Nationalism (Trump) vs Globalism (Cruz)

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If you don't understand that Ted Cruz has been the choice of the establishment since day one ..then you missed all of the signs. Ted Cruz was a former campaign head for the Bush clan, he also worked to produce global trade agreements in GW's admin. But this is far bigger than establishment vs non-establishment ..this is about what has been the fast track to ridding the world of nation states since after the Eisenhower admin. One of the biggest was to get the United States off the Gold Standard to eventually crash the dollar as the default currency, and replace it with a stand alone global currency or electronic currency today aka Apple Pay etc. The stuff Trump is talking about is not new to him, he talked about the same stuff when he was going to make a run at the Reform Party nomination...Stopping trade agreements like NAFTA, stopping illegal immigration, etc.....it's not new to him.

At at one time we had "national security" now we have "homeland security"...homeland..WTF? at one time we had "gross national product" that counted just manufacturing, now we have "gross domestic product" that counts burger flipping. They don't even try to protect this country anymore, it's more about going after the countries that do not want to be part of a global government.

They are systematically destroying nation states across the globe..Europe is being invaded, they can stop it but they choose not to.

Even the Libertarian Party has been infiltrated by globalists and New World Order types.

Trump's advisors are the who's who of Nationalists and stop Globalism types, meanwhile Cruz is the who's who of Goldman Sachs and the old Bush regime.

Cruz is the great Pretender, he had been brought in to appear to be conservative and Constitutional minded and to stop Rand Paul, so Cruz with less time in the Senate than Obama had .... Has talked it up, but has no record and the only vote that he cast that was close enough to make a difference, Cruz voted to make ObamaTrade easier to pass. It's really telling....it's like choosing to make the income tax easier to pass or not..

Trump is wrong on a few things like torture and abortion etc, but we have way bigger things we need to accomplish, number one stopping the global elite from destroying nation states and moving to a global government. You do understand that to have a global government they must have a Middle East that all belongs to a union similar to the European Union, it's not about oil. Trade agreements that are so-called free are about transferring wealth out of the United States and distributing it world wide so that global bankers become even richer and so do the global corporations, mass immigration breaks down countries and borders and cultures and creates death through infighting and disease, while the super rich laugh at the poor fighting each other from far away.

This is about protecting a way of life and it's nationalism (or the Constitution and a Nation State) vs Globalism

Trump is a nationalist, Cruz is a globalist pretending to love the Constitution...the fact is Cruz made the biggest cog of globalism possible when he voted to make ObamaTrade easier to pass....he was the main guy who worked for the Bush's on global trade.
 
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It's pretty funny how evangelical Christians were manipulated into voting for Bush Jr, and here they are now being manipulated into voting for Pee-Wee Satan.

I guess that nothing says "shitty judgement" like a group of people that sit around waiting for Armageddon to happen as soon as possible.
 
Trump is wrong on everything. And his nationalism (whether genuine or fake) is a big part of that.
 
Trump is wrong on everything. And his nationalism (whether genuine or fake) is a big part of that.

Being that literally everything that has ever gone bad about this experiment in freedom known as the United States of America can be attributed to an internationalist cabal of behind the scenes weirdos, I am going to say that your assessment is not particularly well thought-out.
 
Trump is wrong on everything. And his nationalism (whether genuine or fake) is a big part of that.

I have listened to Trump since the days of my support for Pat Buchanan. I went to the Reform Party National convention in 2000 in Long Beach as a delegate...I can tell you Trump is spot on in many things he says and does, it's not something he just flipped to. I don't agree with him on everything, but Nationalism is absolutely the best thing for Americans...unless you are a supporter of the Chinese or you want a global government.

This country was formed out of Nationalism, can I think of far better Nationalists than Trump..yep...but we only have Trump vs Booger vs Clinton vs Sanders....I'm going with Trump
 
. I don't agree with him on everything, but Nationalism is absolutely the best thing for Americans...unless you are a supporter of the Chinese or you want a global government.

I think a better way of phrasing the question would be: if the Founding Fathers could see America today what would they espouse, nationalist views or libertarian?

