NATO Raid Kills Qaddafi's Son, Khamis and 32 Others In Zliten Libyan Rebels Say

Funny how the disinfo about Saif al-Islam was put out yet again. What are we supposed to make about these latest stories where he's supposedly thinking about turning himself into the ICC? True? Or is it just more propaganda to try to break the back of the Gaddafi loyalists by demoralization?
 
Funny how the disinfo about Saif al-Islam was put out yet again. What are we supposed to make about these latest stories where he's supposedly thinking about turning himself into the ICC? True? Or is it just more propaganda to try to break the back of the Gaddafi loyalists by demoralization?

It is all untrue. Saif will NEVER surrender. He was last week, appointed and duly elected by the People's Committee of the Jamariya and the Tribal Counsels, "Commander of the Green Resistance". It is obvious that The ICC would never give Saif a fair trial; and why should he have to submit to a LIE and illigitmate government in the first place? He said, before any agreement, he needed to see the smile back on his mother's face.
 


ALGERIA ISP / Selon Seven Days News, dans une lettre qui est la première depuis (le massacre de sang et de destruction) commis par l’otan et les rebelles (Syrte égorgée) et (Bani Walid blessée), et après des rapports contradictoires sur son sort, Saif al-Islam Kadhafi, dans une lettre à Seven Days News, a décidé de communiquer publiquement pour effectuer son devoir envers sa famille, et aux fidèles du peuple libyen. ALGERIA ISP / Seven Days In News, in a letter which is the first since (the massacre of blood and destruction) committed by NATO and the rebels (Sirte slaughtered) and (Bani Walid injured), and after conflicting reports on his fate, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, in a letter to Seven Days News, decided to publicly communicate to perform his duty to his family, and faithful of the Libyan people.

Saif al-Islam a dit: J
e rassure ma famille, ma mère et mes frères, je vais bien, et je suis toujours le même que vous m’aviez connu. Saif al-Islam said, ‘I reassured my family, my mother and my brothers, I’m fine, and I’m still the same as you had known. Je ne peut pas trahir la volonté de mon père vivant, comment trahir sa volonté et son sang mort. I can not betray the will of my father alive, how will betray his death and blood.

Il a ajouté : Les fidèles du peuple libyen, je leur dis, si nous voulons reculer, nous pouvions le faire, avant qu’on paye tout ce prix, mais maintenant nous avons passé depuis longtemps la ligne sans retour. He added: The faithful of the Libyan people, I say, if we fall, we could do it before you pay all that money, but now we have long since passed the line of no return. Nous l’avons dépassé par le sang qui a coulé et la tentative de mépriser des grands hommes qui ne savent s’agenouiller qu’à Dieu seulement. We passed through the blood that flowed and the attempt to despise the great men who can kneel to God only.

Il a ajouté: Je suis en ce moment historique et j’essaye d’éclaircir les choses, parce que certaines personnes croient que tout est terminé, alors que tout a commencé aujourd’hui. He added: I am at this historic moment and I try to clear things up, because some people believe everything is finished, then it all started today. J’étais toujours un croyant de la défense de la Libye, et la vengeance des traîtres et des criminels qui ont démontré leur vrais visages au monde entier, et même si je n’étais pas un croyant de la défense de la Libye, ce qui est arrivé me pousse à retourner leur journée en nuit et leur vie en enfer, et semer la mort autour d’eux, où qu’ils soient. I was always a believer in the defense of Libya, and the vengeance of traitors and criminals who have shown their true faces to the world, and even if I was not a believer in the defense of Libya, which I came back to shoot their day and night life in hell, and sow death around them, wherever they are.
Saif al-Islam said: “I will not accept condolences for my father or my brothers, until the completion of my job and my duty, even after fifty years.”

Saif al-Islam a dit : «Je demande à tous les croyants de mon affaire, qui partagent mon amour de la Libye honnête, ils sont nombreux, qui partagent avec moi la douleur de perdre un être cher, ils sont nombreux, qui partagent avec moi la douleur, la vengeance et le devoir de résistance, je les invite à ne pas récupérer la couronne perdue, mais pour récupérer la Libye perdue, pour récupérer l’honneur perdu. Saif al-Islam said: “I call on all believers of my business, who share my love of Libya honest, there are many who share with me the pain of losing a loved one, there are many, who share my pain, revenge and duty of resistance, I invite them to not get lost the crown, but to recover lost Libya, to recover the lost honor. “ ”

Saif al-Kadhafi a dit: les rebelles ont mis le feu et il faudra qu’ils supportent l’incendie, ils ont versé le sang, il y aura alors un fleuve de sang, nous les pardonnerons jamais, même si l’otan ne se retire pas de la Libye, il ne pourra jamais les protéger dans leurs maisons, leurs voitures et à leurs fêtes et dans leurs lieux de travail. Saif al-Gaddafi said the rebels set fire and they will have to bear the fire, they have shed the blood, then there will be a river of blood, we will never forgive, even if NATO not withdraw from Libya, it can never protect them in their homes, their cars and their parties and in their workplaces.

