My wife thinks I'm insane. Am I?

I've been trying to explain to my wife recently that we really need to further diversify our assets by buying gold, stocking up on food/essentials, and possibly shifting some of our retirement funds to Europacific? I've tried every rational angle. The "you can beat the rising inflation by stocking up" angle. The "further diversification of our assets, including currency" angle. She just dismisses it as me being a doom and gloomer and that I'm off the deep end and she won't take the time to become informed or let me inform her. How have some of you dealt with an unresponsive significant other? Or is she right, am I insane?

No worries, my husband KNOWS I'm insane and we still love each other. :p

In all seriousness though, when I first started talking about Ron Paul, politics and Austrian economics, I thought I might get served with divorce papers any day. I tend to dive into things and stay there until I get a grasp on the major concepts. As a result, I sort of "withdrew" from my family a little bit. Nothing major or damaging just a bit disconcerting to them.

Now, however, with everything that has been happening this year, he has gotten to the point where he'll call me to tell me about things going on or something he read about Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, etc. I think it just takes time for a lot of this stuff to sink in. I know it was all a rude awakening for me.

You have to also remember that some of us are just naturally "drawn" to liberty. We don't need someone to show it to us and explain it to us, we sort of just understand it. Some have to be led a little bit. Some will only come kicking and screaming. And, sadly, others will likely never come at all.

Patience and restraint. You see the urgency and understand the full potential of what we could all be facing, but others simply don't see it yet. Patience, love, restraint and understanding. Don't allow it to seem like an obsession.

Wait... what am I saying... I'm hopelessly obsessed, but it is an obsession I can live with. ;)
 
I've tried every angle except the: run around the house screaming "we're all gonna die!!!"angle.

Seriously, I have tried every angle I can think of. She's gotten pretty upset and dropped the "I'm just sick of talking about it" line a couple of times. Unfortunately, the money I'd like to transfer to Europacific is in her IRA from her previous job. I can't move my own 401k without being penalized. I have purchased some pm's and some supplies but not enough IMO. I'm just stumped as to how to get her to realize the magnitude of what we could be facing. And I have a young daughter to think of so I definitely tend to be extra cautious when it comes to her future.

Then just consider that she doesn't want to move her IRA into anything, and it just isn't going to happen. She's made up her mind. No amount of convincing is going to change her mind. She's made up her mind. Believe me I'm dealing with a similar situation here and I'm only hoping that my half of the decisions on my own assets will be able to carry the rest of the family. Sometimes you can't push people who don't want to hear it. You can only make decisions based on your own choices.
 
..............What's in your 401k? Haven't a ton of people lost theirs already? I don't think you can ask your wife for her money when you have access to your own, albeit with penalties.

Find out what's in that 401k asap, and then make a judgment call.

(Or rack up your credit card stocking up ;))
 
Yeah, you're crazy for letting some bitch run your life.

heh i was thinking that too in a bit softer terms.

but why don't you just take out whatever is yours and move it to europac. just tell em you want to diversify in some foreign currencies, foriegin blue chip stocks, and precious metals. that sounds like a very sound investment strategy.

as far as the food. i'd just stock up at the grocery store. i ordered a year supply but, i've gradually been picking up a bag of rice and some large can goods at wal mart lately. a solar generator or wind generator isn't a bad thing to have and neither is a high quality water filter or some other purification means.

i don't really think it's crazy. it's just being realistic. water quality will drop significantly if there is a depression and there will most likely be some food shortages. it's not a bad idea to have like a couple weeks worth of cash around the house either.

just my two cents...but you're not insane. being positive and saying it isn't going to happen isn't going to change the fact that the fundamentals of our economy are absolutely horrible and we are in the process of losing status as reserve currency of the world, which means no more exporting our inflation overseas.
 
you're right. you know you're right. don't second guess yourself. you understand what is really happening, and it doesn't matter if no one else does. if you listen to your wife, you will go broke, or worse.

unfortunately, if you do decide to invest in gold or europac... you face the possibility that gold and stocks could go down temporarily. this is espeically a concern with europac stocks. stocks all around the world are getting sold off... i don't know when the bottom will come, but i think there are good bargains out there already, and ultimately, the dollar will collapse... so the risk is too great to hold onto dollars waiting for the ideal time. i still think now is a great time to get into gold/silver/platinum from the perth mint. you could put a lot of your money into the merc currency funds and slowly buy into your foreign stock positions as they fall/rise.

one way to compromise with your wife... is take a look at the total value of your saving. and you get to do whatever you want with your half, and she gets to do whatever she wants with her half.

