My Last Post On The March Until The Official Word Is Given.

[Luft97]

I watched the video again just a few minutes ago to make sure I did not misunderstand what was said. It seemed to me that the idea was to bring publicity to the campaign to show our numbers and have a similar effect as the money bombs.

Those of you who say that this march is not about Ron Paul did not watch the same video released by the official campaign that I did.

I think a march is a great idea but if you ask me timing is critical, this needs to happen before the primary process is finished.

There has to be a reason this is happening. We have to have a clear goal. That goal is to get Ron Paul elected. The media will see it as such if we are well organized and we do it BEFORE the primaries are over.

I think doing it after is dangerous. There is no clear reason as to why we would should be there demonstrating. We do not want to appear as the farmers with pitchforks and torches, which is what we will look like with no clear goal. They could spin it any way they wanted.

It would only take a few government plants or even crazy minded supporters to turn it into a VERY bad situation for all.

I am all for CHANGE but please be smart about it. I was not happy at all about Alex Jones leading RP to say July 4th not to mention refering to US (His Supporters) as an army.

 

[PaulTriumph]

I think this is well-written and well-reasoned. RP did give the time frame of holding the march in about 3-4 months. He knows that this will be well after the bulk of the primaries are over. He repeated in the video that he believes there is very little chance to win the nomination as it currently stands. My thought is that he is planning the march in late Spring based on 2 factors:
a.) something unusual happens to re-open the nomination at that late stage
b.) May/June would provide a pivot point to mobilize his campaign and transition to a larger movement, perhaps in preparation for the convention and general election

 

[Lucid American]

Agreed. This is definitely geared toward putting a huge face on his campaign, which represents a larger movement. His specification that this take place soon enough to boost the campaign, however, indicates that this is to focus on his candidacy.

I think May 25th is the best date, considering it's a Sunday, sandwiched in between a Saturday and a holiday, it's the anniversary of when the Constitutional Congress convened to draft the Constitution, and it comes (I think) after college is out.

Unfortunately, it interferes with my attendance at a cousin's wedding, but May 25th's also my birthday, so I'm fully prepared to leverage that!

Another good date would be April 19th -- it's a Saturday and the anniversary of FDR announcing the move away from the gold standard. It gives over two months for planning and might line up with Spring Break -- not sure about that, though.

Either way, I think Dr. Paul's going to announce the date, so I guess he'll optimize it.

 

[Luft97]

Agreed. This is definitely geared toward putting a huge face on his campaign, which represents a larger movement. His specification that this take place soon enough to boost the campaign, however, indicates that this is to focus on his candidacy.

I think May 25th is the best date, considering it's a Sunday, sandwiched in between a Saturday and a holiday, it's the anniversary of when the Constitutional Congress convened to draft the Constitution, and it comes (I think) after college is out.

Unfortunately, it interferes with my attendance at a cousin's wedding, but May 25th's also my birthday, so I'm fully prepared to leverage that!

Another good date would be April 19th -- it's a Saturday and the anniversary of FDR announcing the move away from the gold standard. It gives over two months for planning and might line up with Spring Break -- not sure about that, though.

Either way, I think Dr. Paul's going to announce the date, so I guess he'll optimize it.

I do like your idea for April 19th. It still leaves a few states left to vote. It could give us a big finish.


March 4, 2008
Ohio primary 88 Delegates
Rhode Island 20 Delegates
Texas 140 Delegates
Vermont 17 Delegates

March 11, 2008
Mississippi 39 Delegates

April 22, 2008
Pennsylvania 74 Delegates

May 6, 2008
Indiana 57 Delegates
North Carolina 69 Delegates

May 13, 2008
Nebraska 33 Delegates

May 20, 2008
Kentucky 45 Delegates
Oregon 30 Delegates

May 27, 2008
Idaho 32 Delegates

June 3, 2008
South Dakota primary 27 Delegates
New Mexico caucuses 32 Delegates

 

[PaulTriumph]

I think May 25th is the best date, considering it's a Sunday, sandwiched in between a Saturday and a holiday, it's the anniversary of when the Constitutional Congress convened to draft the Constitution, and it comes (I think) after college is out.

