National Review asks: Who was the best American general?

Sun Tzu.

oh, "American"?

Oooh! Nice one!

To elaborate on my previous remark:

Some historians believe that Sun Tzu was not an actual person, but that "The Art of War" was, instead, a collection of sage advice compiled from a number of sources.

Until proven otherwise, I prefer to believe that Sun Tzu *was* a real person.

I guess that I just like to think that humanity is capable of producing a military genius who is capable of realizing that the best way to win a war is never to have to fight one to begin with.
 
To elaborate on my previous remark:

Some historians believe that Sun Tzu was not an actual person, but that "The Art of War" was, instead, a collection of sage advice compiled from a number of sources.

Until proven otherwise, I prefer to believe that Sun Tzu *was* a real person.

I guess that I just like to think that humanity is capable of producing a military genius who is capable of realizing that the best way to win a war is never to have to fight one to begin with.

composite or not, it is the only indispensable guide to strategy.

and i agree: any general who counts his greatest military victories as those in which he was able to avoid wasting the lives of his own men or taking the lives of his enemy is okay with me.

a side note is that this is precisely the type of strategy we should be expecting from the modern state of China. the absence of saber rattling should not be as comforting as it apparently is.
 
good post.

Stonewall Jackson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Jackson

Jackson won battle after battle after battle with a smaller number of troops and inferior equipment and supplies. He never had a clear loss in battle, some he battled to draws. The march at Chancellorsville is legendary, as his Valley campaign. He was brilliant at Antietam. He was great at Friedricksburg. He earned his nickname at 1st Bull Run, and won at 2nd Bull Run as well.

Jackson rates ahead of Patton as Patton always have numerical and equipment advantages. A. Jackson was great but had few battles. Washington was great, but he was more of a a manager and missed several important battles such as Saratoga and Bunker Hill.

There is also ample evidence that Stonewall was the real brains behind the Lee/Jackson operation. Lee won few battles after Stonewall died. Gettysburg was a disaster, it happened only a month after Jackson died.

The South had three military schools of thought, the auperior one was by Stonewall and was never fully adopted.

1) Jefferson Davis wanted to defend every inch of southern soil - this was impossible to do.

2) Lee wanted to confront and defeat the North in open battle - this did not work because it cost too many casualties the South could not afford, even if they could win the battle.

3) Jackson wanted to use lightning tactics to march around and hit 'em where they ain't. Jackson did this in the Valley when he had independent command and was absolutely brilliant. Jackson wanted to invade the North and terrorize key targets, rather than get into it like at Gettysburg. Jackson would have gone into Washington and chased Lincoln OUT, for example. Then ransack Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York, etc. In my opinion, Jackson was like a cross between William Wallace and Napoleon.

+1 Stonewall Jackson
 
I did not understand what VMI meant and how VMI had any connection with him being a capable artillery commander that is why I wrote ??? so he would explain his posts
Only way to become exceptional at artillery , is practice , unless you are are very rare born natural . You should read about Jackson,very interesting guy.
 
a side note is that this is precisely the type of strategy we should be expecting from the modern state of China. the absence of saber rattling should not be as comforting as it apparently is.

Yes. And that's exactly the sort of policy "we" (the U.S.) ought to be pursuing. China is "winning friends and influencing people."

"We", on the other hand, seem to think that bombing the hell out of everyone (or threatening to do so) will suffice.

We might as well just roll out the red carpet for China ...
 
Yes. And that's exactly the sort of policy "we" (the U.S.) ought to be pursuing. China is "winning friends and influencing people."

"We", on the other hand, seem to think that bombing the hell out of everyone (or threatening to do so) will suffice.

We might as well just roll out the red carpet for China ...

"we" are still relying on bluff, bluster, bullying, and BS. the old USSR used to have a saying: "Americans play poker; Russians play chess." evidently, the implication was that America played one hand at a time, and often tried to stack the deck and "buy the pot," while the Soviets were busy positioning and strategizing 10 moves ahead. well the Soviets had nothing on China.

"our" panic button position still seems to be MAD, the cold war ploy of "we got enough nukes to kill every roach on the planet," otherwise known as "the Mexican standoff. "

problem is, of course, that the MAD man makes himself the de facto enemy of everyone, by virtue of his instability. it IS a self-fulfilling omen. it is the opposite of the ultimate military strategy. the giant is awake, and rampaging, but inconceivably stupid.
 
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Pretty tough , I voted in that , took Washington.