Saif al-Kadhafi a conclut en disant: Mouammar Kadhafi puisse dieu avoir pitié de lui nous a interdit de les brûler et nous pouvions faire cela, et il nous a interdit de bruler les puits de pétrole et j’ai même suggéré avant la chute de Tripoli de faire sauter l’aéroport mais il a refusé, mais aujourd’hui, qui les protège de nous? Saif al-Gaddafi has concluded: Muammar Gaddafi May God have mercy on him forbade us to burn and we could do that, and it was forbidden to burn the oil wells and I even suggested before the fall of Tripoli to blow up the airport but he refused, but now that protects us? Je vais les bruler jusqu’à ce que le sourire revient aux lèvres de ma mère El Hadja Safia et que ma soeur Aîcha se réjouisse et fera des youyous et jusqu’à ce que la joie revient à chaque coeur plein de douleur en Libye. I will burn until the smile returns to the lips of my mother Safia El Hadja and my sister Aisha will rejoice and ululations and joy until the heart is for each lot of pain in Libya.

Les rebelles ne sont pas courageux et ils ne seront jamais et les martyr Moatassem Kadhafi les a montré ce qu’ils valent et brigades de Moatassem vont leurs montrer plus. The rebels are not brave and they will never be a martyr and Moatassem Gaddafi has shown their worth and their brigades Moatassem will be more.

Je suis le fils de mon père. I am the son of my father. Le frère de Moatassem et je suis le fils de la Libye. The brother of Moatassem and I am the son of Libya. Je suis l’un des milliers de personnes qui ont hérité de la blessure et de la vengeance, et nous n’allons pas respecté le sang des martyrs de la Libye, si nous ne poursuivons pas leurs assassins partout, jusqu’à ce que la terre se rétrécisse autour d’eux. I am one of thousands who have inherited the injury and revenge, and we will not respect the blood of the martyrs of Libya, if we do not pursue their assassins everywhere, until the land shrinks around them.
 
Saif-Al-Islam al-Qaddafi, son of Mu’ammar Al-Qaddafi, said in a call to Syrian TV station “Al-Rai” that the resistance continues to ‘full conclusion’ for the mass killings of an estimated 90,000 Libyans during 8 months of occupation attempts, invasion and non-stop bombing by the European and North American military forces (NATO) as well as Qatar and some other Arab states.
“We continue our resistance. I am in Libya, I am alive, free and intend to go to the very end and exact revenge,” Saif-Al-Islam said Saturday night on the Syrian channel, as reported in Russian media but ignored by other world media which are complicit in war crimes.
DENNIS SOUTH writes:
” But I’m not talking about a blood revenge….And the way to gain your revenge for the blood of your martyrs, and for the blood of anyone else in Libya who was wrongly killed, is to remain ONE nation that refuses to be divided by Tribe. Your sweet revenge will be–and this will be very, very difficult–to avoid unnecessary bloodshed, and to kill only on the battlefield…Your sweet revenge will be… once you have achieved victory, [that] you will bring to life the plans that The Leader had developed….
….creating Africa’s own currency, “The Afro,” backed by Libyan gold; and by creating the “AMF’ (African Monetary Fund), so that all of Africa can borrow from an African bank, at no interest.Your sweet revenge should be that you turn your back on the Northern countries, as it relates to joining their banking systems. Your sweet revenge will be that you sell your oil, at the price that YOU determine that it shall be sold for.
Your sweet revenge is that you avoid becoming part of their international banking systems, which have absolutely ruined the economies of the northern tribes.
Your sweet revenge is that you will never join your militaries with NATO. Your sweet revenge will be that you will never join that Mediterranian alliance, or Africom.
And, believe me when I tell you that your sweetestrevenge against the Northern tribes of Europe and America, will be when you make it crystal clear to them that you are going to bring to life The Leader’s dream of a united African continent, by first uniting North Africa.
There is nothing, as you very well know, that would please The Leader more than to bring to life his dream of a united Africa (despite the AU’s weak, and even absent, support for The Leader). And there is nothing that will punish the Northern tribes of Europe and America more than the unification of the African continent, something that one of their scholars, Dr. Lothrop Stoddard, greatly feared, as far back as the 1920s.
After the war has been won tactically and militarily, it is then that culprits can be brought to trial to be judged, and sentenced, for their crimes. That is the order, in my opinion, of how things should flow from here on out….”
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Funny how the disinfo about Saif al-Islam was put out yet again. What are we supposed to make about these latest stories where he's supposedly thinking about turning himself into the ICC? True? Or is it just more propaganda to try to break the back of the Gaddafi loyalists by demoralization?
Man if you really want to read propaganda... just read the BBC news on Libya... talk about, bias, lies and manipulating the public. Oh, VOA the same.
 