I know that there is lots of speculation on the date- and I know that whatever RP picks, we will roll with- but I agree w/May 25th. I think anytime in April/early May will KILL the college-age attendance, plus it can still be chilly in DC in April. But by late May, it should be beautiful outside. PLUS by holding it on the weekend of the 25th, we are close enough to Memorial Day to associate w/it while avoiding holiday crowds. Plus, we might rolleyes get some media coverage by getting a jump on Memorial Day. Hopefully there will be a solid focus to the event, and not a sprawling free-for-all all over the city.

 

[Cooter]

well if its may 25 i have tickets to a nascar (coca cola 600)race, but will sell them in a heartbeat to go to this march.

 

[PaulTriumph]

I do like your idea for April 19th. It still leaves a few states left to vote. It could give us a big finish.

Now this is a good idea. I do think late May would be best for weather/Memorial Day tie-ins, but I think we'd happily sacrifice a few degrees for a few delegates!!

 

[Luft97]

I know that there is lots of speculation on the date- and I know that whatever RP picks, we will roll with- but I agree w/May 25th. I think anytime in April/early May will KILL the college-age attendance, plus it can still be chilly in DC in April. But by late May, it should be beautiful outside. PLUS by holding it on the weekend of the 25th, we are close enough to Memorial Day to associate w/it while avoiding holiday crowds. Plus, we might rolleyes get some media coverage by getting a jump on Memorial Day. Hopefully there will be a solid focus to the event, and not a sprawling free-for-all all over the city.

I can say that anything after June 3rd I will not attend. The least of our worries is people that can't "make it" if these people are no shows because they are in school then they are summer soldiers / fair weather sailors.

I know all to well what can happen if you bring alot of people togather with no clear goal. Don't tell me that we are there to wake people up. That is not a goal.

If that is your intention what do you expect the outcome to be? If you "wake up" the nation what are people to do now that they have already cast thier votes?

 

[tamor]

This was sent to me through my meet-up group. We need to decide if we want it to be only for Ron Paul or for "freedom in general"

Moms for Ron Paul and Libertarian Moms Groups have been kicking around the date: April 19, 2008 (a Saturday).

April 19th 1775: Minutemen Capt John Parker orders not to fire unless fired upon. A shot is fired and the American revolution begins at the Lexington Common. That was the "shot heard round the world"

 

[Jaykzo]

Well no matter what this thing is named or what it eventually becomes, Ron Paul's name will be forever linked to it. Everyone will know that it originally started with him and his supporters.

 

[Evazan]

I really believe you guys are misinterpreting Ron Paul's message. Think about it this way, Ron Paul said 3-4 months. Let us say we do at the earliest date in that time frame, may 12th. That leaves 5 states left to vote. Now lets say that this rally of people that already support Ron Paul encourages everyone in those five remaining states to vote for Ron Paul and we win them all. Now we have a couple hundred more delegates in a convention that probably won't be brokered.

That is the best case scenario and is extremely unlikely. A more likely scenario for a May rally is we will get around 10,000-50,000 people there waving Ron Paul signs which will do nothing more then annoy the people who have already seen us waving Ron Paul signs on street corners.

Ron Paul is humble man and has stated many times this movement is not about him. While winning the white house was and still is a novel idea the primary reason he ran was to use his campaign as a stump to spread the ideals of freedom. By representing this as a restore the constitution march we will get just as many Ron Paul supporters but we won't be isolating those who have heard he is a "kook". Ron Paul will still be the keynote speaker of this march so his name will still get out there. We don't win supporters to our movement by waving signs in their face, we get them by teaching them about freedom.

Ron Paul understands this r3OVLution is not about one man, do you?

