Msg from Jonathan Bydlak -- willing to answer questions

Thanks for answering questions here.
Three simple questions:
1) What the $%&$ is the campaign doing right now?
2) Ron Paul for the long haul - Are there any plans to broaden the support for the message in the long run?
3) Which is Dr. Paul's pseudonym in these forums?:)
 
Don't be so quick to pass judgment. All we have to go on is the word of Bradley and the word of Jonathan. As they conflict and we have no evidence to support one or the other, it would be a mistake to arrive at a conclusion right now.

I heard a lot of stories about the campaign's level of "help" with the ballot access / signature efforts, especially here in Illinois (because that's where I am). A lot of them were similar to what Bradley is reporting.

I'm sorry, but by the time the DC campaign came around, it should have been clear that they needed to try something different. I wish Bradley had received a $10,000 budget for a GOTV effort.
 
Jonathan Bydlak says:

Well, I don't know who on our campaign staff attacked you. But then again, perhaps you might want to start by explaining your involvement with DC ballot access.

Have you told people on these forums that you asked the campaign for $10,000 to obtain just 600 signatures?

Have you explained how you left the campaign high and dry when your request was declined?

Are you aware of the fact that some of the few signatures you did acquire single-handedly almost resulted in Ron Paul's name not being on the ballot in DC?

Do you know how much official staff time was needed to rectify that situation, rather than working on other things?

While I do not believe publicly attacking anyone (either HQ --> grassroots or grassroots --> HQ) really is appropriate, you may not be the best example here, because this seems to me like behavior that is far more inappropriate than many of the things you have criticized other people for.


Bradley in DC replies:

Since you bring it up, you do know of what HQ was saying about me (eg., being fired from the Congressional office despite the Congressional office repeatedly refuting the lies that HQ would then continue to repeat knowing they're lies), etc.

Go back and read my posts about my exchange with McHugh and HQ sabotaging the DC grassroots effort.

I was a VOLUNTEER DC ballot access coordinator. I was doing the job for free without asking for any money but would not take the blame for HQ's incompetence and hostility to the DC grassroots activists if we didn't get on the ballot for pennies.

And yes, if I were going to be treated the way McHugh was treating me (and for which Becker apologized on behalf on the campaign) as a volunteer, it would have taken a lot of money for me to put up with that to work for him--and the money requested was to do a GOTV project to win DC that HQ refused to discuss (or do, for that matter).

Did I explain leaving HQ high and dry? I believe I used "F*ck you" to explain it repeatedly here (what? six weeks before the deadline after HQ wouldn't let us contact the DC supporters in their database for more weeks than that AFTER the ballot petitioning started!).

Please explain this as it makes no sense at all to me:

"Are you aware of the fact that some of the few signatures you did acquire single-handedly almost resulted in Ron Paul's name not being on the ballot in DC?"

After it became crystal clear McHugh and HQ have no clue about the delegate process (the RP website still gets wrong nearly all of the states since they don't even understand the RNC summary file) and incorporating GOTV into it, I've done all I could to publicly warn other grassroots activists not to delay deferring to HQ and do the job themselves (for which I've been thanked by grassroots supporters in Ohio and other places). For that, I make no apologies. I'm in this to support Dr. Paul.


Welcome Jonathan.

I really didn't want to publicly "go here" but since it was brought up, I can't keep my mouth shut any longer.

Bradley's experience with ballot access and signature gathering mirrors my own experience in Virginia. IMO, HQ, specifically the paid Ballot Access Coordinator, Mike McHugh, did everything he could to destroy the volunteer effort to collect signatures for Ron Paul in Virginia. I will omit some details but basically:

Virginia requires 10,000 signatures statewide and 400 signatures per district. We were asked to collect roughly double that to insure there were plenty of valid signatures. Beginning in July, we had no instructions and no information. Finally, the volunteer state coordinator (who, by the way, sold his home and everything he had to volunteer for RP) and several others took the bull by the horns and figured out what we needed to do. The deadline for signatures was Dec. 14th.

We were going along just fine when Mike hired someone to gather signatures because "the grassroots wasn't producing" which was total BS. He didn't even bother to find out what we had gathered at that point. This destroyed our momentum and many people just stopped collecting, figuring the paid person or persons were going to take care of it.

Next, we find out that the paid guy wasn't getting enough signatures, surprise, surprise!!!! It isn't easy to gather signatures, in fact, it was downright difficult. So we had to try to ramp it up again. We'd then hear panic here and there about how we had to have them before the deadline and so on. Seemed it was about a controversy a week and always conflicting information.

Several of us from the Tidewater area went to the Republican Advance and Straw Poll in Arlington in early December, clipboards in hand. That was my first encounter with McHugh and several other staffers.

We, the grassroots were treated as though we'd just fallen off the turnip truck, most especially by McHugh. None of them introduced themselves, none of them were collecting signatures (but they ordered us around as though we didn't know what we were doing) and they lurked in the background while we grassroots people manned our gorgeous booth, set up and paid for by the state coordinator and a few others.