Saif-al-Islam al-Gadahafi,
of which Bodhibrian Souter writes:
In his second letter, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi: We do not give up … and we will continue Stzmonna much.
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Seven Days News / After the proliferation of rumors and news of a possible surrender himself to the Criminal Court, a lie Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, in a letter to the agency Seven Days rumors about the possibility of having had to surrender.

Saif al-Islam: Some people believe that we signed in families, which means that it will hand over to the criminal with the claim that we handed over ourselves, and this analysis is wrong in the sense that the brother Abdullah Sanusi is outside of Libya, with the assumption Quaa in families, how can that be recognizing we Monday and reported the news?

Saif al-Islam said that he could not betray his father, who did not give up or betray Omar Mukhtar, who was repeating: “We do not give up .. win or die.”

Saif said that the media war to destroy the morale of the very honorable Libyans and sow doubt among them, and that it requires the patience of two months beyond fear campaign.

He added the size of what happened in Libya, of betrayals and lunges and shocks to make people believe any news, but I say to all who loved Muammar Gaddafi and still loyal to him are the millions between the stalker and repressed the name of democracy, I say they should trust in Kiedatkm, and what they were doing with the martyr Muammar Gaddafi and the rest of honest and clean leaders are doing with us today, it is once said Gaddafi Gaddafi escaped and once to negotiate the surrender, and today the game itself is not open every time you need to lie.

He said: I have refused to Libya tomorrow based on the unity and love, and Khanon and wanted to Libya tomorrow and the sacrifices that come chasing customers, and we will be ready.

He concluded, Saif al-Islam his message by saying to his supporters from the Libyans: When you said Muammar Gaddafi continued to resist even if you do not hear my voice, it had made the decision to stand firm in the Sirte championship and meet will be unable to connect, but I tell you we will stick together and Stzmonna much, God willing, we will continue What started Alkhtar Omar and Muammar Gaddafi mercy of God that the right should not depend on the face of falsehood … your fine, Libya tomorrow for us and God is great.

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The atrocities finally have been properly exposed…and we know now the truth about al-Qaeda. Gadhafi was right from the start . He spoke the truth; the cold-hearted West would not listen, out of greed and opportunity.
 
The lies of the TNC-NATO continues in panic
by Ismail
Posted: 2011/11/02
From: Mathaba http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629217?rss http://mathaba.net/news/?x=629239
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When the world’s people really understand that it is high time to stop listening to the media and policy makers of war, they may be able to work more effectively to checkmate all the European and American dictators.



Information warfare always accompanies combat. It has not only not diminished, but has intensified with even more force against the awareness of unprecedented proportions of international public opinion that realizes how much it is manipulated by the white-collar criminals who represent the political and economic Western world.

Recently NATO media falsely claimed to have captured the Libyan leader, Muammar Al-Gaddafi, resulting in a panic at the international level. Thousands of articles and news items flew around the world to announce the disinformation of “the death of Qaddafi.” Thousands of bloggers immediately did their research only to discover that ultimately the special services of NATO countries have captured a spitting image of Muammar Al-Qaddafi to hand him over for punishment to their criminal mercenaries. It turned out to be, again, a new psychological manipulation operation: NATO has sacrificed the life of another innocent, just to fool the world again.

Once the hoax was discovered, the media propaganda war immediately responded by announcing in their media that Gaddafi’s son, Seif al-Islam, said he “was going to avenge the death of his father” saying, “We will continue our resistance. I am in Libya, living free and ready to go all the way to obtain vengeance.” This statement was published by the television channel “Al Rai”, an honest agency, based in Syria, broadcast by satellite and the Internet in Arabic. But when Seif Al Islam spoke of vengeance, he spoke of revenge against the criminal aggression against his country and his people; however the media has distorted the meaning of his words to spread the idea that he spoke of the death of his father.

Thus, some people still doubted that the Leader is still alive, and that the resistance continues today in defending his country from colonial crusader aggression, and were maintained in the idea that the Leader really was killed, which is undoubtedly a lie.

Following this statement of Saif Al-Islam, the rebels’ offensive disinformation and their European sponsors did not hesitate. In response to this threatening statement by a major supporter of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, the CNT, trembling with fear, broadcast in panic two simultaneous messages: First, they claimed a so-called “leak” that Seif al-Islam was abroad in a country in Africa that has no relationship with the International Criminal Court, “to escape justice”. And the second release, a presentation to the contrary in a message saying that the same” Seif al-Islam is in talks with the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague about his possible appearance, and would be ready to prove his innocence.”

