MUST SEE VIDEO: Ron Paul Winning Nomination - Delegate Doubters Please Watch

Something else to remember... Supporters bound as Romney delegates can ABSTAIN during the first round of voting.

Question to the convention experts: If Romney collects 1144 delegates before all the states have gone, will there still be a convention or does he automatically win? If there is a convention, supporters bound as his delegates could abstain and keep him from getting the 1144 and then vote Ron Paul in subsequent rounds. Is this plausible?
 
Actually that is incorrect. If Paul had 1144 of his people in delegate slots but 500 of them are bound to Romney for the first ballot, and Romney has the remaining number needed then he wins the nomination on the first ballot

Not if they abstain during the first round.
 
Something else to remember... Supporters bound as Romney delegates can ABSTAIN during the first round of voting.

Question to the convention experts: If Romney collects 1144 delegates before all the states have gone, will there still be a convention or does he automatically win? If there is a convention, supporters bound as his delegates could abstain and keep him from getting the 1144 and then vote Ron Paul in subsequent rounds. Is this plausible?


Regarding the first point: is that confirmed or is it just forum speculation. It is my understanding that if a delegate breaks state rules, they can be removed and replaced with an alternate.

And on the second point: Yes there is always a convention. Both parties essentially use the convention as a big commercial for their candidate. However, there is serious business done there, such as the shaping of the platform, which I believe the libertarians will have a lot of influence in this time.
 
All of those look like filing deadlines for primary elections, not the general election. Am I missing something?

I am about 90% sure the ones that state "filing deadline" are for the general. I'll look up a couple on the state's site to confirm. Give me a few minutes to look
 
Let it be heard: The GOP can't win without us. If they want to throw a curveball at Obama then bring on Ron Paul because he and Obama are COMPLETE opposites of each other.
 
ok so that shows me that there is no 3rd party run if he holds out to the convension which means its the GOP or bust
 
Actually that is incorrect. If Paul had 1144 of his people in delegate slots but 500 of them are bound to Romney for the first ballot, and Romney has the remaining number needed then he wins the nomination on the first ballot
Of all my post and information that is the one thing you respond to? :confused:

Let me clarify I wasn't talking about "stealth" delegates who have infiltrated under another banner. If you are including them as part of the tally then yes both cases are technically separate however case 3 that I presented still applies and is still becoming mathematically more probable.
Read:
Real Clear Politics direct link

And tell me what in each of these analysis's you find to be factually unsound. (They are projections of course so there's that, but everything is right now. Beyond that I found some flaws myself but things like the AP News delegate projection being used actually helps Pauls situation rather than hurts it)

Bonus: Romneys REAL hard support :rolleyes:
 
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Better source: http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2012/2012pdates.pdf

That's the one I originally saw. Had to go through my history

Hmm... It looks like most of the Independent filing deadlines are in August and unfortunately the GOP convention is at the end of August.

This statement is in the document regarding Independent filing dates:

The column Independent Filing Deadline shows the date for the filing of petitions by independent or third/minor party candidates. This is a general reference date for use by the public and voters. Candidates and others seeking specific information should contact the states for other deadlines that may need to be met. For example, the petitions may have to be checked by officials prior to this date. A declaration of candidacy may be due before the petitions are due. New parties may have different deadlines.

Anyone know what that means? Based on the list it appears most of the independent filing dates are in August and since the GOP convention is at the end of August, it wouldn't be very good for us.

But anyway, we should keep our eyes and become delegates.
 
This video was a waste of 19minutes...

-He starts off the video by pointing out that there's so many people in the GOP, especially at the local levels, because they are Ron Paul supporters- Well that means the GOP takeover is working...GREAT!

But, then he loses me...

-He starts talking about how if Ron loses the nomination and runs 3rd party he'll be the 1st 3rd party candidate to ever win the Presidency. He points out how even Jesse Ventura said this isn't possible and then never gives an actual LEGITIMATE reason as to why Ron would win other than he has so much crossover support.

-His argument for Ron being able to win the Presidency as a 3rd party is that he takes so many GOP votes and so many Dem votes that he'd be able to win.

Ummmm think about this logically folks... even if Ron Paul took 33% of the GOP with him (ain't going to happen) and even if Ron Paul took 33% of the Dems with him (ain't going to happen) he'd still only end up with 33% of the popular vote.

Even if he won a couple of states how in the hell is he going to get 270 electoral votes? It's like this guy thinks Ron just has to win the popular vote to win the POTUS.

THEN to make matters even more ridiculous he continues to point out at the end of the video that Ron has so much GOP support that if he took it with him it would destroy the party (If that was true he'd be winning right now) but let's just say that it is actually true for the sake of argument... UMMM why in the world would Ron jeopardize this great infiltration within the GOP just for an INDY shot at the POTUS when it's not possible to win?!!?!

IF he truly has so much of the "New Establishment" on his side then he should stick with the GOP so those people aren't ostracized later, as the Old Establishment dies the New will be there to take their place.