I was totally appalled by McHugh's behavior. He was boorish and rude, arrogant and downright hateful to some of us. He walked up and sprayed one gal who was handing out slim jims in the mouth with breath spray, without warning because, according to him, "people were complaining about her breath". She spent the rest of the evening in her hotel room crying. He was lucky her boyfriend didn't kick his a$$.

The behaviour of the staffers really turned some of the grassroots people off and many of them stated then and there, "I will never send another dime to the campaign if this is what they hire to run it".

We managed to collect 20K+ signatures by the deadline. The night before they were to be turned in to repub HQ, we got an emergency call that McHugh couldn't be there to witness the counting and that the petitions had to be sorted by district and could we PLEASE come to Richmond. So 13 of us showed up to help.

When the door was opened, we were told that only two of us could go in. We decided on the state coordinator and an attorney. A full 45 minutes late, McHugh shows up, young lady in tow (turns out to be his daughter) barrels through the door without speaking to any of us and begins threatening the receptionist because he wouldn't let McHugh in. Finally, McHugh got his way and the other two came out.

I was appalled that this is what was representing Ron Paul in an official capacity and I just shook my head in disgust and said out loud, "they're going to kill this". (for saying this out loud, I was told that McHugh said that I threatened him).

And by the way, the petitions were not organized in any way, shape or form and I think the people at republican HQ finally just gave up and decided that we had enough signatures.

We were promised prizes for those who collected the most signatures. We received nothing.

I was promised reimbursement for obtaining my notary commission and for gas for the trip to Richmond. Nothing.

The state coordinator asked for a small stipend to cover his expenses, I also asked on his behalf, and not only did he receive nothing but HQ refused to let him continue with his position right after the signature collection and when we were entering the GOTV phase. Instead, the grassroots were fractured statewide at a very critical time.

We BEGGED for lists so we could contact known supporters and by the time we finally did get them, it was waaaaay too late to make effective use of them. Keep in mind, most all of us have jobs and family aside from devoting every spare moment of our lives (and then some!) to The Cause.

Finally, I read repeatedly where other states, such as Rhode Island and Ohio were in danger of not getting Ron Paul's name on the ballot and there was all kinds of last-minute angst on the 'net about getting it done. One would think that the Ballot Access Coordinator would spend his time educating himself on each state's ballot access rules, prioritizing the dates, educating the grassroots and following through on the process. He had plenty of people more than eager to help in Virginia. But maybe it's just me for making the mistaken assumption that the people in HQ knew what they were doing.
 
I was totally appalled by McHugh's behavior. He was boorish and rude, arrogant and downright hateful to some of us. He walked up and sprayed one gal who was handing out slim jims in the mouth with breath spray, without warning because, according to him, "people were complaining about her breath". She spent the rest of the evening in her hotel room crying. He was lucky her boyfriend didn't kick his a$$.

What a $%&%§&!
And this guy didn't lose his job ... pronto?:mad:
 
From what I could tell, Debbie Hooper was in charge of hiring ballot access people. I know that the campaign was in disarray and probably were not able to give the names of supporters.

They should have hired people to be in charge of making sure the database was in order.
 
I know that the campaign was in disarray and probably were not able to give the names of supporters.

They should have hired people to be in charge of making sure the database was in order.

That's an understatement--and, given the luxury of geographical proximity we have here, I offered, repeatedly, over many weeks, to several different staffers, to go into HQ and make calls from there on their system. DC's rules for Republicans are really difficult. Had HQ put out a solicitation to the known DC RP supporters early (as requested), we could have registered OUR people as Republicans before the deadline and had our slate of delegate candidates together at the get go to circulate petitions. Unfortunately, we were left to visiting shut ins, hobos on the street....

No. The would not start DC until they finished California I was told. The couldn't do more than one thing at a time it seemed despite overlapping deadlines. Since they were always rushed in another state, they were then constantly in a state of being rushed against deadlines in the next, and the next, even when there were lots of energized grassroots supporters chomping at the bit to help. So it seemed to me at least.
 
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Thanks for answering questions here.
Three simple questions:
1) What the $%&$ is the campaign doing right now?
2) Ron Paul for the long haul - Are there any plans to broaden the support for the message in the long run?
3) Which is Dr. Paul's pseudonym in these forums?:)

1) same old, same old
2) how long haul do you want from a septuagenarian?
3) "Revolution9", calls himself "Randy" ;)
 
Sounds like a few from HQ got on a high horse and were bloated with self importance. Every campaign has people like these. In past campaigns I worked with some people would start off nice then morph into monsters.
 
It seems to me that the organizers of the smear campaign conducted by the Republican Party were much more competent than the RP campaign people. They surely were more successful in silencing RP, even though his message should have inspired the whole country.
 
Mike McHugh x 30....that's what I am hearing the entire Arlington staff was like.

Coincidence, or intentional sabotage by TPTB...

I bet you can guess which way I am leaning...
 
