Nancy Mace: Republican Party Becoming the Party of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz

[Peace&Freedom]

Conley is bagging groceries at Safeway. Time to turn the page.

On a particular candidate, perhaps, but the principle (or election dynamic) remains the same. In a seat held by a strong incumbent with millions to spend, your best bet is to wait for the seat to be vacated, then make a strong run at capturing a primary victory in the dominant party in that district/state. Second best is to 'Tea Party' the incumbent in their next primary, and IF you have the TP folks behind you like mad, perhaps steal a win there.

Mace has no chance against Graham under scenario one, and is a long shot, at best, at scenario two. What I continue to see are partisans for one major party failing to turn the page, when they find a good candidate issue/background wise who has no realistic shot, yet push them as if they do. That's repeating the same low-probability strategy that keeps losing elections. Yes, turn the page, by adopting a higher probability plan that circumvents the two-party paradigm that is locking out liberty candidates.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

On a particular candidate, perhaps, but the principle (or election dynamic) remains the same. In a seat held by a strong incumbent with millions to spend, your best bet is to wait for the seat to be vacated, then make a strong run at capturing a primary victory in the dominant party in that district/state. Second best is to 'Tea Party' the incumbent in their next primary, and IF you have the TP folks behind you like mad, perhaps steal a win there.

Mace has no chance against Graham under scenario one, and is a long shot, at best, at scenario two. What I continue to see are partisans for one major party failing to turn the page, when they find a good candidate issue/background wise who has no realistic shot, yet push them as if they do. That's repeating the same low-probability strategy that keeps losing elections. Yes, turn the page, by adopting a higher probability plan that circumvents the two-party paradigm that is locking out liberty candidates.

It's a nice thought, but the SC US Senate seat will go GOP in the general. The best any Dem can do in the general is in the low 40's, in fact that's about the stock number the Dem opponent has gotten in the past 10+ years. The fight here is in the primary.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I like her but she sounds like she still needs some polish as she clearly doesn't own the conversation like Rand or Ted does. I am, however, confident that she'd tow the liberty line.

Based upon the OP Ingraham interview audio, Mace appears to be not ready for prime time. She made multiple gaffs, used poorly chosen words at times, and was unsure of facts.
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She just did an interview on Fox with Cavuto. It appeared as though she had memorized some statements, and it wasn't very smooth. She needs a lot of practice, especially at Q&A interviewing.

We just need to keep Lindsey under 50% and take this to a run off. I think the multi pronged attack of Cash, Bright, and Mace might work...

The run-off is the election. The Primary will just decide who is in the run-off against Graham.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

She just did an interview on Fox with Cavuto. It appeared as though she had memorized some statements, and it wasn't very smooth. She needs a lot of practice, especially at Q&A interviewing.



The run-off is the election. The Primary will just decide who is in the run-off against Graham.

Anyone considering running for office should take at least a public speaking class.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

You guys are bent. I have been around Rand since the early 2000s. He is not that great of a speaker until he had practice. Anyone remember the Maddow debacle or how he says "The Interesting Thing Is...." at the beginning of every sentence including his sandwich order. I am not a fanboy of our Senators. I think all of them have weaknesses. Mace is a threat to the establishment because she's A) A Woman B) A Historical Figure C) Military bases covered D) Small Business owner E) Only 35.

 

[krugminator]

You guys are bent. I have been around Rand since the early 2000s. He is not that great of a speaker until he had practice. Anyone remember the Maddow debacle or how he says "The Interesting Thing Is...." at the beginning of every sentence including his sandwich order. I am not a fanboy of our Senators. I think all of them have weaknesses. Mace is a threat to the establishment because she's A) A Woman B) A Historical Figure C) Military bases covered D) Small Business owner E) Only 35.

Rand was a significantly (light years really) better speaker in 2007 than Mace is now.

Gary Johnson is a pretty average interview and speaker and he got elected. Mace is going to have improve a lot in a short period of time if she is going to have any chance against a popular, well funded Senator.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Rand was a significantly (light years really) better speaker in 2007 than Mace is now.

