Need help re: Santorum

RPforPrez.

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Hiya,
So I've already convinced my mom to support Ron Paul.
She likes all his policies, his economic, military, etc.

My dad on the other, hand, is a bit harder to convince
So far, he's switched from Romney, to Gingrich, and now to Santorum, just because of "conservative" views.
My dad likes Ron Paul's economic and political policies, but despises his foreign policy, saying "Ron Paul will get us all killed etc" <- typical idiotic conservative :P

My dad is also under the impression that Santorum has a better chance against Obama than Paul

Does anyone have some good links or videos that could help me bash Santorum? Whether it be his hypocritical views, or a comparison sheet between santorum and paul

I have a feeling I can convince my dad to be a Paul supporter :)
 
This article: www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/06/what-a-big-government-conservative-looks-like/

He voted 5 times to raise the debt ceiling, opposed right to work, voted to increase spending 51 times, supported congressional pay raises in 2001-03, and supported the largest unfunded Medicare liability in our country’s history to the tune of $16 trillion. He also thinks the ideas of libertarianism that "govt should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low" is not the way conservatives view the world. Seems about a conservative as Mitt Romney.

Voted to double the size of the dept. of education. Voted for federal funding for Planned Parenthood.
 
I used this today on another forum. Here's how "they" "report" to your dad about Santos chances. Share that part with him at least. More junk than you need, but use what you want -I didn't take the time to pick out the pieces for ya. Hope it helps.:)

(some oaf thinking he has to vote Romney and hoodwinked by Gnewts "magic debates" etc. Typical. :(:rolleyes:

The notion that we "have" to do anything (vote for Romney) is defeatist right out of the gate and EXACTLY what establishment requires to maintain power. :(

There's never been a better time to clean house.

Former Special Assistant to U.S. President George H. W. Bush and current Paul Campaign Senior Advisor Doug Wead addresses the mechanics of delegates and "electability" of Ron Paul in this surprisingly thorough MSNBC piece. Warning, it's Maddow, but seeing as Fox refuses(?) to run this story it's all I got.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9x28_I9oIVg

As far as our founding father's principals and the requirement of our Constitution for Congress to declare war being to the left of Dennis Kucinich... it's simply a matter of law and advice given us by our founders. Dennis Kucinich actually agrees with our Constitution on how to declare and fund a war, and he agrees with a humble foreign policy. Kucinich's steadfastness in defending these issues and his view on auditing the Federal Reserve are the only thing I'll defend him for.

Kucinch has said more about auditing the Federal Reserve than Romney ever will, and more than Gingrich and Santorum combined.

These issues are also the issues in which Democrats, Independents/Greens, and Libertarians AGREE with the Republican candidate Ron Paul.

As far as Gingrich and his magical debates go, Gingrich and the MSM are telling us that Gingrich is supposed to be able to somehow convince Democrats, Independents/Greens, Libertarians, AND irate/tireless/stubborn Paul supporters not only to NOT vote for Obama, but also to vote FOR Gingrich along with his history and the baggage from his party... This is a fantasy, as is a Santorum or Romney candidate pulling a win over Obama.

Paul/Liberty supporters have GROWN over the past 5 years, and have not diminished like Romney. McCain didn't get our vote last time and Romney/Gingrich/Santorum sure aren't getting our vote this time.

It's as simple as this: When people rolled over and voted for the "R" offered up things got worse and the Liberty movement didn't grow. When people dug in their heals and refused to submit to establishment GOP candidates the Liberty movement grew.

And a bit about 'polling' and the MSM. These were taken off of RealClearPolitics 2-15-12 (Forbes Media LLC owns a 51% share of RCP). Notice that the RCP "averages" use differing amounts of poll input. Paul gets only an average combined from 6 polls, while Santorum gets 7, Gingrich 9, and Romney 9.

Santorum doing better vs. Obama than Paul!? Only through the manipulation of numbers. :roll: :evil:

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Notice in the RCP "average" used to bolster G/R/S the Pew Research Center poll used for "R" candidate vs. Obama. Santorum, Gingrich, and Romney are given as a choice but Paul is excluded -hardly "research". Goebbels is smiling. :mad:
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All leading to a headline like: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2012/02/15/santorum_surge_forces_romney_to_adjust_273607.html


February 15, 2012 -Santorum Surge Forces Romney to Adjust
Rick Santorum’s surge in national polls[/color] is prompting Mitt Romney to begin talking more explicitly about his own conservative social views, in an attempt to blunt Santorum’s appeal to the Republican base.

Don't believe the "surges" or the "electability" based on polls or "averages" the MSM and establishment constantly feed us.
 
How will RP get us all killed when we aren't meddling with other countries and our defense will be stronger
 
Hiya,
So I've already convinced my mom to support Ron Paul.
She likes all his policies, his economic, military, etc.

My dad on the other, hand, is a bit harder to convince
So far, he's switched from Romney, to Gingrich, and now to Santorum, just because of "conservative" views.
My dad likes Ron Paul's economic and political policies, but despises his foreign policy, saying "Ron Paul will get us all killed etc" <- typical idiotic conservative :P

My dad is also under the impression that Santorum has a better chance against Obama than Paul

Does anyone have some good links or videos that could help me bash Santorum? Whether it be his hypocritical views, or a comparison sheet between santorum and paul

I have a feeling I can convince my dad to be a Paul supporter :)

Show your dad this video.