 

[boondoggle]

This was sent to me through my meet-up group. We need to decide if we want it to be only for Ron Paul or for "freedom in general"

Moms for Ron Paul and Libertarian Moms Groups have been kicking around the date: April 19, 2008 (a Saturday).

April 19th 1775: Minutemen Capt John Parker orders not to fire unless fired upon. A shot is fired and the American revolution begins at the Lexington Common. That was the "shot heard round the world"

Yeah, that and the FDR Gold Standard thing, which I didn't know about, makes April 19 a pretttttty good date. EXCEPT, I don't think it's a good date for the March. I think June is. That's a great day for a money bomb, maybe the ronpaulmeetupgroupchallenge.com's bomb, and, well, fireworks to "echo the shot heard 'round the world". That'd be fun to see different places around your town shooting off fireworks . . .

 

[PaulTriumph]

I can say that anything after June 3rd I will not attend. The least of our worries is people that can't "make it" if these people are no shows because they are in school then they are summer soldiers / fair weather sailors.

I know all to well what can happen if you bring alot of people togather with no clear goal. Don't tell me that we are there to wake people up. That is not a goal.

If that is your intention what do you expect the outcome to be? If you "wake up" the nation what are people to do now that they have already cast thier votes?

I'm just trying to speculate based on the 3-4 month timeframe Dr. Paul gave us. I agree that it seems late, but he mentioned this timeframe on purpose (for example, a march this weekend would not have worked out).

I have no inside info, but my best opinion is that we DO want a chance to attract the students/workers/summer soldiers and not just the 10% diehards who WOULD come to a march in February. We should always look for opportunities to wake people up and draw them in further, not exclude and push away.

It's a given that most of the primaries will be over by the time the march happens. When I menioned a "focus", I guess I was thinking about a centerpiece rally or speech (think the RP version of the MLK speech), hopefully with an announcement of a new policy action or goal. Hopefully circumstances will allow a window to the nomination at that point. But either way, this would be a good chance to transition to an ongoing viable road for the movement.

 

[Luft97]

Waiting until summer will not solve anything.

 

[Evazan]

I can say that anything after June 3rd I will not attend. The least of our worries is people that can't "make it" if these people are no shows because they are in school then they are summer soldiers / fair weather sailors.

I know all to well what can happen if you bring alot of people togather with no clear goal. Don't tell me that we are there to wake people up. That is not a goal.

If that is your intention what do you expect the outcome to be? If you "wake up" the nation what are people to do now that they have already cast thier votes?

If everyone had your attitude we would have a 0% chance of succeeding. Most people are people that work 3 jobs, people who don't watch the news, people who are brain washed by the news, and people who are just plain apathetic. This is the group of people we must win over. We have our strong support base and now we must use that to educate the rest of the population. These people aren't going to read about free markets and non-intervention online and they are certainly not going to skip class or work to attend a march for a candidate they know nothing about in frigid temperatures.

"Don't tell me that we are there to wake people up. That is not a goal."

What is our goal? Do you think that this march is going to somehow get us more votes in few states that still have more primaries?

"If that is your intention what do you expect the outcome to be? If you "wake up" the nation what are people to do now that they have already cast thier votes?"

It appears as if you need to "wake up." Most of the nation has voted already. If we could somehow get 500,000 people to march on Washington tomorrow for Ron Paul it most likely wouldn't change anything. The goal for this march is to show the government that there are still people in this country who support the constitution and believe in freedom. It isn't to somehow perform a miracle that puts RP in the white house.

"I can say that anything after June 3rd I will not attend. "

If people that will only attend in summer are fair weather soldiers what does that quote make you. Do you believe in freedom or Ron Paul? This may end for you after the primaries but I will continue fighting till the end.

 

[Ex Post Facto]

I really believe you guys are misinterpreting Ron Paul's message. Think about it this way, Ron Paul said 3-4 months. Let us say we do at the earliest date in that time frame, may 12th. That leaves 5 states left to vote. Now lets say that this rally of people that already support Ron Paul encourages everyone in those five remaining states to vote for Ron Paul and we win them all. Now we have a couple hundred more delegates in a convention that probably won't be brokered.