the problem that you will run into, is that she will bitch and flip out if your portfolio takes a hit. like if you buy gold right now, i think it could be making new highs within a few weeks even.... however, we're at $880 right now, it could easily fall another $30, and break the $850, fall back to $800, and maybe even go a bit lower than $800. anything is possible. i don't think that will happen, but it could. so if you go out and protect your money, you could be down a lot in a very short amount of time and your wife will totally flip out on you. that's why it is better if she understands it herself. but just make sure to tell her that you are taking responsibility for it... explain to her the possibility of them going down. ideally, don't even let her see the balance of your portfolio and just tell her not to worry about it.

i assume you will be buying physical gold. you should always buy at least some physical to keep with you... but the perth mint and gold money are good also. but in terms of phsyical... i find that women really like the look of phsyical. so if you get a nice coin or bar, and bring it home and show it to her... girls love gold... so she will probably not mind as much buying physical gold as she would stocks (since stocks are getting a really bad name these days).

but whenever these stocks stop falling... there will be tremendous value... and paper currencies are getting very over valued, considering how much they will all be inflated soon. so the europac stocks are a bargain in my opinion... but i think they will get even cheaper and become an even better bargain as these markets continue to melt down and leveraged speculators and panicked sellers throw out the baby with the bathwater. however, i wouldn't recommend trying to catch the bottom, because you might miss it and be too late... so maybe go into the stocks slowly. but i would buy your gold and silver asap before it's all gone.

and just go ahead and stock up on food... it doesn't cost that much money, so she can't be that pissed off about it, just do it.

and if she still doesn't like gold, just buy high quality gold necklace for her if you can find some that is close to spot. (i think high quality gold is closer to spot than low quality stuff)

and you and i both know, that if you do the things that you know need to be done... you're going to look like a genius in a year or two... and your wife will love you because you wont be broke, whereas all her friends will be struggling, and she will be very thankful that she married someone who was smart enough to do these things. girls like rich guys, so when these investments pay off, there wont be any problems.
 
I've been trying to explain to my wife recently that we really need to further diversify our assets by buying gold, stocking up on food/essentials, and possibly shifting some of our retirement funds to Europacific? I've tried every rational angle. The "you can beat the rising inflation by stocking up" angle. The "further diversification of our assets, including currency" angle. She just dismisses it as me being a doom and gloomer and that I'm off the deep end and she won't take the time to become informed or let me inform her. How have some of you dealt with an unresponsive significant other? Or is she right, am I insane?

Hire a storage room and stock up there, if your wife is hassling you.

When the SHTF and your wife is distressed, you will be the hero of the household.

Survival takes precedence over everything.
 
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Haha @ some of these comments. :D

May I suggest; How I found Freedom in an Unfree world. By Harry Browne :D
 
Priceless on the Iceland comment, lol.

I feel for "insane" as same situation, not with SOP, but family, senior parents, adult siblings, etc. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY wants to hear or listen OR read, or ever asks any questions, etc, even though I've been sharing material for some time.

Their apathy is killing ME, lol, as my head is SO FULL from five straight years of reading practically night and day, sometimes I feel I will burst wide open.

The recent financial rumbles have slightly shaken Mom -- finally -- they had recently switched all their $$ to Wachovia from BOA -- so there may be a crack in the concrete. And Dad, when I first came up here in May and brought all the DVDs just for him since he doesn't read hardly, he absolutely resisted with a brick wall, totally closed mind, and like a 2-year old pitching a fit, and barked at me, "I DON'T LIKE YOUR STUFF!" ;-/

And my older sister who has always been the most financially successful and the smartest in the family, shocked me to no end when she said, "Oh, THEY will NEVER let that happen..." (crash, boom, bust, martial law, financial collapse, or whatever... she -- the SMART ONE -- thinks "THEY" will NEVER let it happen! Arrrggghhh. Total EXASPERATION).

In other words, I feel your pain, Insane! No advice, just empathy.

Oh, and the Noah comment was also spot on! Try to imagine 120 years of apathy from everyone round about... ;-/
 
I don't know how some of you do it.

Mrs. AF and I are "on the same page" 100% when it comes to all this, meaning the "grand picture".

I can't imagine having to drag an unwilling spouse to reality, it's bad enough enduring the (not so much anymore) scoffing and apathy of disconnected friends and relations.

Good luck.
 
I don't know how some of you do it.

Mrs. AF and I are "on the same page" 100% when it comes to all this, meaning the "grand picture".

I can't imagine having to drag an unwilling spouse to reality, it's bad enough enduring the (not so much anymore) scoffing and apathy of disconnected friends and relations.

Good luck.

My wife and I are generally on the same page as well. We might disagree sometimes on the overall strategy but so far we've been able to work something out.

These threads about people being whipped are just stupid.

When my wife and I were married, everything we owned previously became "ours". We work as a team to try and make the best decisions for our family. We've been wrong before and we try and learn from our mistakes. I suppose now people will call me a communist.

