NATO Backed Libyan Rebel Leader General Abdul Fattah Youne and Top Aides Assassinated

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Time For Peace In Libya

Gen. Abdul Fattah Younes, the Libyan "rebel" commander has been killed, most likely by his own compatriots, some of whom he engaged in a power-struggle with in April.

Possible clues to Gen. Younes' demise can be gleaned from an April 3, New York Times article under the headline "Rebel Leadership in Libya Shows Strain." The story described the rivalry between Gen. Younes and a former Libyan army general, Khalifa Heftar, "who returned recently from exile in the United States and appointed himself as the rebel field commander," the Times had reported.

According to the article, "the men could hardly stand one another." At the same time, the Times reported, a former political prisoner named Omar el-Hariri, "occupied the largely ceremonial role of defense minister."

To resolve the divisions, meetings ensued, but according to the Times' article, "When they concluded late last week, Mr. Younes was still the head of the army and Mr. Hariri remained as the defense minister. Only Mr. Heftar, who reportedly refused to work with Mr. Younes, was forced out. On Sunday, though, in a sign that divisions persisted, Mr. Heftar's son said his father was still an army leader."

"As the struggle with Colonel Qaddafi threatened to settle into a stalemate, the rebel government here was showing growing strains that
imperil its struggle to complete a revolution and jeopardize requests for foreign military aid and recognition," the Times also reported, in that April article.

"After the Benghazi meetings, a screaming match broke out when Mr. Heftar’s supporters berated a rebel leader for choosing Mr. Younes to lead the army," the article reported. As with the case today, the "rebels" needed a scapegoat for their lack of significant victories: "The rebel army’s nominal leader, Abdul Fattah Younes, a former interior minister and friend of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi whom many rebel leaders distrusted, could offer little explanation for the recent military stumbles..." the Times reported.

Heftar reportedly has ties to the CIA and lived near its headquarters while in U.S. exile.

The Times
also quoted, Fathi Terbil, a young lawyer who helped start the "rebel" uprising, saying: "At least they're not shooting each
other." Terbil may have spoken too soon; the "revolutionaries" may have already started devouring each other.

The "rebels" are united only in one thing--their hatred of Muammar al-Quathafi; they have no alternative vision for Libya. Younes himself, until February had been an al-Quathafi supporter, once serving as his interior minister; similarly, Mustafa abdel Jalil, who is now the titular political leader of the "rebels" was previously al-Quathafi's justice minister.
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The other "rebels" include former U.S. Guantanamo Bay inmates who had been detained by the United States for acts of terrorism in
Afghanistan. Upon their release, as reported by The Wall Street Journal, they eventually found their way to Western Libya and started training the Benghazi "rebels." Monarchists, including deposed King Idris Senussi's son, are also in the "rebels'" ranks.


These "revolutionaries" are also trained by the CIA, Egypt, Qatar, and officers on loan from France and Britain. Additionally, NATO serves as the "rebels" Air force.

The "rebels'" opportunism was exposed when Jalil told The Financial Times in a March 14 front-page article that oil concession would be granted post-Quathafi, based on how much support each Western country gave the "rebels" in deposing the colonel.

No wonder they have not inspired the kind of spontaneous support that the Blackberry-Face book revolutionaries did in Tunisia and Egypt.

Combined with their terror campaigns, including beheadings of suspected al-Quathafi supporters, especially Black people, and the racialist ethnic cleansing of Misurata Black Libyans, as reported in The Wall Street Journal on June 21, it's no wonder that three weeks ago more than one million Libyans showed up in the streets of Tripoli to denounce the "rebels."

Gen. Younes' death portends a dangerous moment for Libya, in case the "rebel" factions decide to turn their guns at each other. Some of
Younes' supporters may also defect and rejoin al-Quathafi. All this could mean more chaotic bloodshed in Libya, with multiple rivalries.

More than at any time, the outside powers that have been pushing for war in Libya must come to their senses and embrace the African Union peace proposal. Washington, London, and Paris, are the muscles behind the "rebels."

Now is the time to call for a ceasefire and the creation of a humanitarian corridor as outlined in the African Union plan, which also clears the path for a constitution and democratic elections.

