NASA Scientist (Creationist) on life on Mars

[Natural Citizen]

i've been following this comet info.
hyperbolic comet.
it may not even be from this solar system.

Yep. So if we want to tinker with it then it's a one shot deal. Heck, I don't even care if we do and don't mention it to the sheep.

Hyperbolic means that we won't see it again for anyone who doesn't know what that means. And this is a fairly big one too. Would be an awsome feat just to fish some of the debris.

Also incoming hyperbolic comets aren't known to have occured before so...yeah.

 

[Origanalist]

Yep. So if we want to tinker with it then it's a one shot deal. Heck, I don't even care if we do and don't mention it to the sheep.

Hyperbolic means that we won't see it again for anyone who doesn't know what that means. And this is a fairly big one too. Would be an awsome feat just to fish some of the debris.

Also incoming hyperbolic comets aren't known to have occured before so...yeah.

Why would sheep care?

 

[Origanalist]

We need a new way of thinking. 5 rovers mean we are thinking differently. I don't care how much it costs. A new narrative and social engineering in a direction that moves away from iron age fairy tales is a priceless commodity.

Good, you pay for it.

 

[torchbearer]

Yep. So if we want to tinker with it then it's a one shot deal. Heck, I don't even care if we do and don't mention it to the sheep.

Hyperbolic means that we won't see it again for anyone who doesn't know what that means. And this is a fairly big one too. Would be an awsome feat just to fish some of the debris.

Also incoming hyperbolic comets aren't known to have occured before so...yeah.

if i read correctly it is traveling at 120,000mph(i'm not sure what that is relative to or if it was mph or kph)
we can't get any of our craft up to that speed. if we had the time to intersect with it- we could try to hook on to it for a high speed ride out of the solar system. (assuming it doesn't hit mars)

 

[Natural Citizen]

Originally Posted by torchbearer

if i read correctly it is traveling at 120,000mph(i'm not sure what that is relative to or if it was mph or kph)
we can't get any of our craft up to that speed.

Heh. Craft... OK.....

I'm still a bit baffled about DA14. That was threading the needle. But...off with the tin foil hat.

 

[torchbearer]

i'm i wrong on our fastest spacecrafts?
isn't that around 40,000mph?

 

[Natural Citizen]

i'm i wrong on our fastest spacecrafts?
isn't that around 40,000mph?

I was thinking more along the lines of stationary craft. If craft at all. I don't want to venture off into the breakaway conspiracy type stuff but it's not entirely out of scope. I don't know. Was just thinking "what if?" is all. Probably shouldn't even have brought it up.

An example is all of the nonsense we hear about HAARP here on Earth. What if a technology like HAARP was a wonderful technology and what if there were advanced science from it that could be useful in space?

 

[libertyjam]

What, this isn't about Life on Mars the TV show??!

 

[torchbearer]

I was thinking more along the lines of stationary craft. If craft at all. I don't want to venture off into the breakaway conspiracy type stuff but it's not entirely out of scope. I don't know. Was just thinking "what if?" is all. Probably shouldn't even have brought it up.

An example is all of the nonsense we hear about HAARP here on Earth. What if a technology like HAARP was a wonderful technology and what if there were advanced science from it that could be useful in space?

i'm not following... how does this connect to the hyperbolic comet?

 

[Natural Citizen]

i'm not following... how does this connect to the hyperbolic comet?

I'm just saying that I wouldn't really mind if it were to make impact with Mars.

 

[jmdrake]

I was thinking more along the lines of stationary craft. If craft at all. I don't want to venture off into the breakaway conspiracy type stuff but it's not entirely out of scope. I don't know. Was just thinking "what if?" is all. Probably shouldn't even have brought it up.

An example is all of the nonsense we hear about HAARP here on Earth. What if a technology like HAARP was a wonderful technology and what if there were advanced science from it that could be useful in space?

Oh I'm sure HAARP has wonderful potential uses. It's modeled off what Tesla was doing and he wanted to broadcast electricity to power homes without wires. Just because someone has wonderful potential uses doesn't mean it will be used as such in the hands of the government and with little to no accountability.

 

[torchbearer]

I'm just saying that I wouldn't really mind if it were to make impact with Mars.

same here. i'd love to witness such an event. assuming mars is a dead planet, a huge event like that would change the property of its surface.
we may even get mars showers here on earth as a bi-yearly event.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Oh I'm sure HAARP has wonderful potential uses. It's modeled off what Tesla was doing and he wanted to broadcast electricity to power homes without wires. Just because someone has wonderful potential uses doesn't mean it will be used as such in the hands of the government and with little to no accountability.