Then ask him if he agrees with what Santorum says here and if he does then why doesn't he support Ron Paul's foreign policy?
 
Santorum for TARP - Ron Paul was not.

Santorum for No Child Left Behind - Ron Paul was not.

Santorum voted for 51 bills that increased spending in 2 years - Ron Paul is the only candidate with expertise in monetary policy and fiscal responsibility & is the only candidate who has actually detailed a balanced budget for all to see.

Santorum voted to raise his own pay as a Senator 3 consecutive years - Ron Paul has already stated that he would take a salary of around $33,000/year as President which I believe is the average median income of Americans? <confirm that plz

Santorum was for the Bridge to Nowhere - Ron Paul obviously was not.

Santorum was against Right To Work - Ron Paul was not.

Santorum has all but said he thinks the woman's place is in the home - Ron Paul is all about liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Santorum never served in the military yet is anxious to attack Iran - Ron Paul served in the Air Force as a flight surgeon and is for a strong national defense with war only as declared by Congress.

Santorum wants to dictate what you can and cannot do in your own bedroom - Ron Paul is the strongest advocate in the race for personal choice and protection of privacy.

Santorum got rich by influence peddling and lobbying on infamous K Street in the years after he set the record for margin of defeat by an incumbent Senator - Ron Paul doesn't do lobbyist or special interest & his message has been the same for over 30 years.

Santorum was awarded most corrupt Senator in Congress in 2006 - Ron Paul is the very definition of a true statesman and patriot.


....and on and on and on.....
 
Tell your dad if he doesn't like the constitution and what it says in regards to foreign policy, then he can vote for dictator Santorum to invade a country whenever he as king chooses rather than voting on declaration of war in congress.
 
Hiya,
So I've already convinced my mom to support Ron Paul.
She likes all his policies, his economic, military, etc.

My dad on the other, hand, is a bit harder to convince
So far, he's switched from Romney, to Gingrich, and now to Santorum, just because of "conservative" views.
My dad likes Ron Paul's economic and political policies, but despises his foreign policy, saying "Ron Paul will get us all killed etc" <- typical idiotic conservative :P

My dad is also under the impression that Santorum has a better chance against Obama than Paul

Does anyone have some good links or videos that could help me bash Santorum? Whether it be his hypocritical views, or a comparison sheet between santorum and paul

I have a feeling I can convince my dad to be a Paul supporter :)

Easy, show him this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvlUx5ECD2w or this version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8XYF0LLrk&feature=related

Then point out:
1. The US supported for years Mubarak, Ghadaffi (recently) and other arab leaders whose power came to an end. (ALl this happened during both Dem and Republican governments), this created more hatred towards America and those who have taken power include the muslim brotherhood and more extreme groups.

2. When it was no longer politically popular, the US backed the "revolutions"which have left in power more extreme muslims in power. As is happening in Syria, it is a fihgt between and Israel hating leader, and a bigger Israeli hating block fighting against him.

3. The Bush regime ousted a secular Iraqui leader and installed a religious state with closer ties to Iran

4. The USA policy in the middle east is to help 1 of 2 equally terrible blocks and hope for the best. This has gone terrible for us and only causes greater hatred, and off course is a waste of tax payer money. Case in point the Saudis who fund palestinian terrorist while being america's "great"ally in the middle east.

5. On Israel: One of the few congrssmen to support Israel when they bombed Iraq and point out how the US has given out more money to Arab nations than to Israel...
 


just say that he gets more money from the military than anyone else. ask him to explain that...
 
Paul is the only Veteran in the race. Was an Air Force Officer.
Paul gets more donations from troops, they know stuff we don't.
Paul would still spend as much as Bush did in 2005 on National Defense.
Tell him the Cold War is over, yet Santorum would still act like he's fighting it by doing things like 1) defending Germany from the Soviets, 2) Defending Japan from China when Japan is a rich country, 3) Defending South Korea from North Korea when South Korea has an economy 4 times larger.
The former head of the CIA's "bin laden unit" endorses Paul's foreign policy.
We can't afford Santorum's old, cold war foreign policy.
We are technically borrowing from China to fund all these wars.
Paul says, "If there is a threat, the congress should declare war!"
Paul says, "If there is an imminent threat, the President should take care of it quickly and with extreme force." (he uses the Panama canal blockade scenario.
Paul would guard our borders and return national guard units to their states, where they belong.
Paul has the Strongest national defense and would actually pay for it instead of borrowing and going into debt to fight the cold war.
 
My dad likes Ron Paul's economic and political policies, but despises his foreign policy, saying "Ron Paul will get us all killed etc" <- typical idiotic conservative :P

Tell him Santorum starting a nuclear war is what will get us all killed!
 
My dad likes Ron Paul's economic and political policies, but despises his foreign policy, saying "Ron Paul will get us all killed etc"

Get us killed how? Warfare, or Terrorism? If warfare, we're the United States of Fucking America. Our security is not in jeopardy.

If Terrorism, no amount of bombing people in the middle east will stop a suitcase nuke from going off in America. The way* you stop nukes from going off in our country, is to stop nukes from coming into our country, and you do that by SECURING OUR BORDERS. For this, Ron Paul is the man for the job.


(* another way to stop nukes from going off in our country, is to stop being a dick to everyone everywhere across the globe, but the OP's dad probably doesn't want to hear that)
 
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