Gary Johnson is a pretty average interview and speaker and he got elected. Mace is going to have improve a lot in a short period of time if she is going to have any chance against a popular, well funded Senator.

NO. No, he was not. Rand was not a better speaker. Ask his lone campaign staffer back then Chris. He needed so much work. Even with him being 10 years older than Mace is now in 2007. I am one of the original supporters of Rand and so many times I cringed at his botched delivery and the man has yet to learn how to deliver a joke.
That said, Rand spanked ass in 2010. Mace is a solid speaker and much better story teller.

 

[Pericles]

Based upon the OP Ingraham interview audio, Mace appears to be not ready for prime time. She made multiple gaffs, used poorly chosen words at times, and was unsure of facts. On the other hand, these do not preclude her from making perfect votes as a Senator.

And a genuine conservative female who was the first female to graduate from the Citadel could provide a lot of interesting contrast to Lindsey.

Does anyone know what she did in the military?

Agree with the first paragraph.

If I hear one more time "first woman to graduate from the Citadel" ....... some of us old dinosaurs find that off-putting. You can't go there for the quality of the experience while requiring the institution to fundamentally change, in order to accommodate your desires supported by the federal government that you want to downsize.

Couldn't have done much in the military - wasn't there long enough. which brings me backt to the previous paragraph. Being a Citadel grad is a big thing for the ambitious SC person. ......

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

On a particular candidate, perhaps, but the principle (or election dynamic) remains the same. In a seat held by a strong incumbent with millions to spend, your best bet is to wait for the seat to be vacated, then make a strong run at capturing a primary victory in the dominant party in that district/state. Second best is to 'Tea Party' the incumbent in their next primary, and IF you have the TP folks behind you like mad, perhaps steal a win there.

Mace has no chance against Graham under scenario one, and is a long shot, at best, at scenario two. What I continue to see are partisans for one major party failing to turn the page, when they find a good candidate issue/background wise who has no realistic shot, yet push them as if they do. That's repeating the same low-probability strategy that keeps losing elections. Yes, turn the page, by adopting a higher probability plan that circumvents the two-party paradigm that is locking out liberty candidates.

The liberty movement cannot exist in the DNC. Individual liberty is the antithesis of what the progressives fundamentally stand for.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Agree with the first paragraph.

If I hear one more time "first woman to graduate from the Citadel" ....... some of us old dinosaurs find that off-putting. You can't go there for the quality of the experience while requiring the institution to fundamentally change, in order to accommodate your desires supported by the federal government that you want to downsize.

Couldn't have done much in the military - wasn't there long enough. which brings me backt to the previous paragraph. Being a Citadel grad is a big thing for the ambitious SC person. ......

Honestly, You obviously have done zero research into her. She was known to not ask for special treatment. Women at the time she was there were complaining and dropping out and she remained silent and blazed a trail: http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...qNUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fjsNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3531,2528199

So, old dinosaurs like you are becoming fossils and dying off. Women vote now and these kind of "First Woman" stories get people elected and admired.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Mace will get better and tighten up her game as she becomes more experienced. This is another reason why I think she should've got in the game much earlier.

 

[Pericles]

Honestly, You obviously have done zero research into her. She was known to not ask for special treatment. Women at the time she was there were complaining and dropping out and she remained silent and blazed a trail: http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...qNUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fjsNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3531,2528199

So, old dinosaurs like you are becoming fossils and dying off. Women vote now and these kind of "First Woman" stories get people elected and admired.

The officer ethic is one of selfless service - you accept the missions and tasks entrusted to your care, regardless of your personal preference. It is not a job of what's in it for me, at least until the days of "Be All you can be". Every Army branch (Armor, Infantry, QM, Intel, Finance, etc.) has a Major General as head of the branch - most of the branches in the Army are headed by women today - make of that what you will.

Us old dinosaurs were in the business of winning wars.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

The liberty movement cannot exist in the DNC. Individual liberty is the antithesis of what the progressives fundamentally stand for.