This fantasy was also associated with a message saying “the colonel’s son turns out to be at the same time, en route to Niger secretly in the desert, accompanied by Tuareg tribes.” Of course, Seif Al-Islam himself denied these lies, but as a Russian observer noted, “it is clear that to conduct negotiations with the tribunal in The Hague and at the same time be moving in the desert is a bit difficult … ”

One would think that ‘news’ from the NTC is simply not consistent with the “information” of their European headquarters, for the simple reason that NATO did not properly coordinate its propaganda actions with the rebels, and so that entails all sorts of contradictions in the messages circulating now. But in reality it is evidence that NATO strategists deliberately publish these contradictions in order to sow more confusion in the minds of the public to occupy and disorient their thinking.

Indeed, while the less credulous are busy wanting to dissect one by one the lies of NATO, they do not have enough time to devote to the basics and cataloguing all the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by members of this terrorist organization, and thus they can quietly continue their program of violent oppression against the free world, under the nose and beard of international popular resistance.

When the world’s people will really understand that it is high time to stop listening to the media and policy makers of war, they may be able to work more effectively to checkmate all the European and American dictators, who accuse the leaders of oppressed countries of what they themselves have always been.

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Article by news.stcom.net , edited by Mathaba.
 
New Yorker Article: Nov 7th, 2011 LONG... 11 Pages
Letter from Libya
King of Kings

by Jon Lee Anderson



http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/11/07/111107fa_fact_anderson


...In the mid-seventies, Libya and Chad began a long-running conflict over a uranium-rich piece of borderland called the Aouzou Strip. In 1987, Qaddafi’s forces were finally outgunned by local soldiers backed by France and the U.S. He lost seventy-five hundred men—a tenth of the total force—and a billion and a half dollars of military equipment. Ashour Gargoum, the former Libyan diplomat, told me that the Chad episode was “a disaster for Qaddafi.” Having set out with ambitions of regional unification, he had shown himself unable to manage even his weaker neighbors. Afterward, Gargoum said, he grew “paranoid and detached from reality.”
 
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Millions Supporting Al Gaddafi
The text of Muammar al-Gathafi's letter to his people
28 OCTOBER 2011
letter aired on Al-Jamahirya TV:


Al Jamahiriya TV NEWS
“NATO lost the war! LIBYA, on duty!”

Tens of thousands on 05.11.2011 at the expense of their children in sacrifice to the enemy neck who continue to fight the noble people of Libya and wherever they are in the world, the hearts of true patriots multiplier for the people of Libya to greet all their fire!

What did I say last you? “An income also can not hear my voice again, if you don’t I did not say? “Until, that is sparkling, dazzling beauty of the Great Victory Born and raised until it matches the horizon, knowing stop! Not be seized with panic again!” I did not say? “Leaving aside the struggle and cry, you take from place to place,” he wanted something from you? Listen to the conversation in the open, “the NATO colonial media, their article looking hurafelerine Do not be fooled,” he told her several times. Al-Jazeera, Al Arabiya, BBC, CNN, FOX .too many, all Belial’s whistle. Their job, fake images, news invented superstition, eyes, ears mind spray, from there, capturing the heart, separate from the right way so the small blind and a determination to resist souls out of the water, jell.

The enemy, on which I installed in Libya, direct, genuine democracy, forget it, revel in the deceit of their form of democracy; richness sit down and watch the blind eyes, “came to save us! The West, democracy, and brought gifts! Both NATO is now transformed into the Organization of the Islamic Freedom and Independence to say“ which, supposedly Muslim appearance, such as contractors in jet-black demon, and the darkness he invent these lies prostrate. I told them, you know.E, is well now some of you did this? Some of the weak! The energies of the channels is going wrong. Hand sitting, in front of Al-Arabiya, “was for Gaddafi, was caught here,” blah blah, whatever. Do not hang around with them, Then your arm, your finger, remove the green flag will not cure a jot.

Those captured, NATO corrupters, soldiers for hire, playing time, the nation’s wealth outlaw thieves caught. We will catch them in those patriots, real Libyans, people of Libya. NATO lost the war. Washington DC, London, Paris regimes, attached to their countries after them, the UN and Human Rights Watch-governmental organizations, such as lost miserably. Yesterday, “brother,” blood stool if they attacked Libya in God, robbing those who think the future of thieves willing to lose. Tripoli genetic traitors shame the council, NATO’s Islamist ingrates and shame the countries of NATO puppet councils also lost. “As we did in Iraq, ‘first sub-structure of the bombardment of Libya, cities, hunger and siege Libyans rented. Then a few trucks, pasta, sugar, soft cloth to go,’ is not a Muslim neighbor lies hungry fed, the Muslim brothers and sisters came to help! ‘ saying, sub-structure construction capers. Thus pockets big time when filling out a hand, Libya, on the other hand will win plenty of reward, will ensure a paradise! “All of the account, but all are traitors who called genetic the crimes they committed against, all in one day, they tried, Green Square, Baghdad, Damascus, Istanbul, Adana, Izmir will draw penalties.

