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Never heard of them referred to in that way. Which system in particular are you referring to?
Navy official: 9/11 Flight 93 was shot down
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Never heard of them referred to in that way. Which system in particular are you referring to?
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So does this theory tie in with Cheney's order that was questioned by a subordinate-the order that Cheney then reaffirmed in a testy manner? Something to the effect that he (Cheney) had not changed the order.
I always had the feeling that if that order and subsequent question and affirmation actually occurred, then the order must have been quite unusual and severe, such as to shoot down a passenger plane or something equally strong.
Maybe that order and question never happened, but was it not part of one of the movies about 9-11?
I always had the feeling that if that order and subsequent question and affirmation actually occurred, then the order must have been quite unusual and severe, such as to shoot down a passenger plane or something equally strong.
Maybe that order and question never happened, but was it not part of one of the movies about 9-11?
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WND Exclusive DAY OF INFAMY 2001
Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane'shot down' in Pennsylvania
WND Exclusive DAY OF INFAMY 2001
Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane
'shot down' in Pennsylvania
During surprise Christmas Eve trip,
defense secretary contradicts official story
Posted: December 27, 2004
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON – Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, there have been questions about Flight 93, the ill-fated plane that crashed in the rural fields of Pennsylvania.
The official story has been that passengers on the United Airlines flight rushed the hijackers in an effort to prevent them from crashing the plane into a strategic target – possibly the U.S. Capitol.
During his surprise Christmas Eve trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld referred to the flight being shot down – long a suspicion because of the danger the flight posed to Washington landmarks and population centers.
Here's what Rumsfeld said Friday: "I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."
Several eyewitnesses to the crash claim they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed – prompting the once-unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane.
Although the onboard struggle between hijackers and passengers – immortalized by the courageous "Let's roll" call to action by Todd Beamer – became one of the enduring memories of that disastrous day, the actual cause of Flight 93's crash, of the four hijacked airliners, remains the most unclear.
Several residents in and around Shanksville, Pa., describing the crash as they saw it, claim to have seen a second plane – an unmarked military-style jet.
Well-founded uncertainty as to just what happened to Flight 93 is nothing new. Just three days after the worst terrorist attack in American history, on Sept. 14, 2001, The (Bergen County, N.J.) Record newspaper reported that five eyewitnesses reported seeing a second plane at the Flight 93 crash site.
That same day, reported the Record, FBI Special Agent William Crowley said investigators could not rule out that a second plane was nearby during the crash. He later said he had misspoken, dismissing rumors that a U.S. military jet had intercepted the plane before it could strike a target in Washington, D.C.
Although government officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, they were informed the flight was suspected of having been hijacked at 9:16 am, fully 50 minutes before the plane came down.
On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.
Vice President Cheney: "Well, the – I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft."
NBC's Tim Russert: "And you decided?"
Cheney: "We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time ...
"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate."
Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?"
Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?
"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York.'"
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112
WND Exclusive DAY OF INFAMY 2001
Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane'shot down' in Pennsylvania
WND Exclusive DAY OF INFAMY 2001
Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane
'shot down' in Pennsylvania
During surprise Christmas Eve trip,
defense secretary contradicts official story
Posted: December 27, 2004
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON – Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, there have been questions about Flight 93, the ill-fated plane that crashed in the rural fields of Pennsylvania.
The official story has been that passengers on the United Airlines flight rushed the hijackers in an effort to prevent them from crashing the plane into a strategic target – possibly the U.S. Capitol.
During his surprise Christmas Eve trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld referred to the flight being shot down – long a suspicion because of the danger the flight posed to Washington landmarks and population centers.
Here's what Rumsfeld said Friday: "I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."
Several eyewitnesses to the crash claim they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed – prompting the once-unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane.
Although the onboard struggle between hijackers and passengers – immortalized by the courageous "Let's roll" call to action by Todd Beamer – became one of the enduring memories of that disastrous day, the actual cause of Flight 93's crash, of the four hijacked airliners, remains the most unclear.
Several residents in and around Shanksville, Pa., describing the crash as they saw it, claim to have seen a second plane – an unmarked military-style jet.
Well-founded uncertainty as to just what happened to Flight 93 is nothing new. Just three days after the worst terrorist attack in American history, on Sept. 14, 2001, The (Bergen County, N.J.) Record newspaper reported that five eyewitnesses reported seeing a second plane at the Flight 93 crash site.