Believe me, I'm one of the most self-centered people I know other than my dad. I recognize that I might overlook something in my decision making process so I rely on my wife to help in the decision making process.

Have your wife read Crash Proof. Even if she doesn't understand everything in it, she'll see where Peter has been right in his predictions and she'll understand the consequences of not acting.
 
My wife and I are generally on the same page as well. We might disagree sometimes on the overall strategy but so far we've been able to work something out.

These threads about people being whipped are just stupid.

When my wife and I were married, everything we owned previously became "ours". We work as a team to try and make the best decisions for our family. We've been wrong before and we try and learn from our mistakes. I suppose now people will call me a communist.

Believe me, I'm one of the most self-centered people I know other than my dad. I recognize that I might overlook something in my decision making process so I rely on my wife to help in the decision making process.

Have your wife read Crash Proof. Even if she doesn't understand everything in it, she'll see where Peter has been right in his predictions and she'll understand the consequences of not acting.

@ Bold..

See NO... the family unit is roughly voluntary socialism... :D Nothing wrong with that... since it's voluntary. You love your wife & your family though. The fools who them try to apply it to a wider society where they think everybody will unconditionally love eachother, is an absolute joke. Which is why the whole socialism thing fails remarkably.... especially when it's coercive.. :o
 
I've been trying to explain to my wife recently that we really need to further diversify our assets by buying gold, stocking up on food/essentials, and possibly shifting some of our retirement funds to Europacific? I've tried every rational angle. The "you can beat the rising inflation by stocking up" angle. The "further diversification of our assets, including currency" angle. She just dismisses it as me being a doom and gloomer and that I'm off the deep end and she won't take the time to become informed or let me inform her. How have some of you dealt with an unresponsive significant other? Or is she right, am I insane?

Buy the food, and throw away the receipts. You can stock up on a few months supply of dry and canned goods for a few hundred dollars - this does not have to be a decision where you consult her. Before you buy, look collect the fliers for your local supermarkets and drugstores. Last weekend, I bought 60 cans of albacore tuna for 60 cents each from Walgreens, and a hundred cans of canned fruits and vegetables for 33 to 50 cents each. Bottled water for $4 per 24 pack. Wait until you can get these kind of prices.

Tip: before you stock up on survival food, do your homework as to what kind of foods are best for storage. Tomato based acidic stuff does not last as long.

As for the gold, that is a bigger investment and will require more convincing on your part. Do not give in. I have been working on my immediate family for a while now, and they recently took my advice and invested a portion of their assets into PM.
 
I've been trying to explain to my wife recently that we really need to further diversify our assets by buying gold, stocking up on food/essentials, and possibly shifting some of our retirement funds to Europacific? I've tried every rational angle. The "you can beat the rising inflation by stocking up" angle. The "further diversification of our assets, including currency" angle. She just dismisses it as me being a doom and gloomer and that I'm off the deep end and she won't take the time to become informed or let me inform her. How have some of you dealt with an unresponsive significant other? Or is she right, am I insane?


Get Peter Schiff's book, "Crash Proof". Highlight the stuff you want her to know. He wrote the book 3 years ago and published it almost 2 years ago. He predicts this whole thing. On page 136 he talks about Fannie and Freddie going under - TWO years ago! And that's just ONE prediction he makes that has come true. The man knows his shit! Have her watch a few of the old u-tube interviews from a year ago where everyone is laughing at him and calling him Dr. Doom. Once she realizes that he's right about the economy, she'll want to put his advice into practice. Explain to her that everything you intend to do is NOT risky at all. Even if he's dead wrong and nothing happens, your investment in food, supplies, PMs, etc. is safe and sound and not a waste.
 
I've tried every angle except the: run around the house screaming "we're all gonna die!!!"angle.

Seriously, I have tried every angle I can think of. She's gotten pretty upset and dropped the "I'm just sick of talking about it" line a couple of times. Unfortunately, the money I'd like to transfer to Europacific is in her IRA from her previous job. I can't move my own 401k without being penalized. I have purchased some pm's and some supplies but not enough IMO. I'm just stumped as to how to get her to realize the magnitude of what we could be facing. And I have a young daughter to think of so I definitely tend to be extra cautious when it comes to her future.

have her read crash proof
 
You can't "convince" her. My girlfriend was the same way. She was laughing at me. Then a week ago she found out her best friend lost most of her income and is in the process of losing her home. And that 5 other people in her neighborhood (small gated community) are in foreclosure, and one just did a short sale. Only then did she come around.
I'm about as fair minded as you can get. I don't panic, I'm not extreme etc etc... But what I feel in my gut as to whats coming down the pike scares the piss out of me.
As someone just posted, survival takes precedence. Don't tell anyone what you have and where you have it.
 
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