“He was murdered, lynched has had several times caught in 42 years, even I him where he dies seen a hyena? Who witnessed the eagle is a scavenger catch up? If as they say, no did you? Full or would you hear me now? Ninety-five percent of Tripoli, under the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia squares coming down at the same time, Libya, flag, green flag firmly on the rise and I, on the streets of Tripoli, Libya a combination of open-top the hell alone among the people of El Cezire, Al-Arabiya, BBC, CNN, across from the darkness! Let each other, “Do you see it doing Lidere as” very upsetting to write letters! Leader, right up to him and no hyena dokunamayacagi distance of the reach of the war commanded a carrion Kargasinin etmekte chimed in your heart because I am Libyan Revolutionary Leader Muammar al-Gaddafi !

October 28, 2011 -
AY Agency"
 
Latest Libyan News
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Gaddafi son Saif al-Islam arrested - Arabiya Television, citing Libyan sources

1 hour ago

Gaddafi's son 'captured in Libya'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15804299

Colonel Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam has been captured, officials from Libya's interim government have said.
He was arrested near the town of Obari in the south of the country, the officials said.
The former leader's son is the last key member of the Gaddafi family to be captured or killed.
Saif al-Islam, 39, is wanted by the International Criminal Court for alleged crimes against humanity during the uprising against his father.
The National Transitional Council's (NTC) justice minister Mohammed al-Allagui said Saif al-Islam had been detained along with a number of bodyguards, Reuters news agency reported.
Officials said Saif al-Islam was being taken to Zintan in the north of the country.
Gaddafi's son was in good health, the justice minister is reported to have said.
A commander of the Zintan brigades, allied to the NTC, told a news conference that Saif al-Islam was captured as aides were trying to smuggle him out to neighbouring Niger, the Associated Press news agency reported.
Continue reading the main story [h=2]Saif al-Islam: ICC charges[/h]
  • Indirect co-perpetrator of murder and persecution as crimes against humanity
  • Between 15 February and 28 February, Gaddafi security forces carried out systematic attacks against civilians
  • Saif al-Islam "assumed essential tasks" to make sure plan work


Saif al-Islam had been on the run since NTC forces took the capital, Tripoli, in August.
Colonel Gaddafi himself was killed on October 20 after being captured during the final battle for his hometown, Sirte.
The interim government in Libya has launched an inquiry into how he died.
Celebrations The BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says Saif al-Islam's capture is is a very significant moment for Libyans.
They came to see Saif al-Islam as the heir apparent, as a younger version of his father due to his rhetoric during the uprising, she says.
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However, at one time he was considered one of the more liberal of Col Gaddafi's sons and was courted in the West.
Celebrations erupted on the streets of Tripoli shortly after the news of his arrest emerged.
Our correspondent heard people hooting car horns, waving flags and firing guns into the air.
Saif al-Islam has been reported captured before. In August, rebel forces announced his arrest as they took control of Tripoli - only for him to appear in front of cameras to disprove it.

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Latest Libyan News

Gaddafi's son 'captured in Libya'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15804299

Colonel Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam has been captured, officials from Libya's interim government have said.
He was arrested near the town of Obari in the south of the country, the officials said.
The former leader's son is the last key member of the Gaddafi family to be captured or killed.
Saif al-Islam, 39, is wanted by the International Criminal Court for alleged crimes against humanity during the uprising against his father.
The National Transitional Council's (NTC) justice minister Mohammed al-Allagui said Saif al-Islam had been detained along with a number of bodyguards, Reuters news agency reported.
Officials said Saif al-Islam was being taken to Zintan in the north of the country.
Gaddafi's son was in good health, the justice minister is reported to have said.
A commander of the Zintan brigades, allied to the NTC, told a news conference that Saif al-Islam was captured as aides were trying to smuggle him out to neighbouring Niger, the Associated Press news agency reported.
Continue reading the main story [h=2]Saif al-Islam: ICC charges[/h]
  • Indirect co-perpetrator of murder and persecution as crimes against humanity
  • Between 15 February and 28 February, Gaddafi security forces carried out systematic attacks against civilians
  • Saif al-Islam "assumed essential tasks" to make sure plan work


Saif al-Islam had been on the run since NTC forces took the capital, Tripoli, in August.
Colonel Gaddafi himself was killed on October 20 after being captured during the final battle for his hometown, Sirte.
The interim government in Libya has launched an inquiry into how he died.
Celebrations The BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says Saif al-Islam's capture is is a very significant moment for Libyans.
They came to see Saif al-Islam as the heir apparent, as a younger version of his father due to his rhetoric during the uprising, she says.
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However, at one time he was considered one of the more liberal of Col Gaddafi's sons and was courted in the West.
Celebrations erupted on the streets of Tripoli shortly after the news of his arrest emerged.
Our correspondent heard people hooting car horns, waving flags and firing guns into the air.
Saif al-Islam has been reported captured before. In August, rebel forces announced his arrest as they took control of Tripoli - only for him to appear in front of cameras to disprove it.