That same day, reported the Record, FBI Special Agent William Crowley said investigators could not rule out that a second plane was nearby during the crash. He later said he had misspoken, dismissing rumors that a U.S. military jet had intercepted the plane before it could strike a target in Washington, D.C.
Although government officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, they were informed the flight was suspected of having been hijacked at 9:16 am, fully 50 minutes before the plane came down.
On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.
Vice President Cheney: "Well, the – I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft."
NBC's Tim Russert: "And you decided?"
Cheney: "We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time ...
"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate."
Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?"
Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?
"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York.'"
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112
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Haha does that section even exist anymore? I remember that shit.. good times on Ron Paul Forums.
Well that was constructuve. Now I definitely believe you're credible. Yeah. You must be some sorta scientist or somethin'. Can I subscribe to your newsletter?
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Flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC7. They had to "pull it" (per Larry Silverstein's famous comment) because the building had already been damaged due to explosions.
What infuriates me is the Pentagon officials won't release video clips of the projectile that hit the Pentagon.
The Pentagon is the nerve center for the entire US military. They have got cameras all around the periphery of the building. They most certainly have got clear video images of the craft that hit the Pentagon.
But all of the 9/11 Truth Movement is a moot point, however. Everyone already knows that there is something seriously wrong with the government's official stories (excuses).
Until we clean up our federal government, kind of like taking shovels and scooping all of the manurer off of the barn floor, we can expect more false flag operations like 9/11, war, federal reserve rip-offs, etc.
I know that many of you don't want to hear this but Christianity, I mean true, honest Christianity - not this phony fake "Judeo-Christianity" that churches teach today - is the solution to our problems. The only solution.
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Flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC7. They had to "pull it" (per Larry Silverstein's famous comment) because the building had already been damaged due to explosions.
What infuriates me is the Pentagon officials won't release video clips of the projectile that hit the Pentagon.
The Pentagon is the nerve center for the entire US military. They have got cameras all around the periphery of the building. They most certainly have got clear video images of the craft that hit the Pentagon.
But all of the 9/11 Truth Movement is a moot point, however. Everyone already knows that there is something seriously wrong with the government's official stories (excuses).
Until we clean up our federal government, kind of like taking shovels and scooping all of the manurer off of the barn floor, we can expect more false flag operations like 9/11, war, federal reserve rip-offs, etc.
I know that many of you don't want to hear this but Christianity, I mean true, honest Christianity - not this phony fake "Judeo-Christianity" that churches teach today - is the solution to our problems. The only solution.
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The SAM's located at the White House and the Pentagon.
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The Capitol dome or the White house strikes me a being more likely targets for flight 93 than WTC 7. Two in NYC, two in DC.
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Flight 93 was shot down because, for whatever reason, it was determined that flight had "gone off the reservation" and could not be trusted to hit it's pre-determined target.
Why is this so hard to figure out people?
And the lies and drama after the fact about the "brave passengers"? Like this is some kind of surprise?
Does nobody recall the stories of Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman?
For pete's sake open your eyes!!
Why is this so hard to figure out people?
And the lies and drama after the fact about the "brave passengers"? Like this is some kind of surprise?
Does nobody recall the stories of Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman?
For pete's sake open your eyes!!
There were four planes total that were hijacked. Two hit WTC 1 and WTC 2. I think that the other two were shot down. I heard that one of them was shot down by a national guard pilot.
The dome could have been a target.
The US military crashed a drone into the ground in Pennsylvania. They crashed another drone or something into the Pentagon.
Like an earlier poster said it looks like they would have admitted shooting the two planes down since it would have make it look like the military was trying to do it's job.
However, they probably didn't want to admit that they killed all of those people on the two planes that they shot down so that's why they did the phony crashes in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon.
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I wasn't aware they had a specific name...just of their existance.
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And Santa Claus will be bringing you presents next Christmas.Absolute ridiculous nonsense. Total BS.That plane crashed at a high rate of speed and hit the ground nearly vertically. There was a fight for control of the airplane controls and the plane descended very quickly.
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The planes that hit the WTC towers cut a perfect sillouette all the way out to the wingtips and the tip of the tail through thick STEEL BEAMS.
The plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon punched a fuselage size hole and the wings, tail, ailerons and motors with their titanium fan stages evaperated and did not appear to even damage the areas they would have hit according to the pictures taken before the roof collapsed in REINFORCED CONCRETE.
There are more security cameras on and around the Pentagon then any other building in the world. They have multiple full motion videos of the crash, so why not just release one that clearly shows this to put all this speculation to rest?