Let warmonger Nicholas Sarkozy step aside. This is the time for South African President Jacob Zuma to make a third trip to Tripoli where "rebel" leaders should join him. The Holy month of Ramadan starts next week. There is no better time than now for peace in Libya.


"Speaking Truth To Empower."


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/world/africa/29libya.html


Death of Rebel Leader Stirs Fears of Tribal Conflict

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Published: July 28, 2011
BENGHAZI, Libya — The top rebel military commander was killed Thursday, and members of his tribe greeted the announcement with gunfire and angry threats. The violent outburst stirred fears that a tribal feud could divide the forces struggling to topple the Libyan dictator, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.
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Gen. Abdul Fattah Younes spoke
to the media in April.


The leader of the rebels’ provisional government, Mustapha Abdul Jalil, announced Thursday evening without providing details that unnamed assassins had killed the commander, Gen. Abdul Fattah Younes, and two other top officers.

General Younes, a former officer and interior minister in the Qaddafi government, had long been a contentious figure among the rebels, some of whom doubted his loyalty. He had been summoned to Benghazi for questioning by a panel of judges, and members of his tribe — the Obeidi, one of the largest tribes in the east — evidently blamed the rebel leadership for having some role in the general’s death.
The specter of a violent tribal conflict within the rebel ranks touches on a central fear of the Western nations backing the Libyan insurrection: that the rebels’ democratic goals could give way to a tribal civil war over Libya’s oil resources. Colonel Qaddafi has often warned of such a possibility as he has fought to keep power, while the rebel leaders have argued that their cause transcends Libya’s age-old tribal divisions.
Before General Younes defected to the rebel side soon after the uprising began in February, he had been a longtime friend of Colonel Qaddafi. Libyan state television sometimes tried to exploit speculation about his divided loyalties by reporting that he had returned to his old job.

During an interview in April, Colonel Qaddafi’s daughter, Aisha, suggested that General Younes was still loyal to her father, saying that at least one former member of the Qaddafi government on the rebels’ ruling council was still talking with the Qaddafis and pointedly declining to rule out General Younes.
For months, a public rivalry between General Younes and another rebel military leader, Khalifa Hifter, contributed to the pervasive sense of chaos in the ranks, as both men claimed to command the fighters in the field.

Rumors about General Younes and intertribal tensions started picking up here in the rebels’ de facto capital early Thursday evening with reports that a group of four judges working for the rebel council had summoned General Younes for questioning. The war effort he led has stalled out for months along immobile battle lines on the eastern front.
When the rebel leadership announced a news conference later at a Benghazi hotel, a few dozen members of his tribe gathered outside and began chanting. Some inside warned of possible violence if General Younes were removed from his position.
Instead, two hours after the press conference had been scheduled to begin, Mr. Abdul Jalil announced the death in a carefully worded speech that left many scratching their heads.

Mr. Abdul Jalil confirmed that General Younes had been summoned for questioning by the judges, though he declined to say why. He said only that General Younes had been “released on his own recognizance,” rather than either accused or exonerated of anything.

Mr. Abdul Jalil said that an armed gang had killed General Younes and the other two officers, and that at least one of the gang members had been captured. He declined to name the killer, or to say whether the gang had been working for Colonel Qaddafi, rebels who did not trust General Younes, or some other tribal group or faction.
Mr. Abdul Jalil then added that the rebel security forces were still searching for the bodies of the three dead officers, raising questions about how he had confirmed their death.

But the rebel leader also conveyed an unmistakable anxiety about the feelings of the Obeidi, General Younes’s tribe. Instead of appearing with other members of the rebel council, as expected, he sat at a table with men he said were elders of the Obeidi. He repeatedly said he wanted to “pay respects” to the tribe for its sacrifice and understanding, calling it “strong and deep.” He left the news conference without taking questions.
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Back anyone who can throw a stable nation into turmoil then kill him and replace him.

This has CIA fingerprints all over it. They had the opportunity and the motive. It's their modus operandi. Could it be anyone else?