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Funny how they can NEVER get a clear recognizable photo of a captive when said person is a really important captive. Very strange, and it makes one wonder if they are _trying_ to cast doubt on the authenticity of this "capture". For myself, this photo leads me to strongly doubt that Saif al Islam has really been captured.
(It would not be the First time the press has blatantly lied, for pure propaganda purposes).
 
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Funny how they can NEVER get a clear recognizable photo of a captive when said person is a really important captive. Very strange, and it makes one wonder if they are _trying_ to cast doubt on the authenticity of this "capture". For myself, this photo leads me to strongly doubt that Saif al Islam has really been captured.
(It would not be the First time the press has blatantly lied, for pure propaganda purposes).
Video of Saif al islam Qadhafi first captured.

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Mathaba is publishing this open letter from a reader, in view that would Saif-al-Islam be captured, its advice and premises are worthy of serious consideration, not as any endorsement of the alleged status of Saif-al-Islam al-Qaddafi:*

http://mathaba.net/news/?x=629522
By Eugene Shannon
http://pub.mathaba.net/author/eugene-shannon/

A prudent option must be put forward, one that protects the rights of Saif al-Islam, continues to uphold Zintan tribal responsibilities and its Code of Honor, and which, at the same time, attempts to bring forward both truth and justice for Saif and the Libyan people.

Reports surfaced that Saif al-Islam was apprehended through British tracking of phone messages, but fortunately, at the time he was in the area of the Zintan tribe, and between the Khadafi and Zintan tribes there is a 200 year old Tribal Code of Honor not to harm each others Prisoners of War – something the British were not aware of.

Two things are both obvious and significant here:

1) Saif is being treated in a humane manner by the Zintans, a fact noticeable from the videos released of Saif openly and freely talking with his captors. He told them that the time will soon come when they will regret their betrayal of the Jamahiriya, and the political consequences were openly discussed. We can assume that he is presently in good hands.

2) The decadent Anglo-American, French and their decrepit Middle East monarchs, along with their Zionist bedfellows, all would prefer him dead, which they had expected if not the Zintans to do, then Saif’s handover to the barbarous, NATO sponsored rulers now overseeing the once thriving, sovereign and developing nation of Libya, would most certainly then result in a Saddam Hussein style, “legal” lynching, at best.

So a prudent option must be put forward, one that protects the rights of Saif al-Islam, continues to uphold Zintan tribal responsibilities and its Code of Honor, and which at the same time attempts to bring forward both truth and justice for Saif and the Libyan people. At the same time, it should all the while demand full and complete adherence to International Law. The following recommendations are not put forward lightly. The ICC have shown themselves to be part of the New World Order nexus, and part of the conspiracy against the sovereignty of nations, and also an institution that acts contrary to the liberties of free people everywhere – especially Africa, but we still know it is certain that the UN, NATO, the Western powers and their allies would prefer the options outlined above; that Saif would be assassinated like his Martyred father Muammar and brave brother Mutassim, or “legally” lynched by the present Libyan peons installed through imperial perfidy.

Thus I propose, that under the terms and conditions of The Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War (The Convention) the Zintan Elders themselves have the option of declaring who to hand him to for safety and protection, and eventually a trial, because he is their legally designated “Prisoner of War” under The Convention. The Zintan Tribe, if they choose to abide by The Convention, while at the same time upholding their Tribal Code of Honor, have the option under The Convention to hand him to a third party – a “neutral Power” who should be a signatorial member to The Convention – such as Russia, Malaysia or Venezuela, for instance. This transfer is expressly allowed under multiple circumstances and Articles of The Convention, including but not limited to :

Article 6:

In addition to the agreements expressly provided for in Articles 10, 23, 28, 33, 60, 65, 66, 67, 72, 73, 75, 109, 110, 118, 119, 122 and 132, the High Contracting Parties may conclude other special agreements for all matters concerning which they may deem it suitable to make separate provision. No special agreement shall adversely affect the situation of prisoners of war, as defined by the present Convention, nor restrict the rights which it confers upon them.

Prisoners of war shall continue to have the benefit of such agreements as long as the Convention is applicable to them, except where express provisions to the contrary are contained in the aforesaid or in subsequent agreements, or where more favourable measures have been taken with regard to them by one or other of the Parties to the conflict.

