need a Sen or Cong to repeal the Hughes Amendment so machine guns can be sold

[Pericles]

In 1985, M16A2s cost $1000 and the $200 tax plus paperwork - because that is what they are worth. The .gov pays less than $600 each, and current market price goes from $15K to $18K, so it is clear that 90% of the price is due to regulation of the market.

 

[osan]

I'm tired of seeing my bushmaster not firing fully automatic, and I'm tired of staring at machine guns from the 1980's that cost $10k.

I don't understand how the Hughes Amendment got to Reagans desk in the first place, or why no one has repealed it yet, but I think it is about time we took back our 2nd amendment to fire shit loads of bullets down range at watermelons and 2 liter bottles like god intended.

+rep if you agree

Reagan was just another dick-headed sock puppet. The real question is why did he SIGN it if he was so in love with liberty as he proclaimed. But let me not get started on all this. Here's your rep.

 

[osan]

The repeal works just like the insertion. With any popular legislation, the repeal is paper clipped to the bill, with the understanding that if the legislation is to pass, the repeal must pass as well. It is dirty politics, but if you research the way the Hughes got in in the first place, it is fitting to place the repeal on every bill that there is until it passes.
I really wish I had a senators ear on this one.

I'd recommend Rand Paul, but he appears to be on a statist jag lately, which mystifies me profoundly.

 

[osan]

As well, supressors, muliple other countries consider them personal protective equipment.
Also the NRA was partly responsible for the 1934 NFA act,
that was the point that first taxed a right and violated expost facto, what was legal to own before was a felony.

We've been rather fond of ex post facto law in certain well chosen instances. Who cares what the Constitution says. Just a fucking piece of paper, right?

 

[Dr.3D]

I'd love to have a Thompson.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I'd recommend Rand Paul, but he appears to be on a statist jag lately, which mystifies me profoundly.

He did go down to Knob Creqk and shot, so he's probably ideal for such a repeal.

-t

 

[greenghost1964]

But in the best dissent ever:




The majority's "just say no" response, like that of the Fourth Circuit before it-in effect telling Ardoin that he could have avoided violation of the NFA simply "by not possessing or manufacturing any ... machineguns"-is even more troublesome to me. I keep asking myself "why is it that each time I revisit the majority's response I am reminded of Marie Antoinette's advice to 'let them eat cake'?" Such casual, dismissive responses are just not satisfactory when it comes to engaging in an activity, such as keeping and bearing arms, that arguably implicates the Bill of Rights.
Ultimately, this view will prevail, one way or another.


I truly believe that if everyone's gun rights are not stolen in the next few months w/ the current Commie In Chief, my case (ARDOIN) will be over turned somewhere down the line. Stephen Holbrook wrote a great brief for the US Supreme Court, which they decided NOT to hear, after the 5th Circuit ruled their decision. The NRA had paid Holbrook $5,000 to write it, and they was believein it would not only overturn the FOPA 86, but at the time the Assualt Weapon Ban as well.

 

[Pericles]

But in the best dissent ever:




The majority's "just say no" response, like that of the Fourth Circuit before it-in effect telling Ardoin that he could have avoided violation of the NFA simply "by not possessing or manufacturing any ... machineguns"-is even more troublesome to me. I keep asking myself "why is it that each time I revisit the majority's response I am reminded of Marie Antoinette's advice to 'let them eat cake'?" Such casual, dismissive responses are just not satisfactory when it comes to engaging in an activity, such as keeping and bearing arms, that arguably implicates the Bill of Rights.
Ultimately, this view will prevail, one way or another.


I truly believe that if everyone's gun rights are not stolen in the next few months w/ the current Commie In Chief, my case (ARDOIN) will be over turned somewhere down the line. Stephen Holbrook wrote a great brief for the US Supreme Court, which they decided NOT to hear, after the 5th Circuit ruled their decision. The NRA had paid Holbrook $5,000 to write it, and they was believein it would not only overturn the FOPA 86, but at the time the Assualt Weapon Ban as well.

The courts are afraid to go there. It is impossible to read the 2A, Militia Act of 1792, contemporaneous with the passage of the 2A, and the SCOTUS Miller decision, and not conclude that M16s are the most protected class of arms of the Constitution. The well regulated militia envisioned by the founders, could not exist without the people at large possessing M16s and M4s, the standard infantry weapon of the military class in the United States.

 

[osan]

I'm tired of seeing my bushmaster not firing fully automatic, and I'm tired of staring at machine guns from the 1980's that cost $10k.

I don't understand how the Hughes Amendment got to Reagans desk in the first place, or why no one has repealed it yet, but I think it is about time we took back our 2nd amendment to fire shit loads of bullets down range at watermelons and 2 liter bottles like god intended.

+rep if you agree

Hear hear. I would also add that GCA68 and NFA34 need to go the way of the dodo. There is ZERO authority, constitutionally or more importantly morally to restrict these weapons in any way or degree whatsoever. Such restriction is no hallmark of freedom.

It is time to actively resist. It is time well past, in fact. Give them nothing. Break every law for which you have opportunity. Do so en-masse and defy the tyrants at every turn. To hell with them.