If you run 3rd party and lose ( 3rd parties can't win, get over it, get over the idea it's ridiculous) then ALL of the "New Establishment" support will NEVER be accepted into the GOP again. People who try to run as Ron Paul Republicans will be destroyed because Paul showed his true colors at the end, his son will NEVER get a shot at the nomination if he tries later on, his son's attempts to continue to take back the GOP will be futile.

Almost everything he says in this video is absurd...

A 3rd party run kills everything Ron has built over the last 5 years, it screws over every libertarian-republican from here on out, it ruins his son's chances, it kills the movement and moves it back to the fringes of the libertarian party.

And, newsflash, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell Ron would get 270 electoral votes.

At the very best he could win a couple of states, cause no one to get 270, and force John Boehner to pick the POTUS (Gee.. I wonder who he'd pick :rolleyes: )

If Ron truly has such an incredible amount of local and county support than the goal should be building that support up from the grassroots and taking back control of the GOP from the Neo-Cons and Diet-Democrats... this will lead the way for Rand and the entire liberty movement... it will be considerably easier to win with Rand if the GOP is split between Libertarians and Neo-Cons.

A 3rd party run literally ruins everything, people need to get over it, they need to get over it now.

The goal should always and forever be a GOP takeover, this will launch the movement to places it's never been and will absolutely never be in a 3rd party.

All the 3rd party does is split up the GOP and cause the Democrats to control the government forever. It's ludicrous on so many different levels...
 
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This video was a waste of 19minutes...

-He starts off the video by pointing out that there's so many people in the GOP, especially at the local levels, because they are Ron Paul supporters- Well that means the GOP takeover is working...GREAT!

But, then he loses me...

-He starts talking about how if Ron loses the nomination and runs 3rd party he'll be the 1st 3rd party candidate to ever win the Presidency. He points out how even Jesse Ventura said this isn't possible and then never gives an actual LEGITIMATE reason as to why Ron would win other than he has so much crossover support.

-His argument for Ron being able to win the Presidency as a 3rd party is that he takes so many GOP votes and so many Dem votes that he'd be able to win.

Ummmm think about this logically folks... even if Ron Paul took 33% of the GOP with him (ain't going to happen) and even if Ron Paul took 33% of the Dems with him (ain't going to happen) he'd still only end up with 33% of the popular vote.

Even if he won a couple of states how in the hell is he going to get 270 electoral votes? It's like this guy thinks Ron just has to win the popular vote to win the POTUS.

THEN to make matters even more ridiculous he continues to point out at the end of the video that Ron has so much GOP support that if he took it with him it would destroy the party (If that was true he'd be winning right now) but let's just say that it is actually true for the sake of argument... UMMM why in the world would Ron jeopardize this great infiltration within the GOP just for an INDY shot at the POTUS when it's not possible to win?!!?!

IF he truly has so much of the "New Establishment" on his side then he should stick with the GOP so those people aren't ostracized later, as the Old Establishment dies the New will be there to take their place.

If you run 3rd party and lose ( 3rd parties can't win, get over it, get over the idea it's ridiculous) then ALL of the "New Establishment" support will NEVER be accepted into the GOP again. People who try to run as Ron Paul Republicans will be destroyed because Paul showed his true colors at the end, his son will NEVER get a shot at the nomination if he tries later on, his son's attempts to continue to take back the GOP will be futile.

Almost everything he says in this video is absurd...

A 3rd party run kills everything Ron has built over the last 5 years, it screws over every libertarian-republican from here on out, it ruins his son's chances, it kills the movement and moves it back to the fringes of the libertarian party.

And, newsflash, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell Ron would get 270 electoral votes.

At the very best he could win a couple of states, cause no one to get 270, and force John Boehner to pick the POTUS (Gee.. I wonder who he'd pick :rolleyes: )

If Ron truly has such an incredible amount of local and county support than the goal should be building that support up from the grassroots and taking back control of the GOP from the Neo-Cons and Diet-Democrats... this will lead the way for Rand and the entire liberty movement... it will be considerably easier to win with Rand if the GOP is split between Libertarians and Neo-Cons.

A 3rd party run literally ruins everything, people need to get over it, they need to get over it now.

The goal should always and forever be a GOP takeover, this will launch the movement to places it's never been and will absolutely never be in a 3rd party.

All the 3rd party does is split up the GOP and cause the Democrats to control the government forever. It's ludicrous on so many different levels...

Become a delegate and get other people to become delegates and we won't have to worry about a third party option.
 
Hmm... It looks like most of the Independent filing deadlines are in August and unfortunately the GOP convention is at the end of August.

This statement is in the document regarding Independent filing dates:

The column Independent Filing Deadline shows the date for the filing of petitions by independent or third/minor party candidates. This is a general reference date for use by the public and voters. Candidates and others seeking specific information should contact the states for other deadlines that may need to be met. For example, the petitions may have to be checked by officials prior to this date. A declaration of candidacy may be due before the petitions are due. New parties may have different deadlines.

