My email from Frank Luntz

[nosebruise]

Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with. Because this is to be asserted in general of men, that they are ungrateful, fickle, false, cowardly, covetous, and as long as you succeed they are yours entirely; they will offer you their blood, property, life and children, as is said above, when the need is far distant; but when it approaches they turn against you. And that prince who, relying entirely on their promises, has neglected other precautions, is ruined; because friendships that are obtained by payments, and not by greatness or nobility of mind, may indeed be earned, but they are not secured, and in time of need cannot be relied upon; and men have less scruple in offending one who is beloved than one who is feared, for love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails.

what in the world are you talking about. your views are incredibly polar. there isn't a need for intimidation. if anything actively seeking for them to fear us will cause more animosity.

 

[David805]

Well behaved citizens will never change the world.

A armed society is a polite society one.. (Who says "Armed" has to mean Weapons. Why not honesty and integrity)

Well behaved citizens are puppets and sheeple. (At least in the definition of Well behaved i use)

Def Well behaved = People who do not think for themselves

 

[Marc3579]

Ummm.... Right, and parroting Penn will win over people right? As stated, being polar will only lead to more animosity toward the message of freedom. Well behaved people do think for themselves.

 

[PC_for_Paul]

A armed society is a polite society one.. (Who says "Armed" has to mean Weapons. Why not honesty and integrity)

Well behaved citizens are puppets and sheeple. (At least in the definition of Well behaved i use)

Def Well behaved = People who do not think for themselves

Too Late, I think the term "fuck you frank" has already been coined into an act of civil disobedience.

if we can continue to raise the kind of money we have, it may end up that we are asking the GOP if they want to run with us in Nov, not weather we will run with them.

 

[livinitup]

I think the Campaign should contact Penn and Teller and have them make a G rated version of the fuck you frank skit. Then run it as an official campaign commercial during the next debate. This would expose Frank for the snake in the grass that he is. Under federal law, a network can't refuse a candidate airtime for his commercials. Now I don't know what it would cost to get that airtime, but I think it would be worth every last dime.

Can anyone say FF MoneyBomb?

 

[nosebruise]

Too Late, I think the term "fuck you frank" has already been coined into an act of civil disobedience.

if we can continue to raise the kind of money we have, it may end up that we are asking the GOP if they want to run with us in Nov, not weather we will run with them.

i have NO problems with "fuck you, frank" until its associated with ron paul by proxy of his supporters.

i will GLADLY yell "FUCK YOU" to frank luntz, but i'll never do it if im ever around anything that can remotely link me to ron paul, as it has nothing to do with ron, or his movement. it's solely my personal opinion and distaste for that POS, and I never want to reflect that opinion on ron because he would definitely disapprove and i dont want to tarnish his image. those are penn and teller's words, not ron's.




sadly i dont think i could yell that at him anymore anyway, because i get the feeling so many ron supporters have already done it, its already associated with ron supporters.

 

[MAGICKAL]

No Luntz, it's people like you who are scary, you'd sell your soul for a dollar.

How does it feel to be part of the biggest war propaganda machine there is Frank?

Do the faces of the dead ever haunt you? Do you jump up from your sleep in a cold sweat?

You could change that Frank, you could do what is right.

 

[John P Slevin]

no conscience

No Luntz, it's people like you who are scary, you'd sell your soul for a dollar.

How does it feel to be part of the biggest war propaganda machine there is Frank?

Do the faces of the dead ever haunt you? Do you jump up from your sleep in a cold sweat?

You could change that Frank, you could do what is right.

If it's fun to poke at Frank, go ahead, have big fun. It neither hurts nor helps the cause, but everyone needs fun.

Cold sweats and bad dreams?

Conscience doesn't enter into it. It's about making a buck. Luntz doesn't go about his day consumed with thoughts about folks fighting and dying. He makes money, watches TV, eats and sleeps without a thought about the suffering his clients promote.

Not a whole lot different than so many Americans.

 

[RonPaulblican]

I hate to say it, but I agree with him on this one. While we all agree he's a lying hack, publicly accosting him and making his life miserable do nothing to help Ron Paul; on the contrary, it hurts Dr. Paul's message, because now there's plenty of ammunition to paint RP supporters as kooks. Take a deep breath and think before you act, people.

I agree. You catch more bees with honey than vinegar.

 

[RevolutionSD]

First of all I have to wonder what these so-called threats consist of.

Glenn Beck claims he had threats on his life and had to hire a swat team to protect him and his family.

Now Luntz claims threats.

Overwhelmingly, the RP supporters I have met have been polite and respectful. I'm sure there are a few bad apples among us, but I think these guys are misusing the term "threats".

"Fuck You Frank" is not a threat.
Telling someone they are an asshole is not a threat.

A threat is when you tell someone you are going to kill them, hurt them, or do something their loved ones.

I doubt Frank Luntz is experiencing threats from any legitimate Paul supporters. If he or Beck are seriously being threatened, why don't they produce these emails or voicemails?

It's absurd, and the Fuck You Frank slogan is 100% appropriate here.

 

[ChowDog]

i have NO problems with "fuck you, frank" until its associated with ron paul by proxy of his supporters.

i will GLADLY yell "FUCK YOU" to frank luntz, but i'll never do it if im ever around anything that can remotely link me to ron paul, as it has nothing to do with ron, or his movement. it's solely my personal opinion and distaste for that POS, and I never want to reflect that opinion on ron because he would definitely disapprove and i dont want to tarnish his image. those are penn and teller's words, not ron's.




sadly i dont think i could yell that at him anymore anyway, because i get the feeling so many ron supporters have already done it, its already associated with ron supporters.