No organization: the campaign he ran was a completely disorganized mess, a shambolic fuck-up of such monumental proportions I'm frankly astounded you Libertarians haven't lynched his campaign staff for treason. I've seen better efforts by my city councilmen. The only real traction ever made in the campaign was by the grass-roots element. Fundraising? Grassroots. Internet viral message? Grassroots. Precinct level organization? Grassroots. Certainly, the grassroots deserves a commendation for one of the best efforts in history ... but the grassroots cannot get your canidate ACCESS. That's the campaign's job, and they failed

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AF,

That brings us to the "incompetence" versus "intentional sabotage" debate. I wish I could still believe only the former occurred.
 
Face it, sir: YOU FAILED THE GRASSROOTS, AND HENCE, YOUR COUNTRY. You, and your cohorts at the campaign office took OUR money as your surely inflated salary, and squandered every oportunity for make something great of this vital campaign. Suck it up, and move on. Hopefully you've learned a lesson from your's and your fellow staffers' ineptness and total lack of creativity and political knowledge..:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
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AF,

That brings us to the "incompetence" versus "intentional sabotage" debate. I wish I could still believe only the former occurred.

We're both still snowed in, so I suspect we have some time.

Break down the points that indicate "intentional sabotage".

I'd been leaning toward "incompetence", but now am having my doubts.

Make your case.
 
1. Hiring a gay Buddhist to run the campaign, when you are running (purportedly) for the Republican nomination which still has a huge Christian conservative base that would never vote for a campaign so led. Allowing several more gays to work out of the Arlington offices and giving the overall impression of a "cliquish" atmosphere.
2. Promoting Joe Seehusen after he messed up the Ames Straw poll and after his "consulting firm" donated $10,000 to the RP campaign. Dissing the "Vote Scam" people totally and doing nothing to insure the Ames results were correct.
3. Having no back up for the computerized supporter lists and no hard copy of the supporter lists so that a "disgruntled employee" could walk out with that crucial info the morning of the crucial IA caucus and totally ruin our chances at a respectable 3rd place finish in Iowa. Firing nobody after this happened.
4. Hiring a former housewife who had never even voted before to take over the State of MI headquarters after Paul Garfield was dumped (for no stated reason) and then hiring a 24-year old college student from Skull & Bones U. who worked on the Bush campaign in 2004 to be her "right hand" gal.
5. Not running a single national TV ad, EVER, thus confirming the MSM-pumped impressions that we were not running a serious campaign.
6. Multiple financial irregularities (that have cited many times here before) that at a bare minimum have a very real "appearance of evil."
7. Dissing national media figures repeatedly, including canceling pre-arranged interviews a few minutes beforehand.
8. Totally shutting out multiple offers from the grassroots of free or reduced-cost assistance for services in a number of professional areas with which the campaign obviously needed help (ex: ad production, delegate training, etc., etc., etc.)
9. Failing to hire a single person with long and proven credentials in the patriot movement either at the national, regional or state levels.
10. Shutting out a billionaire's offer of $100,000,000 because he asked that certain people at national HQ be replaced with competent and truly devoted patriots.

Heck...I could go on all night...but it's bed time...
 
I didn't read all 52 pages of this drama, but from what I did read, all I see is childish finger pointing. And what I do not see is anyone blaming Ron Paul for not doing absolutely anythign about this. How are we supposed to generate excitement about some one who is clearly not that interested in winning this?
 
Ooh, now we're getting into some red meat... haha. This one might take awhile.

1. National campaign ads. I think the reason this wasn't done is because it largely didn't make sense for a candidate like Ron. While we raised $20M in Q4, keep in mind how much the other candidates had spent before that. Mitt Romne spent MILLIONS to bring his name recognition up to snuff with the other candidates. Everyone knew Rudy from 9/11, they knew McCain from 2000, and while Huckabee was an unknown like Ron, his seemingly genuine personality infatuated the press. But many members of the press didn't care about Ron, and they didn't take him seriously. I don't believe that even people like Tucker, who gave Ron above-average face-time and believed strongly in Ron's message, ever thought he had a chance of winning. That said, with limited resources, you have to target them. And the campaign worked hard at targeting early primary states, while still organizing supporters everywhere else. But to throw money across the country would not have been smart (in my opinion), and I'd rather see more direct mail in New Hampshire than TV ads playing in New Mexico and Kentucky.

Bull fucking shit. If Ron Paul's campaign threw its resources to win IA and have won it, it would get tens of millions of dollars worth of publicity. When Mike Huckabee and Barack's faces were foot tall and foot wide on our city's major newspaper (Dallas, TX), this could easily have been us. And the pundits as well as the audience would take us more seriuosly. Do you know how many times I've heard I-like-him-but-he-can't-win crap? Ron Paul's picture on the front page would have shut these kinds of people up. AND, even if the campaign was completely dry of money, because of the mass name recognition, he would have gotten that money right back.....

Sorry, I don't believe this "we didn't have enough money" nonsense. If you used money like a tool, you would have had enormous returns.
 
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