Anyone know what that means? Based on the list it appears most of the independent filing dates are in August and since the GOP convention is at the end of August, it wouldn't be very good for us.

But anyway, we should keep our eyes and become delegates.


Can the Independents Column refer to those running for Congress, and not applicable to presidential candidates from an Independent Party? The title says 2012 Congressional...
 
Become a delegate and get other people to become delegates and we won't have to worry about a third party option.

6-12- Illinois picks 12 unbound delegates to send to Tampa. I'll be showing up as a stealth delegate for sure.

The rest of the field I have to vote for next Tuesday- they were choosen back in December.

I'm doing everything I can, but people need to get over the 3rd party idea. It's exactly what the Neo-Cons want us to do... walk right back into the obscurity that is the 3rd party spectrum.
 
This guy on the vid is absolutely right!
We have a 2 Shot opportunity!

If we don't get the nomination (which i personally think we have a REAL shot at 1st Vote) we have a lot more delegates than ppl really realize, i was a delegate in 07 when there wasn't much ground game education and organization for delegate process. Night and day compared from 07 to now.

Our delegates should go to convention Vote Paul period unbound or not every round if we don't win then we walk down to the stage and submit our withdrawals from the GOP in MASS right then and there!

Then we go 3rd party independent and win it !
The 3rd party scenerio can get Paul the POTUS !
Why?

Think about it.
Good ole MSM actually has done 1 Really good thing for us.
They have Driven the point home to the Masses that RP supporters are VERY loyal!

All we have to do is come together and demonstrate that to the world!

first by :

"if we don't win then we walk down to the stage and submit our withdrawals from the GOP in MASS right then and there!"
then Dr Paul runs 3rd party

now you have 3 ppl in the POTUS RACE.
Then Romney Supporters and GOP have to make a choice.
Loose the election and any hopes of growth of the Party from us now or future.

Or make obama POTUS !

They all say anyone of them is better then Obama.

We simple create the situation for Dr Paul to be the only Option !
Perot was the biggest 3rd party in my lifetime who got what 30% of the vote.
I Think in the scenerio above we could do much better than he did and take this thing ONCE AND FOR ALL !

At the Very Least we would make History and give hope to the apathetic Masses that a 3rd party can win!


Paul:

Poll Vs obama = #1
has a loyal supporter base within GOP that are not party 1st! (no-one but Paul)
gets independents
democrats
True conservative Republicans
 
6-12- Illinois picks 12 unbound delegates to send to Tampa. I'll be showing up as a stealth delegate for sure.

The rest of the field I have to vote for next Tuesday- they were choosen back in December.

I'm doing everything I can, but people need to get over the 3rd party idea. It's exactly what the Neo-Cons want us to do... walk right back into the obscurity that is the 3rd party spectrum.

Awesome on the delegate stuff!!

You have a point about the neocons...
 
This guy on the vid is absolutely right!
We have a 2 Shot opportunity!

If we don't get the nomination (which i personally think we have a REAL shot at 1st Vote) we have a lot more delegates than ppl really realize, i was a delegate in 07 when there wasn't much ground game education and organization for delegate process. Night and day compared from 07 to now.

Our delegates should go to convention Vote Paul period unbound or not every round if we don't win then we walk down to the stage and submit our withdrawals from the GOP in MASS right then and there!

Then we go 3rd party independent and win it !
The 3rd party scenerio can get Paul the POTUS !
Why?

Think about it.
Good ole MSM actually has done 1 Really good thing for us.
They have Driven the point home to the Masses that RP supporters are VERY loyal!

All we have to do is come together and demonstrate that to the world!

first by :

"if we don't win then we walk down to the stage and submit our withdrawals from the GOP in MASS right then and there!"
then Dr Paul runs 3rd party

now you have 3 ppl in the POTUS RACE.
Then Romney Supporters and GOP have to make a choice.
Loose the election and any hopes of growth of the Party from us now or future.

Or make obama POTUS !

They all say anyone of them is better then Obama.

We simple create the situation for Dr Paul to be the only Option !
Perot was the biggest 3rd party in my lifetime who got what 30% of the vote.
I Think in the scenerio above we could do much better than he did and take this thing ONCE AND FOR ALL !

At the Very Least we would make History and give hope to the apathetic Masses that a 3rd party can win!


Paul:

Poll Vs obama = #1
has a loyal supporter base within GOP that are not party 1st! (no-one but Paul)
gets independents
democrats
True conservative Republicans

Check election rules. If Ron Paul barely wins the presidency by more than 5% of the votes, both the republicans and democrats congressmen get to decide the outcome of the election. Beside, if you think the MSM is treating Dr. Paul badly, think of the complete utterly denial of Ron Paul's existence once Dr. Paul goes third party.
 
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