"National Divorce" - is it time to split up?

[Anti Globalist]

Who wants to bet that no matter what happens in the 2024 election there still won't be a separation from either side?

 

[PAF]

Who wants to bet that no matter what happens in the 2024 election there still won't be a separation from either side?

2024 election. People who vote will never separate.

In fact, even among the people who claim to want to secede, they constantly insist the Fed.gov "do something".

 

[PAF]

Who wants to bet that no matter what happens in the 2024 election there still won't be a separation from either side?

For sh|ts and grins, I've been looking at candidates positions, and talking to folks to get an idea of what they feel is important to them. I have yet to find anybody who is furious about the new 87,000 armed IRS agents. A couple of people mentioned it, but all they said was "what can you do about it, just be extra careful how you file, you might be better off paying to have it done". Aside from that, the #1 biggest complaint is "stolen election". Which tells me as long as they feel like their vote counted, they are perfectly content with the way things are.

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1612595605536219136

[page 92] https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/0g9mwkpaky/econTabReport.pdf

 

[Origanalist]

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1612595605536219136

[page 92] https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/0g9mwkpaky/econTabReport.pdf

So, there's hope?

 

[A. Havnes]

2024 election. People who vote will never separate.

In fact, even among the people who claim to want to secede, they constantly insist the Fed.gov "do something".

This is everything wrong with the country. The people who want to secede really just want another form of big government - one that makes the laws they want. They can’t fathom a world where the government isn’t shaping your life.

 

[jbnevin]

I could create a poll question that would elicit that response.

FU FRANK

 

[Occam's Banana]

The Economics of National Divorce

Lots of Americans now openly discuss the idea of National Divorce, focusing on the political, cultural, and social divisions in America. But what about the economics? How would issues like debt, entitlements, and defense be addressed if the US split into two or more new political entities?

Mises.org senior editor and economist Ryan McMaken joins Jeff Deist to discuss.

Listen to Hoppe on centralization and secession: https://mises.org/library/political-economy-centralization-and-secession

00:00	Introduction
02:16	Research on National Breakups
04:16	Are Bigger Nations Better?
07:20	Decentralization and Secession
10:25	What Happens to the National Debt?
14:34	The 1995 Quebec Referendum
27:19	Entitlements Under a Breakup
34:48	Breaking up the Cultural and Economic Divide
41:51	Will China Take Over the World if the USA Splits?
46:13	Global Trade with Divorced States

https://odysee.com/@mises:1/the-economics-of-national-divorce:5

The Economics of National Divorce, Part II

Tom Woods joins the show for a look at the hottest political topic of the day, namely national divorce. This is a spirited discussion of the politics, economics, and mechanics of how America might break up.

00:00	Introduction
01:00	The "National Divorce" Debate
14:11	Misinformation from the "Experts"
23:02	The Economic and Political Split

https://odysee.com/@mises:1/the-economics-of-national-divorce,-part:b

 

[Occam's Banana]

"Our nation's ideological self-segregation is proceeding nicely." -- Michael Malice

https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1659094966671425536
to: https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1659100183282565124

 

[Anti Federalist]

This is everything wrong with the country. The people who want to secede really just want another form of big government - one that makes the laws they want. They can’t fathom a world where the government isn’t shaping your life.

I don't.

I'd be happy with seceding states adopting an updated Articles of Confederation for common defense and border control and that's about it

 

[69360]

In Florida a law was just passed that makes it a crime to provide hormones or transgender surgery to a minor. In Massachusetts it was just proposed to charge parents with child abuse if they do not provide these things. How do you justify such disparate laws in the same country based on an internal border? Something is probably going to give at some point.

 

[Anti Federalist]

In Florida a law was just passed that makes it a crime to provide hormones or transgender surgery to a minor. In Massachusetts it was just proposed to charge parents with child abuse if they do not provide these things. How do you justify such disparate laws in the same country based on an internal border? Something is probably going to give at some point.

That is exactly right.

Those positions cannot be reconciled.

Unless the fedgov were to greatly reduce its scope and authority so each state would be become a mostly independent republic, free to choose its own course.

Like the constitution says they are.

 

[Occam's Banana]

THREAD: "Travel advisories" issued for Florida by woke BIPOC & LGBTQ groups

 

[Occam's Banana]

"Our nation's growing ideological self-segregation is proceeding nicely." -- Michael Malice

https://twitter.com/BullMooseProj/status/1668707131770515458

 

[devil21]

Considering how the banksters completely rejiggered the country's assets and the monetary system and the legal system, including subverting the Bill of Rights, in the Reconstruction period after the bankster created Civil War (slave trade was facilitated by banksters), I'm not convinced such a movement is advisable.

Change my mind?

 

[Occam's Banana]

Change my mind?

Why?

https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1357370873548853250

 

[Anti Federalist]

Considering how the banksters completely rejiggered the country's assets and the monetary system and the legal system, including subverting the Bill of Rights, in the Reconstruction period after the bankster created Civil War (slave trade was facilitated by banksters), I'm not convinced such a movement is advisable.

Change my mind?

I don't want to stick around for the genocide.

 

[devil21]

^^^^^^^Those aren't logical arguments. Occam's response is what a 20yo girl would say when challenged about why she's not a 10/10.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Change my mind?

^^^^^^^Those aren't logical arguments. Occam's response is what a 20yo girl would say when challenged about why she's not a 10/10.

Nice try - but my response was not an "argument" ("logical" or otherwise).

It was a rather clear and obvious statement that "I don't want to change your mind or argue with you".

Or at least, I thought it was. (Apparently, basic English escapes those who imagine that others are somehow accountable to their "challenges".)

 

[Anti Federalist]

^^^^^^^Those aren't logical arguments. Occam's response is what a 20yo girl would say when challenged about why she's not a 10/10.

No, they are not.

Your house is on fire.

You are trapped inside.

Saying, at that point, "I better not stay here" is not the result of careful logical analysis.

It's a simple statement of fact.

Assuming you want you and your posterity to live.