Here is our naked imperialism for all the world to see. Such a humanitarian bunch we are.
 
The reality of the situation, explained by Dr. Moussa




A PERFECT ANALYSIS from Dr. MOUSSA
(This gentleman KNOWS what he is talking about; Libya is blessed with thi gifted, wis and understanding minister)
DANGER: If we do not go against Al-Quaeda in the Green mountains now, it will be too late for
the West and the Peaceful world to survive! (THIS IS EXPLAINED IN PART TWO.)


http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=627777?rss
 
Another view of the Bengazi Front:
Libya: Storm-siege under from the rebel administration in Benghazi.
A successesful defence across the Libyan country
Julius-Hensel-Blog
http://julius-hensel.com/2011/07/li...n-sitz-der-rebellenregierung-in-benghasi-ein/

30 July 2011
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WANTED: the father of the Libya war (front visit Brega last week)

by John Schacher

A big cleanup begins just before the start of the month for “RAMADAN”. The announcement of the assassination of General Younes broke the last straw. Tribes stormed the seat of the “Government-Rebellion” in Benghazi to off-handedly occupy the airport and seaport preventing the rebel chiefs from escaping.

Despite all protection, cover-ups and prevarication by Mustafa Abdel Jibril, the “so-called” head of the Transitional.Council, at the Press Conference, the face of the Obeidi tribe became aware of the situation and then fled. Therefore, the facts are now on the table: General Younis (former Libyan Interior Minister of the JAMAHIRIYA) and his two companions (a Colonel and a Lieutenant-Colonel) were arrested on the orders of rebel chief Mustafa Adul Jalils (former Libyan Minister of Justice) and were to be brought to Bengazi to a hearing.
The three officers were ambushed on their way to Bangazi by other al-Quada rebels in a suburb where their throats were slit, riddled with bullets, burned and then buried. Giving the orders was the American-exiled (in Virginia, America) Libyan and rebel commander Khalifa Hifter (of the CIA). A mafia-syle execution to give negotiating parties notie that al-Quada has to be involved with the final governmental organisation intended by NATO and the USA for Libya (not to be left-out, as was feared by them).
It was probably the mega unsuccessful “NATO storming of Brega”, whose grandiose mis-estimation of the situation needed a “scapegoat”. They concocted the story that there were secret negotiations between Younis and Gaddafi, causing naturally the rebels internal hierarchy conflicts – especially now with the monetary blessing of more than a thousand £s per day.

After the seemingly endless weeks of extreme-Islamist rebellions within a reign of terror, the Libyans made really good use of this on Friday. Gaddafi spoke on Thursday on behalf of Benghasi. It was first delivered, as a surprise on the TV-channels. He has kept his word, as he always has.

Benghasi: The tribes of Obeidi, Sabedat, Awagier & Warfala have brought the Benghazi Airport under their control! The seaport has also been backed up! The tribes of the Aldzhuazi Ababeydat and others, are fighting now at hotels in the vicinity of Tibesti, with the so-called “rebels”.

On the Western front there are now three pacified towns; and they captured many French mercenaries and rebels. 190 al-Qaeda Opponents were killed because they refused to surrender, since Wednesday.
The city of Ajdabia has been emptied of terrorists.
The hospital, the airport and a military Academy were liberated in Misrata.

The great tactical and military power of the Libyan Loyalist-Defenders cannot be praised even enough. Gaddafi’s restraint was legendary the last few months, but now the Fox pounced: while NATO tried to cut off Tripoli’s Tunisian supply routes, and the water supply and food from the hinterland, the cunning al-Gadafi troops, under all satellite surveillance prepared first class, fully managed go-ahead. Bravo, continue to do so!

Morality and decency seem to break way in Bengazi, as the “rebels” were ripped of all chance of success. A new governance of people’s committees began working apparently very well! Hopefully the destructive weapons will soon be placed away from harm; and the peace will reign again in Libya. EVERYTHING is out. In any case, Libyans are ready to unitedly defend against the United States, the UN and NATO (who have lost their “LEGITIMATION” as a world police “protectors” : as they have always committted monstrous war crimes.

