MUST SEE VIDEO: Ron Paul Winning Nomination - Delegate Doubters Please Watch

[NoOneButPaul]

We can still win this without a states primary win??????

I believe the rule is we just have to take the majority of the delegates from a state- that is counted as a win.

All things considered I think we're guaranteed at least 1 win in one of the caucus states.

 

[tbone717]

I believe the rule is we just have to take the majority of the delegates from a state- that is counted as a win.

All things considered I think we're guaranteed at least 1 win in one of the caucus states.

Not to nit pick but it is a plurality of delegates, not a majority. And it is 5 states that he needs in order to be nominated from the floor. The rule is in place to prevent someone like Perry being nominated from the floor because two of his buddies from TX just happen to be RNC delegates.

 

[tbone717]

Can the Independents Column refer to those running for Congress, and not applicable to presidential candidates from an Independent Party? The title says 2012 Congressional...

I am not entirely certain, but it does seem to jive with other info that I have seen. The best way to confirm the deadlines is to visit each individual state's dept of elections site and look for the deadline. Far too time consuming for something that is not likely to occur in the first place. Given that the RNC is in late Aug, I think it is pretty safe to assume that a good percentage of states will have their deadlines passed. And even if they didn't you would have to get signatures, file, get approval, etc - that is a massive undertaking to be done with very few hands out there willing and able to do the work.

 

[sailingaway]

Something else to remember... Supporters bound as Romney delegates can ABSTAIN during the first round of voting.

Question to the convention experts: If Romney collects 1144 delegates before all the states have gone, will there still be a convention or does he automatically win? If there is a convention, supporters bound as his delegates could abstain and keep him from getting the 1144 and then vote Ron Paul in subsequent rounds. Is this plausible?

I really doubt they can. I think most states say they VOTE for the candidate to whom they are bound, if they are bound, for as many rounds as they are bound.

 

[sailingaway]

I am not entirely certain, but it does seem to jive with other info that I have seen. The best way to confirm the deadlines is to visit each individual state's dept of elections site and look for the deadline. Far too time consuming for something that is not likely to occur in the first place. Given that the RNC is in late Aug, I think it is pretty safe to assume that a good percentage of states will have their deadlines passed. And even if they didn't you would have to get signatures, file, get approval, etc - that is a massive undertaking to be done with very few hands out there willing and able to do the work.

In California you only have to be well known, as determined by them, and I think they would jump at it, wrongly thinking it would help Obama. I looked at it last time around, just in case he wanted to go that way.

But I don't think it is going to happen.

 

[tbone717]

In California you only have to be well known, as determined by them, and I think they would jump at it, wrongly thinking it would help Obama. I looked at it last time around, just in case he wanted to go that way.

But I don't think it is going to happen.

I don't think so either. First is ballot access which I think closes the door. Then there is money - I don't think he can raise the 100's of millions needed for the general. And then you have the whole issue of ground support. Those of us that have been through this third party thing before, aren't thrilled with the prospects. It would be a hard sell to get someone like myself to commit volunteer hours to a campaign that has essentially no chance of winning, when there are other winnable contests that need people as well.

 

[PolicyReader]

Not to nit pick but it is a plurality of delegates, not a majority. And it is 5 states that he needs in order to be nominated from the floor. The rule is in place to prevent someone like Perry being nominated from the floor because two of his buddies from TX just happen to be RNC delegates.

FWIW this is in keeping with my understanding as well

 

[J_White]

thanks to the mod who banned him.
he has been trolling nearly every post !
i wonder how much Romney paid him or his employer.

I still just don't get how you see this turning out...even in the off chance it happens.

Is it that you really think Romney's supporters will accept defeat and vote for Ron Paul, even though they will feel that he stole the nomination? Because you know how the motto here is "Romney can't win without us"? well, Ron Paul can't win without Romney's supporters, who are more numerous.

So I still really don't see ANY upside to this, but plenty of downside. The BEST case scenario is a trouncing by Obama in the general election, which will hurt Ron Paul's reputation. And the worst is, that same trouncing, and the revenge that the GOP will take on Rand Paul and all Liberty candidates

 

[opinionatedfool]

Not to nit pick but it is a plurality of delegates, not a majority. And it is 5 states that he needs in order to be nominated from the floor. The rule is in place to prevent someone like Perry being nominated from the floor because two of his buddies from TX just happen to be RNC delegates.