And Article 10:

“The High Contracting Parties may at any time agree to entrust to an organization which offers all guarantees of impartiality and efficacy the duties incumbent on the Protecting Powers by virtue of the present Convention.

When prisoners of war do not benefit or cease to benefit, no matter for what reason, by the activities of a Protecting Power or of an organization provided for in the first paragraph above, the Detaining Power shall request a neutral State, or such an organization, to undertake the functions performed under the present Convention by a Protecting Power designated by the Parties to a conflict.

If protection cannot be arranged accordingly, the Detaining Power shall request or shall accept, subject to the provisions of this Article, the offer of the services of a humanitarian organization, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross to assume the humanitarian functions performed by Protecting Powers under the present Convention.

Any neutral Power or any organization invited by the Power concerned or offering itself for these purposes, shall be required to act with a sense of responsibility towards the Party to the conflict on which persons protected by the present Convention depend, and shall be required to furnish sufficient assurances that it is in a position to undertake the appropriate functions and to discharge them impartially.

No derogation from the preceding provisions shall be made by special agreements between Powers one of which is restricted, even temporarily, in its freedom to negotiate with the other Power or its allies by reason of military events, more particularly where the whole, or a substantial part, of the territory of the said Power is occupied.

Whenever in the present Convention mention is made of a Protecting Power, such mention applies to substitute organizations in the sense of the present Article.”

Therefore, handover of a declared POW for purposes of his health, safety and potentially a trial, would be executed under the conditions that a “neutral Power” assures his health, safety, and also guarantees Saif a fair trial before the ICC, if Saif mutually agrees with the Zintan to have the case against him heard before them or other such Judicial Body. Under Article 10 of The Convention, the “neutral Power” has the authority to thenceforth act under the same mandates as a “Protective Power”, with all the rights and responsibilities inherent therein.

Saif’s transfer to a “neutral Power” bestows tremendous authority to them, but should never supersede the Zintans rights and responsibilities. Nor would such a transfer relieve the Zintan of their continuing responsibilities under The Convention”.

As per Article 12:

“Prisoners of war are in the hands of the enemy Power, but not of the individuals or military units who have captured them. Irrespective of the individual responsibilities that may exist, the Detaining Power is responsible for the treatment given them.

Prisoners of war may only be transferred by the Detaining Power to a Power which is a party to the Convention and after the Detaining Power has satisfied itself of the willingness and ability of such transferee Power to apply the Convention. When prisoners of war are transferred under such circumstances, responsibility for the application of the Convention rests on the Power accepting them while they are in its custody.

Nevertheless, if that Power fails to carry out the provisions of the Convention in any important respect, the Power by whom the prisoners of war were transferred shall, upon being notified by the Protecting Power, take effective measures to correct the situation or shall request the return of the prisoners of war. Such requests must be complied with.”

Therefore, if at anytime subsequent to the transfer of Saif, the trial is determined to be unfair, both the “neutral Power” under The Convention, and the Zintan, by virtue of both their Tribal Code and The Convention, maintain the right to declare whether or not the trial is fair and impartial under internationally accepted norms of jurisprudence. For if at anytime they determine it is not, they possess the right – indeed, the responsibility – to demand custody and jurisdiction over Saif. Under Article 12 of The Convention “such demands must be complied with”. That’s International Law under The Convention. It is critical however that the “neutral Power” to whom Saif is transferred as a POW, who thenceforth acts under the provisions of a “Protective Power,” as well as the Zintan Tribe, the original “Detaining Power”, should unequivocally demand adherence to all conditions set forth in The Convention, especially maintaining the right for his return as plainly enunciated in Article 12.

Although the Red Cross often act as a “Protective Power”, there is no mandate that this be the case, and in Saif’s instance, certainly not recommended due to its funding from, and alliance with, Western governments. The same would hold for the Red Crescent. With that in mind, and operating under the belief, that if the trial were to be executed in a fair and just manner under principles and standards once accepted and understood as upholding International Law, Saif would be found innocent and the cultist miscreants who unleashed this unjust crusade against the Libyan and African people would themselves be exposed for their guilt involving Crimes Against the Peace, and Crimes against Humanity as International Law is codified under the Nuremburg Standard. But that is another matter that must be allowed to be raised as a defense during trial, for these are the charges effectively brought against Saif and the leadership of the Free Arab Jamahiriya. The purpose here is Saif’s immediate health and safety, then a process leading to an open and fair hearing before the ICC so that the world may be informed of the multitude of lies carried out by various institutions and forces of these now wholly corrupted world bodies, specifically the ICC, the UN, NATO and the Arab League.