If a derivative of this type of technology were to be used for such things in space (stationary) then I'm confident that a mere government would not be the think tank behind it. Perhaps a global merge of sort but more than likely the breakaway model I had mentioned. Again, I don't really want to dabble in "conspiracy" stuff. To think of it in terms of electricity just places us in a theoretical position of more importance than what we really are in scope. We always want to be the center of everything in regard of our Earthly woes but in the larger scheme of things we're simply irrelevant. May sting a bit but it's true. Anyhoo. I should quit yapping about it before people start to thinking I'm a globalist minded feller.

 

[torchbearer]

if this comet is from outside our solar system, we may get to witness transpermia in action.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Yeah, I've always maintained that the best place to look for life (from a science book perspective) on Mars is here on Earth. The flip side is that there is no way I'll accept that we (open for debate as far as who that is) don't have facilities (thus life) of sorts on the moon already. Heck, even Mars I'd venture to say. We'd be naive to accept that we do not. People laugh at Newt but the important thing is to just listen to what they have to say. Politicians are a minute voice in the scheme of all things space. Very minute. Is why it's important when they speak of such things as Newt and others do. Always want to have infrastructure in place before implementation and the standard sales pitch. It's just the way it is. Just look at how infrastructure is gradually applied here on Earth.

Takes tin foil hat back off...

 

[jmdrake]

If a derivative of this type of technology were to be used for such things in space (stationary) then I'm confident that a mere government would not be the think tank behind it. Perhaps a global merge of sort but more than likely the breakaway model I had mentioned. Again, I don't really want to dabble in "conspiracy" stuff. To think of it in terms of electricity just places us in a theoretical position of more importance than what we really are in scope. We always want to be the center of everything in regard of our Earthly woes but in the larger scheme of things we're simply irrelevant. May sting a bit but it's true. Anyhoo. I should quit yapping about it before people start to thinking I'm a globalist minded feller.

Okay. I'm honestly not following you. Anyway, here's my take. I'm all for the private sector investigating and experimenting with Tesla tech and other stuff. And it's not a "conspiracy" to point out that the government manipulates tech in a way that's not necessarily helpful to the rest of us. Take thorium. It's a much safer form of nuclear energy. But Nixon nixed funding for it in favor of plutonium because he wanted to be able to build more nukes and thorium reactors don't produce "weapons grade" anything.

Anyway, back to the actual subject. How are you thinking HAARP tech would help explore space? Are you thinking about lifter technology or something else?

 

[KCIndy]

i'm i wrong on our fastest spacecrafts?
isn't that around 40,000mph?

http://www.universetoday.com/84307/fastest-spacecraft/

The New Horizons space probe is the fastest spacecraft based on its velocity as it escaped the Earth’s atmosphere and gravity. The probe hit 57,600 km/h as it pulled away from its terrestrial tethers.

Next, the spacecraft with the highest rate of speed while on a solar escape trajectory(leaving our solar system) is Voyager 1 at 62,100 km/h. Currently, there are four space probes on trajectories to leave our solar system and expand our knowledge of what is beyond.

Based on pure speed per kilometer are the Helios solar probes. Helios 2 was the fastest during its closest solar approach, but both vehicles exceeded 250,000 km/h.

The fastest spacecraft while reentering Earth’s atmosphere was the Stardust probe. The comet sampling probe hit a comfortable 46,660 km/h while returning samples of comet material and interstellar dust.

Just for fun, the Galileo space probe holds the record for the fastest entry of the atmosphere of another planet. Galileo hit 173,770 km/h on its way to impacting the surface of Jupiter

 

[Natural Citizen]

Anyway, back to the actual subject. How are you thinking HAARP tech would help explore space? Are you thinking about lifter technology or something else?

I was just thinking along the lines of maybe bouncing something around. Maybe redirecting something like a comet. Not really exlporatory or anything. As I said, it was just off the top of my head kind of thing and not necessarily HAARP. Was just an example. I do that sometimes.

The lifter type stuff has been theorized in maybe landing on some of these asteroids though. It's an interesting concept.

 

[Natural Citizen]

This is perhaps the most interesting trinket right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-212

 

[libertyjam]

http://www.universetoday.com/84307/fastest-spacecraft/

now convert those speeds to mph so you two are talking the same units.