The way it's looking in several states he'll have done that for sure.

 

[PolicyReader]

thanks to the mod who banned him.
he has been trolling nearly every post !
i wonder how much Romney paid him or his employer.

+rep

 

[anaconda]

has enough delegates at the convention to have influence over the VP nomination and/or the platform.

If Romney does not need any of Ron Paul's delegates to put him over 1144 at the convention, why would Ron Paul's delegates have any bargaining power whatsoever on the VP nomination or the platform? Please explain if you have a moment. If I may add, it seems to me that the "bargaining power" Ron Paul may have is in persuading his supporters to vote for the nominee incumbent on certain concessions from the GOP. But that has zero to do with delegates acquired.

 

[Magicman]

BREAKING NEWS: Ron Paul Winning Nomination (Either Way)!

 

[tbone717]

If Romney does not need any of Ron Paul's delegates to put him over 1144 at the convention, why would Ron Paul's delegates have any bargaining power whatsoever on the VP nomination or the platform? Please explain if you have a moment. If I may add, it seems to me that the "bargaining power" Ron Paul may have is in persuading his supporters to vote for the nominee incumbent on certain concessions from the GOP. But that has zero to do with delegates acquired.

As I see it, it is not so much bargaining power as it is a sign of strength, which results in influence. Let's say the voting continues pretty much as is for the remaining states and Paul averages about 10% of the popular vote, but winds up with 20% of the delegates - that shows some strength. The libertarian wing is the growing wing, the others (so-cons and neo-cons) are either stagnant or shrinking. They also take a look at what wing is making gains in Congress - again the libertarian wing is. So if you are the nominee, who would you want to extend an olive branch to?

 

[maskander]

it sounds like a good idea in theory, but you guys are right, in reality winning the republican nomination is the only way.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Why on earth is a thread like this on the open forum? The message being sent by the video is not helpful at all in winning over more Republican voters and just may do a lot of damage.

 

[rodo1776]

Is that not a ted Nugent song the guy plays in the video? Maybe he ought to remember that prick Ted Nugent endorsed Romney. He should change the music.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ted-nugent-endorses-mitt-romney-296595

 

[rockerrockstar]

What about Santorum and Gingrich's delegates switching to Romney? Don't you think that will help Romney. Not sure if it will be enough.

I do think there is a good chance Romney will not get enough delegates. At that point a second vote will happen and some of the votes will be unbound then. So Ron should pick up more votes. It could go to a third vote possibly. Not sure what happens if they can not reach enough votes for anyone. Who decides then if people will not switch votes? They could try to change the rules too.

 

[rockerrockstar]

Why on earth is a thread like this on the open forum? The message being sent by the video is not helpful at all in winning over more Republican voters and just may do a lot of damage.

I agree. I think this type of video could actually enrage the opposing voters and then they will try harder to make sure Ron Paul delegates don't get chosen for the national convention. They will do whatever they can to make sure they can rig it. Be careful what you put out there for the opposing candidates to use against Ron.

 

[tbone717]

What about Santorum and Gingrich's delegates switching to Romney? Don't you think that will help Romney. Not sure if it will be enough.

I do think there is a good chance Romney will not get enough delegates. At that point a second vote will happen and some of the votes will be unbound then. So Ron should pick up more votes. It could go to a third vote possibly. Not sure what happens if they can not reach enough votes for anyone. Who decides then if people will not switch votes? They could try to change the rules too.

The chances of Romney not getting enough delegates to win on the first ballot right now are somewhere around 50/50, probably less. If he manages to stop Newt today in MS and AL, then the chances of him getting the 1144 go up substantially.

 

[speciallyblend]

Ron Paul Winning Nomination(either way) Great Audio, Josh Tolley

Principle Loyal!! This is an awesome angle and no matter what folks say, no one knows what can play out either way! NOBP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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2 options for the gop in tampa ,Ron Paul or Obama!!!