Sources: my-metropolis.eu, S.O.S.Libya, trueinform.ru

P.S.: Whoever suggests that the reporting here is biased is quite right. All This is legitimated by default instantaneously and permanently here within the videos below which can be purchased (+ 18). No foreign people can govern what another soverign people can be!
 
Look at Moussa video. Their throats were slit, then they were riddled with bullets, then their bodies wre chared...and it was rebel al-Quada
 
The reality of the situation, explained by Dr. Moussa




A PERFECT ANALYSIS from Dr. MOUSSA
(This gentleman KNOWS what he is talking about; Libya is blessed with thi gifted, wis and understanding minister)
DANGER: If we do not go against Al-Quaeda in the Green mountains now, it will be too late for
the West and the Peaceful world to survive! (THIS IS EXPLAINED IN PART TWO.)


http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=627777?rss


Thanks for posting these.

Will send them to friends and family so they may better understand what is happening in Libya.
 
Have I woken up in the Twilight Zone???

What the heck are you guys smoking? The Libyan people are fighting a just cause against an evil evil dictator. There is no question about that, the man is clinging to power despite the wishes of the vast majority of the country and committing all sorts of war crimes along the way.

While I don't condone our country getting involved at all, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't throw our moral support behind a people that are fighting for their freedom against a tyrant that has oppressed them for decades.

Stop stereotyping Arabs as some kind of barbaric race that is doomed to be ruled by chaos and extremism.

Seriously, get a grip and remember why you're here.
 
Have I woken up in the Twilight Zone???

What the heck are you guys smoking? The Libyan people are fighting a just cause against an evil evil dictator. There is no question about that, the man is clinging to power despite the wishes of the vast majority of the country and committing all sorts of war crimes along the way.

While I don't condone our country getting involved at all, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't throw our moral support behind a people that are fighting for their freedom against a tyrant that has oppressed them for decades.

Stop stereotyping Arabs as some kind of barbaric race that is doomed to be ruled by chaos and extremism.

Seriously, get a grip and remember why you're here.

Way to try to marginalize ganja smokers and people speaking out about the atrocities commited by NATO nations and allies in one post.

Where are you getting your information from ?

Your statements seem like you know what is actually happening there ? Do you ?

Or are you simply blabbering about what the media keeps spinning and force feeding its subscribers ?
 
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@dblee:
???? What you write is not even worth Quoting!
Sounds like you are the one who has swallowed Obama's story, hook, line and sinker.
The reason al-Gadhafi has not fallen is because 98% of the people are with him.
Have you really seen what is now happening in Bengazi. Jabril has fled to Egypt and will be soon in Turkey. CIA's Histler is now running the TNC. NATO troops and mercenaries are on the ground in tanks and also using Qatari helicopters swooping-up and murdering civilians on the streets. NATO is bombing the meeting Halls were Warfala are gathering. Al-Quada have slaughtered (initially first 120, now into the hundreds) of Warfala tribesman--slitting their throats and butchering their woman. The TNC has run amuk! Green flags of the JAMAHIRIYA are being displayed in all the shops now in defiance to this whole CIA-led "insurrection". The people are no longer being fooled; but NATO is not giving-up. NATO has brought in tons of French, Australian and British mercenaries to fight along-side their plant, General Histler (trained by the CIA in Virginia for over 20 years). NATO last night bombed an old folks home, two medical centers and three pre-kindergartens!!! If they are military targets, then I am a mushroom. Archbishop Martinelli of St. Francis Church in Tripoli says he lost many friends last night. Americans and Italians are accusing him now of hiding al-Gadhafi!!! How sick is this nòn-"war" getting!!
The Great Man-made River was targeted last week, as well as the only factory in the world which HAD the templates to manufacture and repair the water- pipes, tubes and parts. The Port of Tripoli has been NATO-blocaded from the humanitarian ships that were supposed to dock. Fishermen have been bombed and cannot catch fresh-fish. Food storage facilities and grocery stores have been bombed! Still, the Libyan people are determined to resist NATO. Last week, al-Gadhafi caslled on the tribes to march UNARMED to the mountains to remove the scumbag al-Quada hiding-out there. The week before, many civilians, in a peaceful protest marching to the mountains, were struck by NATO bombs and ambushed by al-Quada thugs. Many, many died and the m majority were sevely wounded for life.
EWhat you read in the Western Media is all lies. Gadhafi is loved by Millions. And that is no exaggeration.
Gnomes has written, (QUOTE):
The revolution which began on September 1st 1969 was unlike previous coups and so-called revolutions, it had as its aim not the glorification of another ruling clique or exploiting class but the victory of the dreams and hopes of the masses for final emancipation. On September 1st, 1969 a revolution dawned under the leadership of Muammar Qadhafi which answered the cry of the people and responded to the examples of the Prophets and Apostles of God.