Given the time they lived in I think if they could see everything wrong with the US today (and how alot of it was done in the name of liberty and freedom) they'd be so shocked they'd advocate a state not far from that of NS Germany.
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I think you can be against Nationalism and against Globalism.

It's called Patriotism.

edit. sorry misread at first... I don't disagree; you can be against both nationalism and globalism... and be a patriot.

Nationalism is a desire to preserve the language and lineage of a people.
Patriotism is a desire to preserve the values and beliefs of a people.
 
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edit. sorry misread at first... I don't disagree; you can be against both nationalism and globalism... and be a patriot.

Nationalism is a desire to preserve the language and lineage of a people.
Patriotism is a desire to preserve the values and beliefs of a people.


I wouldn't necessarily say that persevering the language and lineage of a people is only nationalist or unpatriotic. I see nationalism as more of a exclusionary nativist reactionary primal instinct.

However, there is nothing wrong with a civic nationalism (patriotism). I would venture that your patriotism should be in your faith, family, and town first...then your State...then the Union of States.
 
edit. sorry misread at first... I don't disagree; you can be against both nationalism and globalism... and be a patriot.

Nationalism is a desire to preserve the language and lineage of a people.
Patriotism is a desire to preserve the values and beliefs of a people.


The problem with your definition of Nationalism is that it has been shaped by the globalist media. Nationalism is not about white people, it's about National identity and a Nation State vs a Global identity and Global Government. Liberty doesn't mean crap in a global government.

The whole idea of Nazi, Storm Front etc. etc. is Glenn Beckian scare tactics from Mr Globalist Glenn Beck himself. Glenn is using the oldest trick in the book..stuff that socialist and communists use.

Bottom Line --- if your not a Nationalist or Nation Stater/Constitutionalist then you are a globalist.
 
The problem with your definition of Nationalism is that it has been shaped by the globalist media. Nationalism is not about white people, it's about National identity and a Nation State vs a Global identity and Global Government. Liberty doesn't mean crap in a global government.

The whole idea of Nazi, Storm Front etc. etc. is Glenn Beckian scare tactics from Mr Globalist Glenn Beck himself. Glenn is using the oldest trick in the book..stuff that socialist and communists use.

Bottom Line --- if your not a Nationalist or Nation Stater/Constitutionalist then you are a globalist.

Well, sure that is fair. However, since the public perception of Nationalism is Nazi/Fascist/Interment Camps/Racism/Discriminatory/Oppressing Religious Minorities Through the State (Looking at You Teddy)/ect....I have no issues clarifying my position.

And one small problem with your A or B...there is also a C.

C is pre-Wesphalian tribal/feudal system (which is what many in the rural M.E and Africa (even in Asia) want)
 
Well, sure that is fair. However, since the public perception of Nationalism is Nazi/Fascist/Interment Camps/Racism/Discriminatory/Oppressing Religious Minorities Through the State (Looking at You Teddy)/ect....I have no issues clarifying my position.

And one small problem with your A or B...there is also a C.

C is pre-Wesphalian tribal/feudal system (which is what many in the rural M.E and Africa (even in Asia) want)

you got me on the pre-Wesphalian Tribal system

agree with you that is the perception, but the media can turn that perception to anything ...they made It where if you have a Pro-Life or Ron Paul bumper sticker on ..you were on a "domestic terrorist"

I don't care what the media want to shape things as - we are far more powerful than that now, Nationalism is the new Anti-globalism
 
I wouldn't necessarily say that persevering the language and lineage of a people is only nationalist or unpatriotic. I see nationalism as more of a exclusionary nativist reactionary primal instinct.

However, there is nothing wrong with a civic nationalism (patriotism). I would venture that your patriotism should be in your faith, family, and town first...then your State...then the Union of States.

i agree should always start with family, town, state, then Country
 
Neither is going to liquidate the Empire and the third party candidates don't have a shot at it unfortunately. Nemesis, the Greek goddess of retribution is going to keep on punishing us for the country's hubris until we are bankrupt and there is a social upheaval (Iraq style race war anyone?)
 
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