I was in Aircraft maintenance in the Air Force and ANG for over 10 years. When I was stationed in Turkey not to long after 9-11 we had a C-17 that was badly damaged when it landed short of a runway down range. Boeing sent a team of people to repair it and a crash investigator. I got to speak with him about this and unofficially little of this made sense to him either. And many others of us that are familiar with aircraft, aircraft crashes, air interdiction, alert protocol, command and control etc.
You could hardly call me a "truther" but I just want to know what really happened because the official story seems to be just that, a story and it makes little sense.
Here's what I came up with not to long after it went down which did make sense
taking everything into consideration.
Flight 93 was shot down because it was not going to reach it's intended target which was most likely WT7 since it later mysteriously collapsed. It is STILL UNDER OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION BECAUSE IT"S COLLAPSE IS UNEXPAINABLE.
The 3 trade center buildings were supposed to be hit almost simultaneously to highten the "we were attacked this was an act of war effect".
The planes and sections of the WTC's should have been excruciatlingly recunstructed with all available pieces. Who would not want to know exactley what happened and how in the worst attack ever on our own soil? All evidence was quickly disposed of in the face of heavy opposition from many officials in the name of grieving families who a large group of later sued because this was done?
Some impossible statitics:
We were running a similar training excercise the same day simulting the same thing.
The pilot of the Pentagon plane was a retired Col. who used to work at the Pentagon and was in charge of running said exercises previously.
3 steel frame buildings collapsing on the same day from fire/structural damage.
Our standing alert protocall for F-15's (out of Langley) and F-16's would not have allowed an aircraft to hit the Pentagon. period.
I dont know who, what, how, why but I would like to know. What I learned while I was in bothered me enough to get out after 14 years. It should bother you too. There is more but I sure in hell am not going to post it on a message board. Everything I posted above is (almost) common knowledge.
A couple of people on the 9-11 investigation commision board publicly stated the investigation was "steered" and not a "real" investigation and resigned from it out of frutration. What more does someone need than that?
The plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon punched a fuselage size hole and the wings, tail, ailerons and motors with their titanium fan stages evaperated and did not appear to even damage the areas they would have hit according to the pictures taken before the roof collapsed in REINFORCED CONCRETE.
There are more security cameras on and around the Pentagon then any other building in the world. They have multiple full motion videos of the crash, so why not just release one that clearly shows this to put all this speculation to rest?
I was in Aircraft maintenance in the Air Force and ANG for over 10 years. When I was stationed in Turkey not to long after 9-11 we had a C-17 that was badly damaged when it landed short of a runway down range. Boeing sent a team of people to repair it and a crash investigator. I got to speak with him about this and unofficially little of this made sense to him either. And many others of us that are familiar with aircraft, aircraft crashes, air interdiction, alert protocol, command and control etc.
You could hardly call me a "truther" but I just want to know what really happened because the official story seems to be just that, a story and it makes little sense.
Here's what I came up with not to long after it went down which did make sense
taking everything into consideration.
Flight 93 was shot down because it was not going to reach it's intended target which was most likely WT7 since it later mysteriously collapsed. It is STILL UNDER OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION BECAUSE IT"S COLLAPSE IS UNEXPAINABLE.
The 3 trade center buildings were supposed to be hit almost simultaneously to highten the "we were attacked this was an act of war effect".
The planes and sections of the WTC's should have been excruciatlingly recunstructed with all available pieces. Who would not want to know exactley what happened and how in the worst attack ever on our own soil? All evidence was quickly disposed of in the face of heavy opposition from many officials in the name of grieving families who a large group of later sued because this was done?
Some impossible statitics:
We were running a similar training excercise the same day simulting the same thing.
The pilot of the Pentagon plane was a retired Col. who used to work at the Pentagon and was in charge of running said exercises previously.
3 steel frame buildings collapsing on the same day from fire/structural damage.
Our standing alert protocall for F-15's (out of Langley) and F-16's would not have allowed an aircraft to hit the Pentagon. period.
I dont know who, what, how, why but I would like to know. What I learned while I was in bothered me enough to get out after 14 years. It should bother you too. There is more but I sure in hell am not going to post it on a message board. Everything I posted above is (almost) common knowledge.
A couple of people on the 9-11 investigation commision board publicly stated the investigation was "steered" and not a "real" investigation and resigned from it out of frutration. What more does someone need than that?
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