Amen. People, like myself, are angered over others in this race, but simply telling someone "fuck you" is just childish and stupid in MHO.

It's negative to Dr. Paul's cause and doesn't help anything.

I sure wish most on this board, which I joined because I am VERY passionate about the cause and his being elected, would just stop this stupid bashing and get on with ideas to help his election.

 

[acroso]

I just sent him a FU Frank lolol

 

[ddoggphx]

I think it is smarter to go this route; I sent him this the other day. Maybe it's just me.

Hi Frank,

I saw online where someone said they emailed you and you responded and said that you like Paul, but think his supporters are rude and abrasive.

I just want to remind you that not all of us are. I'm a 34 year old Republican in AZ, and my wife is 30 and republican. Both of us are voting for Paul. We are both moderate Republicans, and I lean very libertarian on many issues. Both of us are very fiscally conservative. We feel that Paul is the only real conservative in the race and are voting for him and have donated to his campaign.

It is unfortunate that so many of his supporters can't conduct themselves in public with any dignity and are rude and obnoxious. Chasing down Sean Hannity with snowballs, while good for a laugh, isn't really good behavior to model and only paints a bad picture for the rest of us...(though Hannity and his ire for Paul himself is a big turnoff, and has lost him fans as well...my wife for one).

Not all of us are like the ones who confront you, yell FU Frank like Penn & Teller advised, or act ridiculous. A great, great many of us are fiscal conservative, small-government minded individuals who see a candidate with great ideals and message. Please don't lump us all together. Please don't color Dr. Paul by his supporters.

It is quite upsetting to see people who know the two of us support Dr. Paul try wondering if we are some crazy zealots because of the high profile actions of a group of his supporters. I think some of his supporters do more harm than good.

My only request is that if you happen to mention the crazies on air, to please remember people like my wife and me and try to make it clear that it isn't even a vast majority of Paul supporters going over the line...and that there are several highly intelligent conservative voters out there who understand and agree with Dr. Paul's message.

Thanks for listening

 

[Sesshomaru]

Whats his email?

I think we should contact him with messages like ddogphx. If he sees the stream of moderation, then perhaps he can change his opinion.

The fact of the matter is that we really have to turn another cheek when corresponding with these people. Jesus and Dr. King both showed the power of this. Its fine to vent here, but in the public sphere we need to show our rational and creative strength.

Remember, even people who are not deep in the movement are seeing how badly fox is treating Paul. We need to take the high ground and work on spreading the word and the movement rather than fighting at the sidelines.

 

[Ara825]

FUK YOU FRANK, I got me a dozen eggs for all them fox fuks! No more nice guy. i think we wore too nice and we got fuked too long by that shity corrupt news empire

Bad idea, it would be assult, you would be arrested, you would go to jail, you would be tased bro!

 

[Ara825]

A armed society is a polite society one.. (Who says "Armed" has to mean Weapons. Why not honesty and integrity)

I believe that the greatest weapon available to anyone is knowledge.

 

[Victor]

Send him this video...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=159053218219104169&hl=en

That should open Luntz's eyes. And remember always be polite!

 

[painter4Ron Paul]

okey dokkey

 

[Sesshomaru]

I sent the following email based off what someone else wrote here:

Dear Frank,

I saw online where someone said they emailed you and you responded and said that you like Dr. Ron Paul, but think his supporters are rude and abrasive.

I just want to remind you that not all of us are. I'm a 26 year old Republican grad student in MD . Im voting for Paul because Im getting my PhD in Economics and its refreshing to see a candidate who actually proposes what I (and others) research. As an economist, I am very
fiscally conservative and realize the gross accounting and economic ramifications that our current government is taking. I feel that Paul is the only real conservative and understands the economic future of this country. As such, I have donated to his campaign and grassroots organizations and will vote for him.

It is unfortunate that so many of his supporters can't conduct themselves in public with any dignity and are rude and obnoxious. I have criticized fellow supporters for chasing down Sean Hannity with snowballs, because it only paints a bad picture for the rest of us.

Not all of us are like the ones who confront you, yell FU Frank like Penn & Teller advised, or act ridiculous. A great, great many of us are fiscal conservative, small-government minded individuals who see a
candidate with great ideals and message. Please don't lump us all together. Please don't color Dr. Paul by his supporters because its the message that is important.

It is quite upsetting to see people who know the two of us support Dr. Paul try wondering if we are some crazy zealots because of the high profile actions of a group of his supporters. I think some of his supporters do more harm than good.

Whether you agree with Paul's views is your business, but my only request is that if you happen to mention the crazies on air, to please remember people like me try to make it clear that it isn't even a vast majority of Paul supporters going over the line...and that there are
several highly intelligent conservative voters out there who understand and agree with Dr. Paul's message.

Thanks for listening

And few minutes later I got the following response:

Hang in there. That was a very nice email.
Sent from my blackberry.

Guys I really think this is one of those moments where you can 'kill them with kindness.' If he gets a lot of positive emails, he might not be so abrasive to RP due to RP supporters taking a higher ground.

 

[ddoggphx]

I sent the following email based off what someone else wrote here:



And few minutes later I got the following response:



Guys I really think this is one of those moments where you can 'kill them with kindness.' If he gets a lot of positive emails, he might not be so abrasive to RP due to RP supporters taking a higher ground.

You owe me a nickel.