 

[greenghost1964]

Well lets look at my case (ARDOIN).....I was making M-16's for Law Enforcement agencies. Not officers, the dept's themselves. Since FOPA 86 I couldnt file a ATF Form 1. But clearing in the regs prior to FOPA 86 ANYONE on the behave of the US States Gov't or any politicial subvision there of ( (state, local agencies as in police depts/sheriff's offices) could legally make a NFA ( or any other kind) of weapon.........WITHOUT paying the tax I mind you. I was a Class 3 Dealer since Oct 1985, there are several fact wrong on my opinion I may add too. Since I was not a Class II, we filed a ATF Form 10........which actually makes the weapons MORE restricted, waited on approval from BATF......then made the weapons. So a Class 3.........making weapons for Law Enforcement Agencies........paperwork filed/approved. At the time I was a Federal Police Officer for US DOE............held up to a Q Security Clearance to go into Nuke facilities....still holding several police commissions.....and look what happen. Crazy world...........so just remember all that if the shooting starts.........and they come over to YOUR house...........they are NOT there to drink coffee.....

 

[pcosmar]

Well lets look at my case (ARDOIN).....I was making M-16's for Law Enforcement agencies. Not officers, the dept's themselves. Since FOPA 86 I couldnt file a ATF Form 1. But clearing in the regs prior to FOPA 86 ANYONE on the behave of the US States Gov't or any politicial subvision there of ( (state, local agencies as in police depts/sheriff's offices) could legally make a NFA ( or any other kind) of weapon.........WITHOUT paying the tax I mind you. I was a Class 3 Dealer since Oct 1985, there are several fact wrong on my opinion I may add too. Since I was not a Class II, we filed a ATF Form 10........which actually makes the weapons MORE restricted, waited on approval from BATF......then made the weapons. So a Class 3.........making weapons for Law Enforcement Agencies........paperwork filed/approved. At the time I was a Federal Police Officer for US DOE............held up to a Q Security Clearance to go into Nuke facilities....still holding several police commissions.....and look what happen. Crazy world...........so just remember all that if the shooting starts.........and they come over to YOUR house...........they are NOT there to drink coffee.....

Got screwed ?
Welcome to the club.

But the "End Game" I see a bit differently.

3" steel pipe
1lb Blackpowder
Newspaper/rags
Rocks/nails/screws

and I have full auto weapons without all the pesky paperwork.

Do they really want to start that shit in the US?

 

[Dr.3D]

Got screwed ?
Welcome to the club.

But the "End Game" I see a bit differently.

3" steel pipe
1lb Blackpowder
Newspaper/rags
Rocks/nails/screws

and I have full auto weapons without all the pesky paperwork.

Do they really want to start that shit in the US?

Black Powder has been getting harder and harder to get. Now they want you to use Pyrodex and that fouls up the barrel really fast.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm tired of seeing my bushmaster not firing fully automatic, and I'm tired of staring at machine guns from the 1980's that cost $10k.

I don't understand how the Hughes Amendment got to Reagans desk in the first place, or why no one has repealed it yet, but I think it is about time we took back our 2nd amendment to fire shit loads of bullets down range at watermelons and 2 liter bottles like god intended.

+rep if you agree

I agree. I didn't know it was Reagan who signed the machinegun ban. It's high time somebody actually challenge the constitutionality of a machinegun ban anyway. In Miller the government actually argued that the banned gun, a sawed off shot gun, could be banned because it wasn't a military style weapon and thus didn't fall under the militia clause of the first amendment. Yet now they ban military style weapons.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

 

[greenghost1964]

Well most gun nuts know.......when they passed FOPA 86 and stopped collecting their taxes............they lost all authority on NFA type weapons. Dalton in the 10 Circuit upheld that way of thinking for a while. Like in my(ARDOIN) discent, the Judge in my favor even said they need to either delete NFA 34 if they gonna leave FOPA 86 on the books.......but one needs to go......( if not both IMHO).......I mean I was ok w/ NFA 34........it atleast allow you to make weapons, and back in 1980's & 1990's $200 for the tax was no big deal, hell you spend 1/2 that going to the movies w/ a date and eating out now days....... I was selling Colt M-16's (transferable) for $1200 not the $14,000 like today....but our gov't is out of control. And guys, this is ALL fixing to get worst w/ the guns.........all of them. I've been saying since 1987, get what you gonna fight with........cos the fight is coming.......and now I would say..........pretty soon!

 

[Dr.3D]

I agree. I didn't know it was Reagan who signed the machinegun ban. It's high time somebody actually challenge the constitutionality of a machinegun ban anyway. In Miller the government actually argued that the banned gun, a sawed off shot gun, could be banned because it wasn't a military style weapon and thus didn't fall under the militia clause of the first amendment. Yet now they ban military style weapons.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

I seem to remember we had something like a sawed off shot gun when I was in the military, but it had a drum magazine.

 

[The Goat]

just so everyone sees one, XD. works on "bump firing" principles. Turns compatible single fire AR15's into full auto's. They also just started making an AK47 version.

Legal full auto (for now, LOL)

Slide fire select fire gun stocks. http://www.slidefire.com/products/gun-stocks

 

[Pericles]

Those are not automatic weapons, because the trigger is being pulled for each round fired. There just happens to be a mechanical means that pulls the trigger as soon as the weapon is capable of firing. It has a different "feel" to the shooter than a real automatic capable weapon.

 

[The Goat]

They serve the same purpose but just accomplish it in a different way. They both get a lot of targeted ammo down range in short order.

Those are not automatic weapons, because the trigger is being pulled for each round fired. There just happens to be a mechanical means that pulls the trigger as soon as the weapon is capable of firing. It has a different "feel" to the shooter than a real automatic capable weapon.