Further, there is absolutely no requirement Saif, a POW under International Law, must be held in confinement or internment by agents of the ICC, NATO, or the UN, for during the entire process that duty can and must be undertaken by the “neutral Power”. So effectively, Saif would be held under the care and custody of the “neutral Power” during the entire process. This protection would thereby mitigate against the potential of a sudden illness befalling Saif if he were to be placed under the care of the above named, antagonistic institutions and political forces. This could avoid a repeat of what can be referred to as the “Milosevic malady”. The only requirement in this regards would be for Saif to agree to adhere to any reasonable conditions set forth by the Zintan, as well as those mandated under The Convention for a POW so transferred. For example, Saif would be denied discussions with Libyans or others who may still be involved with the conflict in any matters not directly pertaining to his defense.

The Zintan already refuse to hand Saif over to the monsters of Tripoli knowing their lack of constitutional authority, their lack of protections afforded POW’s throughout the conflict, and especially the treatment afforded both Muammar and Mutassim Khadafi, which combined stands as prima facie evidence of their inability to safeguard Saif’s rights under The Convention – never mind hold a fair and impartial trial. Therefore, during negotiations for Saif’s transfer to a willing and capable “neutral Power”, it is a simple matter for the Zintan, if this is their intent, to state their demand that the ICC be the forum for any potential trial. If the ICC refuses, then their lies and perfidy will be exposed.

Please keep in mind however that there is no requirement under The Convention that the Zintan or “neutral Power” must hand Saif over for a trial to the ICC. He can be transferred to a “neutral Power” for purposes of health and safety only, or, “No matter for what reason”, and the process is complete without a trial. This would especially be the case if they were to hand him to a “neutral Power” that does not recognize the authority of the ICC.

Indeed, if the Zintan Elders so desire, they could merely declare that their Sacred Tribal Bonds and Code of Honor supersedes any pronouncement of jurisdiction by the Western Powers and their imperial agents within the ICC, or any other International Body whose authority they would thereby simply refuse to recognize as holding pre-eminent, Juridical Title above the Zintan regarding the fate of Saif al-Islam Khadafi – the Tribal Bond thus holds supreme.

Not surprisingly, the ICC has already stated their most recent imperial proclamation that Saif be tried by their newly installed, appointed, and properly indoctrinated authorities in Libya. However, as per Protocol ll of The Convention, which enunciates the protections of POW’s held under conditions of a Civil, or, Internecine War, the Zintan, who were and are “a party to the conflict“, (leaving aside the issue and reality of illegal, foreign instigation and intervention) would be in violation of The Convention if they were to hand him over to the new civil authorities of Libya under the belief that his life and rights could not be guaranteed. Under that condition, any international authority who demanded such a handover of Saif to the new Libyan authorities would themselves also be in violation of The Convention. And for the Zintan Elders, a situation that could also violate its Sacred Tribal Honor.

Not that the Western elite or their despotic dark age, Middle Eastern despots respect any aspects of International Law anyways – unless certain items suit their purpose at the moment. International Law, as developed since the Treaty of Westphalia, and expanded into the later years of the 20th Century, is now, for all intents and purposes, dead. The honor of the Zintan in upholding their Tribal Bond is a noteworthy exception these days to the depravity of today’s Western elite, along with their Middle Eastern monarchist and Zionist allies.

Perhaps it will be this ancient tribal bond, and the Code of Honor displayed by the Zintan – arising from the continent of Africa, from whence civilization first sprung – that may again show humanity a true and wise path into a civilized future. This is the only available path to truth for the Libyan people, a path and process of truth that we may hope also leads to Libyan tribal and national reconciliation.

This proposal and path would also serve as the means and methods by which Saif and the true patriots of Libya can achieve justice – by upholding the highest principles enunciated during the past thousands of years of mankind’s longing for brotherhood between all men and woman of good will. Indeed, it may be mankind’s last chance to avoid the worldwide conflagration the Anglo-American empire has in store for us all, because war and pillage is the only means at their disposal for saving their hopelessly bankrupt financial institutions and governments. It now appears that they are even willing to gamble with WWIII if that is what it takes to maintain their pre-eminent position of world power. If people of good will wish to stop them, then Saif’s transfer and trial, conducted in the broad light of day, under fully recognized and enunciated principles of International Law, is a means of doing so.

– *:Opinion articles are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of Mathaba News Agency

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Saif is fine. He is not a "prisoner" and he does not want to go to the criminal ICC!
Well Criminal ICC is correct. You have first handedly witness the NATO operations to overthrow a government for OIL, NAT GAS, etc... all through the pretext of protection/safety. The setup of the "CENTRAL BANK' BEFORE commencing operation OIL GRAB, should of been the indicator it was all planned over years to systematically takeover the country.

The UN, NATO OTAN there's no rule of law, it's only there for the serfs, mundanes, and ignorance to swallow hook, line, and sinker. You, think everyone plays by the same set of rules and laws? Nope, powerful government give the illusion of law and equality, today, it's all basically, propaganda.
 
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