Today, many years after the formation of the first revolutionary committee, the organisation of the Free Unionist Officers and 1st of September 1969, Muammar Qadhafi still holds to these sublime values and lives them as the Leader of the World Revolution. In the words of Vanity Fair journalist T.D. Allman: “If Kirkegaard was right, and purity of heart is to will one thing and one thing only, then Qadhafi was the purest-hearted military conspirator ever to seize control of a nation. He did not drink or smoke, there are no tales of youthful passion; he appeared to have no personal life at all.”

This purity of heart, single-mindedness, courage, dedication and self-determination are the cherished aspects of a revolutionary life and they can be seen in abundance in the life of the Leader Muammar Qadhafi. These noble qualities enabled Col. Qadhafi, with profound insight, to develop the principles of the Third Universal Theory and apply them in the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya. Since the Bolshevik uprising in Russia the world had been locked in a struggle between the forces of Marxist communism and liberal capitalism. Revolutionaries who rejected both of these ideologies could find no leadership or coherent worldview which articulated their positions and was responsive to the real needs of the masses. This was only the case until the publication of The Green Book. Muammar Qadhafi has commented that:
“It is not like writing an ordinary book. It was simply an attempt to explain the dialectic which exists between Marxism and capitalism. The world has reached a political and economic impasse, and humanity simply cannot accept this impasse and accept to die. There must be a way out. That way out is this new theory”.
(‘Heart to Heart With Qadhafi’, New Africa, Feb. 1983.)

Qadhafi’s Vision

At a conference on Euro-Arab relations in Tripoli in May 1973, the Leader of the Revolution expounded on the philosophical aspect of the Third Universal Theory and its relationship to national and social liberation. In this speech we see the highly developed awareness of the Revolutionary Muammar Qadhafi and his acute appreciation of the complex inner needs of all the world’s peoples. It is worth recalling his words which are still very relevant to life in the 1990s. He said:
“Humanity now urgently needs a cry of justice which would return it to its senses and to its Creator… We need to go back to God and turn away from evil… Atomic bombs, missiles, biological weapons and aggression can only be the making of the Devil. The ideology we propose to the world is humanitarian but not made by men, nor is it a philosophy, but it is based on truth…. This is Gods law, always one, immortal, and unchangeable, a universal religion of truth which belongs to all mankind. The Third Theory offers an alternative to capitalist materialism and communist atheism and calls for the return of mankind to the Kingdom of God. Mankind was never in greater need to rearm itself with faith than it is now. We all know that all the philosophies and ideologies have failed to disprove the existence of God, and as the truth of His existence is self-evident, it is quite clear that society must be reorganised in every country of the world in accordance with the will of God and the precepts of His Prophets.”
Here we see the philosophical depth of the Third Universal Theory and how it has been drawn from the struggle of the masses for freedom and from the dynamic revolutionary precepts of the Messengers of God. “The Third Universal Theory, in simple terms, is a comprehensive formulation of the noble principles and moral values sent down from Heaven to the Prophets and Apostles to help guide people on the right path leading to happiness, stability and human tolerance. It is a worldview based on the concepts of justice, righteousness, moral fortitude, and respect for national existence. The Third Universal Theory has answers for the political, military and socio-economic problems facing human communities...." (UNQUOTE)

Muda Tengah writes concerning the MEDIA REPORTING:

Tuesday, July 5, 2011
Journalism as a Weapon of War in Libya

Tengah

The truth has been turned on its head in Libya. NATO and the Libyan government are saying contradictory things. NATO says that the Libyan regime will fall in a matter of days, while the Libyan government says that the fighting in Misrata will end in about two weeks.
During the night the sound of NATO jets flying over Tripoli can be heard in the Mediterranean coastal city. Tripoli has not been bombed for a few days, but the sound of the flyovers have been numerous. The Atlantic Alliance deliberately picks the night as a means to disturb the sleep of residence in an attempt to spread fear. Small children in Libya have lost a lot of sleep during this war. This is part of the psychological war being waged. It is meant to break the spirit of Libya. This is all additional to the severing wound imposed on Libya through trickery and sedition.
In the same context, the media war against Libya has continued too. The Rixos Hotel in the Libyan capital of Tripoli, where the majority of the international press is located, is a nest of lies and warped narratives where foreign reporters are twisting realities, spinning events, and misreporting to justify the NATO war against Libya. Every report and news wire being sent out of Libya by international reporters has to carefully be cross-checked and analyzed. Foreign journalists have put words in the mouth of Libyans and are willfully blind. They have ignored the civilian deaths in Libya, the clear war crimes being perpetrated against the Libyan people, and the damage to civilian infrastructure, from hotels to docks and hospitals.
One group of Libyan youth explained in a private conversation that when speaking to reporters they would interview in twos. One would ask a question followed immediately by another one. In the process the answer to the first question would be used as the answer for the second question. In the Libyan hospitals the foreign reporters try not to take pictures of the wounded and dying. They just go into the hospitals to paint the image of impartiality, but virtually report about nothing and ignore almost everything newsworthy. They refuse to tell the other side of the story. Shamelessly in front of seriously injured civilians, the type of questions many foreign reporters ask doctors, nurses, and hospital staff is if they have been treating military and security personnel in the hospitals.
CNN has even released a report from Misrata by Sara Sidner showing the sodomization of a woman with a broomstick which was conducted by Libyan soldiers (which it refers to as Qaddafi troops as a means of demonization). In reality the video was a domestic affair and from prior to the conflict. It originally took place in Tripoli and the man even has an accent from Tripoli. This is the type of fabrications that the mainstream media is pushing forward to push for war and military intervention.
There are now investigations underway to show that depleted uranium has been used against Libyans. The use of depleted uranium is an absolute war crime. It is not only an attack on the present, but it also leaves a radioactive trace that attacks the unborn children of tomorrow. Future generations will be hurt by these weapons too. These generations of the future are innocent. The use of depleted uranium is the equivalent of the U.S. planting nuclear weapons in Germany or Japan during the Second World War and leaving timers for them to detonate in 2011. This is an important and newsworthy issue in Libya and all the foreign journalists have heard about it, but how many have actually covered it?
The Ionis, a ship from Benghazi that docked in Tripoli on June 26, 2011, was carrying over 100 people who wanted to leave Benghazi to be unified with their families in Tripoli. Foreign reports were there en masse from all over the world. CNN, RT, and Reuters were amongst them. Amongst the foreign reports there were many who had no clue about the situation in Libya and were working on the basis of misinformation carried forward from their respective stations and countries. In informal discussion when these reporters were challenged about the basis of their assessments they failed to answer and sounded ridiculous. One reporter from Western Europe said that the defections at the governmental level in Tripoli where snowballing, but when challenged by a colleague she could only cite the so-called defection of a Libyan athlete.
The arrival of the passenger ship was significant, because it is a symptom that the political partition of Libya is underway. When families and individuals are being shuttled to different sides of Libya, it is an indicator that some sort of dividing line will be drawn either temporarily or permanently.
The Roman Catholic Church in Libya has also been disrupted and hurt. The position of Father Giovanni Martinelli, the Bishop of Tripoli, is in contradiction to that of the U.S. and NATO. Contact has been lost with the Roman Catholic churches and communities in Benghazi and its environs. Bishop Martinelli has also lost dear friends in the war who have nothing to do whatsoever with any combat or hostility. What have foreign journalists and news agencies said about this?
Journalists have a responsibility to tell the truth and report all newsworthy issues. Some do, but their stories either get edited or never get published or aired. Others say nothing and instead concoct stories. It is now the responsibility of the public to look at the reports coming out of Libya from all sides with a grain of salt. Diversity of news is just one starter.
Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya is a Research Associate for the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG). He is currently in Libya as an international observer and member of an international group of journalists and writers from Europe, North America and the Middle East.
 