That is the best case scenario and is extremely unlikely. A more likely scenario for a May rally is we will get around 10,000-50,000 people there waving Ron Paul signs which will do nothing more then annoy the people who have already seen us waving Ron Paul signs on street corners.

Ron Paul is humble man and has stated many times this movement is not about him. While winning the white house was and still is a novel idea the primary reason he ran was to use his campaign as a stump to spread the ideals of freedom. By representing this as a restore the constitution march we will get just as many Ron Paul supporters but we won't be isolating those who have heard he is a "kook". Ron Paul will still be the keynote speaker of this march so his name will still get out there. We don't win supporters to our movement by waving signs in their face, we get them by teaching them about freedom.

Ron Paul understands this r3OVLution is not about one man, do you?

I agree, it's needs to be after the states have voted to show WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY.

 

[Gimme Some Truth]

Its about the message.

-Limited Government
-Low Taxes
-Following the constitution
-Liberty
-No aggressive ,pre-emptive , undeclared wars..

etc.

Alot of people like those ideals, but for some reason dont support Ron Paul (or any candidate for that matter). Yes, it should be heavily Ron Paul/his message on the day. But we need to encourage a big tent. I'd bet about 30% of the people who would turn up ,who did not support Ron Paul, would be turned into Ron Paul supporters from just this event. Its about gathering support as much as it is about showing our numbers. Showing our numbers is nice and all , but doesnt really do anything to further our fight.

.

 

[Luft97]

If everyone had your attitude we would have a 0% chance of succeeding......

"I can say that anything after June 3rd I will not attend. "

If people that will only attend in summer are fair weather soldiers what does that quote make you. Do you believe in freedom or Ron Paul? This may end for you after the primaries but I will continue fighting till the end.

I'm glad you think so. I believe in reality. A political rally is working for a positive cause. A demonstration against the powers that be can easily be shown as a negative gathering by the media.

I plan on working my hardest to get Ron Paul elected to Congress or the White House.

It appears as if you need to "wake up." Most of the nation has voted already. If we could somehow get 500,000 people to march on Washington tomorrow for Ron Paul it most likely wouldn't change anything. The goal for this march is to show the government that there are still people in this country who support the constitution and believe in freedom. It isn't to somehow perform a miracle that puts RP in the white house.

Let me ask you again what course of action do you propose once your mission of "waking people up" is over? Inciting Riots? Revolution? Maybe they will remember 4 years from now and we can try again?

You have your opinion and I have mine. Last I looked at the top left hand corner of my page this was a forum for Grassroots Support for Ron Paul's 2008 Presidential Campaign. That means my interests are in getting Ron Paul as MANY votes as possible.

 

[flames2dust77]

I can say that anything after June 3rd I will not attend. The least of our worries is people that can't "make it" if these people are no shows because they are in school then they are summer soldiers / fair weather sailors.

Soooo, what does that statement make you? If you are as hardcore as you say you are....you would go regardless of the date. Don't claim to be a hardcore RP supporter then act like a baby if the date you want isn't what you get. If you refuse to go after June 3rd....I'm sure all of us fair weather piece of shit supporters will manage without you.

 

[wackybrak]

Waiting until summer will not solve anything.

Someone in this thread made the point that even if RP wins all those states after our march, a brokered convention is so unlikely it won't make a different. Ron Paul HIMSELF(!) has stated 3-4 months as being ideal. Why can't you accept that more people will come when they are able, like in June? You want to have fewer, more "diehard" supporters so you feel good about yourself?

It's about the sheer number of people we can get there. If we hold it sometime in June, I'll be happy to show up as my school will be finished. I guess I'm a summer soldier, and I'm willing to bet a lot that most of the college age kids in this campaign are "summer soldiers".