Murray Rothbard Was A Racialist And A Nationalist

[Sola_Fide]

Beyond a small quantity, national heterogeneity simply does not work; the “nation” disintegrates into more than one nation, and the need for separation becomes acute.

We are now probably a lot more than two nations, and we had better start giving serious thought to national separation. To those who think that the main problem is restricting the number and types of immigration, the best answer is that such a policy is decades too late. We are already far more than one nation within the borders of the U.S.A., let alone worry about the immigrants. To greet the very raising of such questions with the mindless cry of “racism’ or “chauvinism’ misses the entire point.

We might not be able any longer to bring back the Old Republic across the entire land area of the 50 states. But we may be able to bring it back in a substantial part of that land area. We must dare to think the unthinkable.

-Murray Rothbard
http://www.amren.com/ar/1994/06/

 

[Sola_Fide]

Here is Murray Rothbard praising David Duke:

http://www.unz.org/Pub/RothbardRockwellReport-1992jan-00005

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Why would he do that? Wasn't he Jewish?

 

[Anti Federalist]

We are now probably a lot more than two nations, and we had better start giving serious thought to national separation. To those who think that the main problem is restricting the number and types of immigration, the best answer is that such a policy is decades too late. We are already far more than one nation within the borders of the U.S.A., let alone worry about the immigrants. To greet the very raising of such questions with the mindless cry of “racism’ or “chauvinism’ misses the entire point.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I don't see how the OP is racist (though I only read the quoted sections.) Liking David Duke might be a different matter, I know that Duke is generally regarded as racist though I don't actually know much about him at all.

 

[AuH20]

Being a racialist is a logical conclusion. There are distinct differences among races. However, I don't concern myself with racial differences when I propose policy. I am far more concerned with cultural impasses than IQ or general aptitude.

If I was deluded enough to create an intellectual superstate, I would limit the country to jews, but you can easily understand the folly of that proposition. Who would do the manual labor or the complex trade work?

 

[AuH20]

Murray was a great thinker because he integrated pure libertarian thought into the nitty, gritty nuts and bolts of life on this planet. He took his abstract model out into the field and tested it, while refining it along the way.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

If I was deluded enough to create an intellectual superstate, I would limit the country to jews, but you can easily understand the folly of that proposition. Who would do the manual labor or the complex trade work?

Jews are certainly capable of manual labor, I don't think that everyone in Israel is a banker.

 

[Jesse James]

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adjective
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  having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
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[Jesse James]

not seeing the racism. saying that American whites generally have a higher IQ than American blacks, or suggesting that American blacks are generally better athletes than American whites, is not racism.

this is the equivalent of what Mr. Rothbard said

 

[dannno]

Jews are certainly capable of manual labor, I don't think that everyone in Israel is a banker.

They are capable of it, they just tend to complain a lot.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e6wgb_south-park-jews-kyle-s-cousin_tv

 

[Sola_Fide]

rac·ist
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  a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
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adjective
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  having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
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I didn't use the word racist, so I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Sola_Fide]

not seeing the racism. saying that American whites generally have a higher IQ than American blacks, or suggesting that American blacks are generally better athletes than American whites, is not racism.

this is the equivalent of what Mr. Rothbard said

No, that's not the equivalent of what he said. He said there should be national separation along racial lines. Read the quotes again. There are several more too, if you would stop being a respecter of someone's name and pursued the truth at all costs.

 

[AuH20]

Jews are certainly capable of manual labor, I don't think that everyone in Israel is a banker.

But they generally frown upon manual labor because they consider such activities below their acumen.



That's why it was so demeaning when Hitler put them in forced labor camps.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Being a racialist is a logical conclusion. There are distinct differences among races. However, I don't concern myself with racial differences when I propose policy. I am far more concerned with cultural impasses than IQ or general aptitude.

If I was deluded enough to create an intellectual superstate, I would limit the country to jews, but you can easily understand the folly of that proposition. Who would do the manual labor or the complex trade work?

Murray was a great thinker because he integrated pure libertarian thought into the nitty, gritty nuts and bolts of life on this planet. He took his abstract model out into the field and tested it, while refining it along the way.

Rothbard was great because.....he rejected individualism and endorsed collectivism and nationalism? Wow.

On the one hand, I really think it's great that the Lew Rockwell crowd has showed their true colors, because it gives true libertarians another front to fight against in the war for freedom.

 

[AuH20]

Rothbard was great because.....he rejected individualism and endorsed collectivism and nationalism? Wow.

On the one hand, I really think it's great that the Lew Rockwell crowd has showed their true colors, because it gives true libertarians another front to fight against in the war for freedom.

Rothbard saw that there were significant cultural obstacles that prevented the adoption of liberty in certain societies. Liberty needs specific environmental factors & cultural characteristics to thrive.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Rothbard was great because.....he rejected individualism and endorsed collectivism and nationalism? Wow.

On the one hand, I really think it's great that the Lew Rockwell crowd has showed their true colors, because it gives true libertarians another front to fight against in the war for freedom.

Individualism is anti-Christian (to be clear I am not saying the Rockwell crowd is Christian)

 

[Sola_Fide]

Individualism is anti-Christian (to be clear I am not saying the Rockwell crowd is Christian)

No it most certainly is not. I have no idea why you would say that.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Murray Rothbard Was A Racialist And A Nationalist

Beyond a small quantity, national heterogeneity simply does not work; the “nation” disintegrates into more than one nation, and the need for separation becomes acute.

We are now probably a lot more than two nations, and we had better start giving serious thought to national separation. To those who think that the main problem is restricting the number and types of immigration, the best answer is that such a policy is decades too late. We are already far more than one nation within the borders of the U.S.A., let alone worry about the immigrants. To greet the very raising of such questions with the mindless cry of “racism’ or “chauvinism" misses the entire point.

We might not be able any longer to bring back the Old Republic across the entire land area of the 50 states. But we may be able to bring it back in a substantial part of that land area. We must dare to think the unthinkable.

-Murray Rothbard
http://www.amren.com/ar/1994/06/

I see nothing "nationalist" in any of this ...

It is quite clearly "separationist" and "secessionist." How is that "nationalist?"

And as for it being "racialist" ...

(I mean, damn - he even criticizes immigration restriction, such policy being one of the shibboleths of "racialists" ...)

 

[Sola_Fide]

Rothbard saw that there were significant cultural obstacles that prevented the adoption of liberty in certain societies. Liberty needs specific environmental factors & cultural characteristics to thrive.

Where's the quote for that? I don't agree that this was his viewpoint. That is your own racial absurdity.

But Rothbard did express his racial nationalism in the 80s and 90s. There are many ideological factors that played in to this: Roman Cathloicism, Reconstructionism, racial collectivism, nationalism, etc. Only a keen observer would understand how these ideological currents feed in to their worldview.