The liberty movement cannot exist in either the RNC or the DNC. Individual liberty is the antithesis of what the progressives fundamentally stand for, AND the antithesis of what pro-big business, big empire, big government conservatives fundamentally stand for. There is not a dime's worth of difference between the Democratic and Republican leadership. They are both on Team E (statist establishment) while pretending to be on teams D and R, both boxing out real alternatives.

The point is not to "exist" in either big government major party, but to leverage them to more easily get liberty candidates elected. Running against deeply well funded strong incumbents is not the way to get there. Yet the same mistake is being made over and over.

 

[anaconda]

NO. No, he was not. Rand was not a better speaker. Ask his lone campaign staffer back then Chris. He needed so much work. Even with him being 10 years older than Mace is now in 2007. I am one of the original supporters of Rand and so many times I cringed at his botched delivery and the man has yet to learn how to deliver a joke.
That said, Rand spanked ass in 2010. Mace is a solid speaker and much better story teller.

I thought Rand's speech at Faneuil Hall in 2007 was very good given the audience and purpose:

 

[anaconda]

the man has yet to learn how to deliver a joke.

I thought Rand's material was funny here. And I liked his deadpan delivery. And the fact that he didn't get flustered by the jokes seemingly bombing with the unresponsive crowd was a win in itself. If you can tell a joke that bombs without becoming nervous or self conscious, you've already won most of the battle. Telling bad jokes can be an art in itself. Rand had the strength of character to let himself be part of the brunt of the joke.

 

[anaconda]

Mace is a solid speaker and much better story teller.

Good to hear. I hope she joins the Wacko Birds in the Senate.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

I thought Rand's material was funny here. And I liked his deadpan delivery. And the fact that he didn't get flustered by the jokes seemingly bombing with the unresponsive crowd was a win in itself. If you can tell a joke that bombs without becoming nervous or self conscious, you've already won most of the battle. Telling bad jokes can be an art in itself. Rand had the strength of character to let himself be part of the brunt of the joke.

That was his best effort and it still sucked. Remember, I am a Rand cheerleader but he's not funny. He can sneak a line in every once in a while. His best is when he can flip it on an interviewer and make a joke. Speech one liners are awful. I wish Doug Stanhope would work with him since he's at his best when cutting

That said, I won't confirm he was in the Noze Bros. but the stuff written in his time period was funny. If he had anything to do with it, he needs to go back to that style.

 

[Brett85]

On a particular candidate, perhaps, but the principle (or election dynamic) remains the same. In a seat held by a strong incumbent with millions to spend, your best bet is to wait for the seat to be vacated, then make a strong run at capturing a primary victory in the dominant party in that district/state. Second best is to 'Tea Party' the incumbent in their next primary, and IF you have the TP folks behind you like mad, perhaps steal a win there.

Mace has no chance against Graham under scenario one, and is a long shot, at best, at scenario two. What I continue to see are partisans for one major party failing to turn the page, when they find a good candidate issue/background wise who has no realistic shot, yet push them as if they do. That's repeating the same low-probability strategy that keeps losing elections. Yes, turn the page, by adopting a higher probability plan that circumvents the two-party paradigm that is locking out liberty candidates.

It seems to me like Nancy has a decent chance to win if the conservative outside groups run ads against Graham. Without the help of conservative outside groups she has no chance, but if the Club for Growth, Senate Conservatives Fund etc, spend a lot of money exposing Graham's big government record, that would make Graham's favorability ratings plummet, and could very likely force a runoff. If Nancy could make it to a runoff with Graham, all bets would be off.

 

[Brett85]

I'm not exactly sure why people are saying that Mace is such a bad speaker. I watched the speech she gave in front of the Republican Liberty Caucus, and I thought she did just fine.

 

[twomp]

I'm not exactly sure why people are saying that Mace is such a bad speaker. I watched the speech she gave in front of the Republican Liberty Caucus, and I thought she did just fine.

Because the people complaining are "political geniuses" who can obviously do better from the safety of their computer seat. I for one am sick of "polished" speakers. Every time I hear them speak, I feel like I have to check my wallet to see if it's still there.