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So as a libertarian, you're giving a person who runs a totalitarian government and his media mouthpiece Moussa Ibrahim credibility?

No one who unilaterally rules a government deserves credit in any regard, including people who use military power to squelch peaceful protests. If you follow #Libya on twitter there are plenty of average libyan citizans that live outside of the blackout zone that are constantly updating about what is going on in Libya. It's fairly obvious what the situation is.

If you want to start spouting crazy conspiracy theories and discredit this fine forum by making us all seem like a bunch of loons, then fine. How about this for a conspiracy theory? By your ridiculous quoting of the "Green Book" manifesto of Gaddafi along with treating his government's PR as if it's truth, I'm going to assume that you are an agent of Gaddafi's regime who has been tasked with spreading propaganda on the internet.

Lets not forget Gaddafi claims credit for the PanAm 103 bombing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

Do you condone this terrible, tragic incident? Or are you going to blame our CIA again?

I'm not justifying an invasion of Libya or use of force against a sovereign nation. I think that is wrong. But I also think glorifying an evil man and vilifying a population that wants nothing but freedom is some warped neo-con bizzaro world BS.

I mean seriously, you are basically implying that NATO, the CIA, and Al-qaeda are in cahoots. Are you for real?

If you support Ron Paul, then you understand that this kind of blanket islamophobia is inherently wrong. You can't assume that just because people in the ME are fighting against their governments that they are therefore terrorists or al qaeda. We had the right to our American Revolution. They have the right to theirs.

What about Egypt, Algeria, Yemen, Syria? Are they all terrorists too? Or are they simply people who are fed up with the puppet governments installed and propped up by our imperialistic intentions? Is it not a real revolution then? It's the CIA, NATO, Tri-lateral commision, Freemason, Templar Knight, UFO conspiracy?

Get. a. Freaking. Grip. on. Reality.



Dark_Horse_Rider: People smoke other things too, you know... like crack :rolleyes:
I don't have a problem with drugs. But sometimes they do make you trip out and see things that aren't there.
 
Whoops, that's right. You're NOT a Libertarian. You just spent a good deal of screen real-estate espousing socialist BS.

This purity of heart, single-mindedness, courage, dedication and self-determination are the cherished aspects of a revolutionary life and they can be seen in abundance in the life of the Leader Muammar Qadhafi. These noble qualities enabled Col. Qadhafi, with profound insight, to develop the principles of the Third Universal Theory and apply them in the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya. Since the Bolshevik uprising in Russia the world had been locked in a struggle between the forces of Marxist communism and liberal capitalism. Revolutionaries who rejected both of these ideologies could find no leadership or coherent worldview which articulated their positions and was responsive to the real needs of the masses. This was only the case until the publication of The Green Book. Muammar Qadhafi has commented that:
“It is not like writing an ordinary book. It was simply an attempt to explain the dialectic which exists between Marxism and capitalism. The world has reached a political and economic impasse, and humanity simply cannot accept this impasse and accept to die. There must be a way out. That way out is this new theory”.
 
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http://rense.com/general94/natobutcher.htm

Horrors Of US-NATO Butchery Of Libya Revealed
Exclusive to Rense.com
7-30-11


Note - The following email was received by a colleague of Susan Lindauer and we thank Susan for sending it immediately to us. This document is extremely important to read as it shows the hideous barbarity of the so-called 'civilized' Zionist-controlled United States and its City of London EU Western gangster allies. The bombing of the Libyan water project (the 'Great Manmade River'), the bombing of schools, hospitals and population centers, the blockading of the port at Tripoli to cut off all food and medical supplies, are all designed to starve and kill masses of humanity.
The people of Libya are incredibly intelligent and strong and are committed to withstanding this effort to steal their nation from them. We wish them all possible success. If Libya is allowed to be slaughtered and reduced to Third World rubble like the Zionist-owned United States did to the nations of Iraq and Afghanistan, the Western world - and 'civilization' as we knew it - are essentially gone. Remember Dresden... - ed

Susan: Also enclosed below is a press release on today's bombing by NATO

Finally back on the internet, not at our hotel, had to travel to get on. Thursday and Friday no gasoline thanks to the piracy of NATO.

