My Father, the Stubborn One

[rpwasright]

What you just described is my exact situation as well. My mom used to follow along with my dad regarding politics, but once I started talking to her about it, she got completely behind him.

My dad, too, agrees with him on most things other than foreign policy. The phrase "talking to a wall" you used, though, couldn't describe it better. Once I present logic that he's unable to even attempt to refute regarding Ron's foreign policy, his response is one of the following: ad hominem, says "I don't wanna hear it" and turns up the volume on the TV, or walks out of the room. "He doesn't have a chance" and "he's unelectable" are also popular mantras, regardless of how irrelevant they are to the discussion.

I seriously doubt I'll ever be able to change his mind. I've exhausted every angle of debate I can think of. Something tells me that even if I were to convince him deep down, he would never admit it. He's that stubborn.

Wow thats like looking into a mirror. Its amazing how much that sounds like my dad. I tell him things like (because he's a big Perry guy) you do know that Perry was on Al Gore's campaign or how he supported Hillarycare and that's verbatim what I get "I don't want to hear it". You don't want to hear the negatives about the man you want as President? How ridiculous.

 

[Working Poor]

Funny I am having trouble converting my son to Ron Paul

 

[rpwasright]

That actually might work if I could somehow plant the seed of mistrust in the great Fox News Network. The guy is so stubborn I don't think he'd admit it even if I did convince him. But Orielly/Fox News is the big obstacle in my way.

 

[rpwasright]

Funny I am having trouble converting my son to Ron Paul

Really I find the younger generation (like all my cousins) to be easy to convert. They usually all realize its all coming crashing down and we get to pick up the pieces for the rest of our lives. You might want to turn him onto Peter Schiff's comments about Ford in the early 20th century. And how they were making $2500 a week compared to now around a 5th of that and how that's because of the Fed and losing all links to gold. Every new Generation for the past century has slowly became less and less wealthy.

 

[BlueFloyd]

Fuck your father, tell him to pull his stupid head out of his ass...or is the federal reserve pimps have their dick too far up his ass?

He he

 

[Fr0m_3ur0pe]

Show him all downsides of Romney. When he realises how bad choice Romney is, there is nothing but Paul left to him.

 

[king_nothing_]

Wow thats like looking into a mirror. Its amazing how much that sounds like my dad. I tell him things like (because he's a big Perry guy) you do know that Perry was on Al Gore's campaign or how he supported Hillarycare and that's verbatim what I get "I don't want to hear it". You don't want to hear the negatives about the man you want as President? How ridiculous.

lol, wow. My dad likes Perry too, despite the fact that I repeatedly mention the same bad qualities about him as you just did (and others).

This is getting eerie.

 

[TruckinMike]

Show him these. It is a good start.

Great Speeches Warned Us of Our Future

1961 speech Eisenhower Warns us of New World Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8wwMFmCeE&feature=related


Major General Smedley D. Butler
WAR IS A RACKET
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm




President John F Kennedy Secret Society Speech version 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces



Excerpt from Robert Welch Speech
1958 - Great Speech by Robert Welch Founder of John Birch Society

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLhidgtu12o

Great speech from the early 70's from a 1958 document, proof that what is happening today with our governments crazy spending, high taxes, and huge deficits are no accident. Poll-iticians are not blundering idiots like we are lead to believe, they just act well.


Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html


DavidDeGraw.org

The U.S. War Addiction: Funding Enemies to Maintain Trillion Dollar Racket
http://www.alternet.org/story/14721..._maintain_trillion_dollar_racket/?page=entire

The Crash, the Depression, and the Coup d’etat
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/41336.html

Full Report: The Economic Elite Vs. The People of the United States of America
http://www.ampedstatus.com/full-rep...s-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/


Smedley Butler on Interventionism
http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm
-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.
War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

+rep -- no time for dilly-dallying around!!

The ONLY way* is to destroy their trust in government -- show them the truth. After all, that is exactly how many Paul supporters became Paul supporters. Remember Freedom to Fascism? That vid was making more rounds than a New Orleans whore at Mardi Gras.

These Bush-like supporters believe in their government. Show them that its not their government. These are the same folks that think the pledge of Allegiance was penned by our founding fathers, and think Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack. Its time to go full blown Alex Jones on them -- there is no time left for softball education tactics.


TMike

* ok, its not the only way

 

[Paulatized]

Don’t know if this would help but this is how I defend my support of Ron Paul in the face of almost all critics, especially the “He can’t win” argument.

Ask him if he supports the form of government our founders gave us? (Constitutional Republic) and does he believe that it is the law of the land?

Does he believe the Constitution should be the guiding principle by which we are governed? And in that light that we are a nation based on the rule of law rather than the rule of man?

That our federal government should operate based on the guidelines set up by the Constitution?

If yes, then point out that Ron Paul is the ONLY person running that truly respects the Constitution and uses a strict Constitutional standard when determining his stance on governmental policy (domestic or foreign, economic or social) and will thereby protect the foundation upon which our nation was established and has a voting record to back it up. And that that is the reason why he has been consistent with his opinions for the last 30 years and why he takes the stands he takes. And that this is the reason he sometimes sounds out of line with establishment type Republicans because they test the wind to see what the popular opinion currently is to determine their talking points of the day because votes are more important to them that the rule of law, they are in it for power, influence and money. Ron Paul stands on principal and is in it to save our form of government which was instituted to protect our natural rights and give us the freedom to live our lives as we choose.

Does he want to live in a nation governed by the rule of law (Constitution) or the rule of man (Democracy)?

And because you love our country and respect the Constitution as the law of the land Ron Paul is the only one you can vote for President.

Maybe, if he has a shred of independent thinking in him, it will, in time, give him a cause to question his current engrained reasoning…

Tell him, just check it out, that's all you ask...