Same. Given my druthers it would be Nathaniel Greene. A true mustangs amongst the academy elites. Went from a common enlisted soldier to brigadier general by the age of 33. Was Washington's personally selected second had he fallen in battle or been captured.
 
Same. Given my druthers it would be Nathaniel Greene. A true mustangs amongst the academy elites. Went from a common enlisted soldier to brigadier general by the age of 33. Was Washington's personally selected second had he fallen in battle or been captured.

Your mention of Greene reminded me of the Green Mountain Boys.

And *that* reminded me of Ethan Allen.

And *that* reminded me of ... Benedict Arnold.

Setting aside that little "treason" issue, Arnold was, by all accounts, a superb general - one of the best of the Revolutionary War.

His defection to the British was a devastating blow to Washington, who regarded him very highly (perhaps even more highly than Greene).
 
No contest - Winfield Scott.

In the War of 1812, as a brigade commander, trained soldiers who had been in the army less than 90 days, and led the same soldiers in to battle that was a tactical defeat for the British Army. Scott realized the importance of care for his men, and had the lowest rate of loss due to disease in the Army. He was promoted to MG as a result of his performance, having been a CPT at the start of the war.

He wrote the tactics manual for Infantry in use from 1816 to 1855.

Defeated the Seminoles and Blackhawks in irregular warfare.

As a MG in the Mexican War, selected Vera Cruz as the invasion point and captured Mexico City fighting battles outnumbered by 10 to 1 or more.

He devised the strategic plan by which the US defeated the Confederacy.

Jackson and Patton were superb battlefield commanders, but were weak in strategic thinking. Lee was the superb strategic thinker, but was unable to reframe his mind on tactics that were made obsolete in the war by the year 1863.
 
No contest - Winfield Scott.

In the War of 1812, as a brigade commander, trained soldiers who had been in the army less than 90 days, and led the same soldiers in to battle that was a tactical defeat for the British Army. Scott realized the importance of care for his men, and had the lowest rate of loss due to disease in the Army. He was promoted to MG as a result of his performance, having been a CPT at the start of the war.

He wrote the tactics manual for Infantry in use from 1816 to 1855.

Defeated the Seminoles and Blackhawks in irregular warfare.

As a MG in the Mexican War, selected Vera Cruz as the invasion point and captured Mexico City fighting battles outnumbered by 10 to 1 or more.

He devised the strategic plan by which the US defeated the Confederacy.

Jackson and Patton were superb battlefield commanders, but were weak in strategic thinking. Lee was the superb strategic thinker, but was unable to reframe his mind on tactics that were made obsolete in the war by the year 1863.

Good post. The battle of Chippawa was a HUGE U.S. victory.

Battle of Chippawa

The Battle of Chippawa (sometimes incorrectly spelled Chippewa) was a victory for the United States Army in the War of 1812, during an invasion of Upper Canada along the Niagara River on July 5, 1814.[8]

The battle of Chippawa, and the subsequent Battle of Lundy's Lane, proved that American regular units could hold their own against British regulars if properly trained and well led.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chippawa

Then the historic Lundy's Lane which was basically a draw, but still impressive.

Battle of Lundy's Lane

The Battle of Lundy's Lane (also known as the Battle of Niagara Falls[12]) was a battle of the Anglo-American War of 1812, which took place on 25 July 1814, in present-day Niagara Falls, Ontario. It was one of the bloodiest battles of the war,[13] and one of the deadliest battles ever fought on Canadian soil.[14]

By midnight both sides were spent. On the American side only 700 men were still standing in the line. Winfield Scott and Jacob Brown were both severely wounded. Brown would soon recover but Scott's injury removed him from the campaign.

The battle confirmed that the American regular forces had evolved into a highly professional army. Scott is widely credited for this progress, having modelled and trained his troops using French Revolutionary Army drills and exercises, although not all the American units present at Lundy's Lane had benefitted from his personal training.[37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lundy's_Lane
 
"Those are Regulars, by God!"

Chippewa.bmp
 
Daniel Morgan, The Battle of Cowpen was outstanding, Nathaniel Greene. Without debating strategic bombing as a useful or ethical means to end war, Curtis E. LeMay Was as affective as one could be with the Twentieth Air Force XXI Bomber Command. Air Force Colonel John Boyd never made General, but had the most effect on war doctrine since Sun Tzu and Clausewitz. He created the OODA loop, the Energy-Maneuverability Theory and "Destruction and Creation".
 
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