What they gave me for Jeff Rense is a web link, they say it has photos and a video of what he needs. It is http://libya-sons.tv/video/ (Ed note - This page is now 404, apparently as a result the outrageous NATO bombing of the Libyan Broadcasting Authority and the murder of three journalist colleagues there.)

These people are now excited hiring some of the biggest lawyers in the world to file (lawsuits) against NATO. The war crimes here are unforgivable.

Last night, NATO bombed the Libyan Broadcasting company killing 3 civilians and injuring 15 others. They don't like any TV here except NATO propaganda. I am attaching 2 more leaflets, NATO dropped these last week. In what alternate Universe does NATO think these people will take any advice from them?

We were at a rally on Thursday where probably 400,000 to 500,000 people rallied behind their country and the Leader of their revolution.

These were some of the poorest people in Tripoli, yet they came with signs and their children dressed in green. They had written on their hands and bodies, we will give our soul for M. Ghadafi, we will all die before we let NATO and the great Colonial crusaders kill our beloved leader. NATO has stepped into a huge pile of shit and I hope that they end up with it all over their face. Ghadafi spoke at this rally over the phone, he said to NATO, "you must negotiate with the people of Libya" NOT ME, it is the people who decide their government and their leader.

I suppose you know about the infighting amongst the rebels? Now they have killed one of their big generals and this has instigated hate amongst them, this is due to the tribal loyalties. They have actually been fighting amongst each other for weeks, the kill each other periodically as they are all thugs.

In England, the British tried to give the Libyan embassy to the rebels! Like England says who owns the Libyan embassyand then the next day the rebels are killing each other. What a joke. The legitimate government of Libyan has now sealed that embassy. The UK can KISS any business here in Libya off * they are finished as are the FRENCH who periodically by orders of Sarkozy, shut the border between Tunisia and Libya to stop food and medicine and gasoline from coming in. NATO has blocked all the ships from coming into Tripoli so they want to starve these people out. Libya must pay big bribes to get the border open every time.

They are losing and they don't like it, they had better wake up, the US taxpayer will not fund this huge atrocity against humanity. The truth is coming out.
 
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Whoops, that's right. You're NOT a Libertarian. You just spent a good deal of screen real-estate espousing socialist BS.....'Lex' commenter from thirdpartywatch.com:

"You know, most days I can barely get to work safely, trying to dodge all those “radical Islamic jihadists” bent on destroying us and our way of life and enslaving our womenfolk in this existential clash of civilizations. They are obviously a much bigger threat than the unseen forces in a distant city who take a third of my paycheck every two weeks to spend on things I never asked for and don’t approve of."


When al-Gadhafi speaks of "socialism", it is NOT how you would define the word. IT IS A FAR CRY FROM LIBERAL SOCIALISM OF THE WEST...and it certainly is not communism. You better read the GREEN BOOK! People of the JAMAHIRIYA OWN their houses and cars---even if it was GIVEN to them. No one pays for medicine, medical care or insurances. Al-Gadhafi considers a home, health and a car a necessities of life and therefore they are given to all citizens over 18. Electric is also free, and gas used to cost 10 cents a gallon (before the uprising)!
And al-Gadhafi is CERTAINLY NO JIHADIST either. He has fought the NWO and al-Quada...He does not sport a beard buddy either. see this video; and get a bit educated on who Muammar al-Gadhafi is:


and besides, al-Gadhafi DOES NOT RULE LIBYA. He holds no position of power. He constantly is telling the West that they must negotiate with the People's Committees, not with him. Can you understand this at all, DBLEE ??????
 
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