Msg from Jonathan Bydlak -- willing to answer questions

Just move along Jonathan, Steve is the major player who promoted the whole "Billionaire" scam that diverted our attention from what we should have been focusing on.

He did that by speculating based upon a rumor as well. Now he has, if you haven't read, us speculating that Ron Paul will be in Borat II, it just gets zanier and zanier! Whoopee!

Amy,

You are wrong. Call Dick Mills, his number is available publicly on his website at: www.RonPaulFriendsUSA.com, or call John Stadtmiller whose number is also publicly available with regard to his radio show.

All I did was go to the source of these rumors and flesh them out. My conclusion is that both Dick and John were credible.

I am used to being the "beatup messenger," but don't expect me to be unfairly criticized without proving YOU wrong.
 
Just answer the question, or don't answer it, Jonathan.

We have a right to know.

Look, were this rumor true, it might have had the potential to impinge mightily on our ability to reach out to the "Christian Conservative" base of the Republican Party. Without taking a share of that base, you simply can not win the Republican nomination.

I was one of the people who applied to work for the campaign early on. I would like to think that my application was given a fair hearing regardless of may age (47) or sexual preference (straight). I never complained when I never heard a thing after repeated inquiries, I just continued to work my tail off for Dr. Paul, and had many successes to show for it here in Maine, as well. Many like me have reported similar experiences...many who have been in the patriot movement for decades.

Many people in the grassroots--experienced, top-notch people in their fields with glowing credentials or resumes--offered their services at little or no charge in a variety of areas, or filed applications to work for the campaign. They were all routinely (and sometimes rudely) rebuffed. Hard to feel the GR ever acheived any real respect at all from many at HQ, and this may have led to many other unfortunate results for the entire movement.

please take it to hot topics. a "gay" conspiracy sounds ridiculous, even the accusation getting out these tubes might get ugly. just a thought.
 
Just answer the question, or don't answer it, Jonathan.

We have a right to know.

Look, were this rumor true, it might have had the potential to impinge mightily on our ability to reach out to the "Christian Conservative" base of the Republican Party. Without taking a share of that base, you simply can not win the Republican nomination.

I was one of the people who applied to work for the campaign early on. I would like to think that my application was given a fair hearing regardless of may age (47) or sexual preference (straight). I never complained when I never heard a thing after repeated inquiries, I just continued to work my tail off for Dr. Paul, and had many successes to show for it here in Maine, as well. Many like me have reported similar experiences...many who have been in the patriot movement for decades.

Many people in the grassroots--experienced, top-notch people in their fields with glowing credentials or resumes--offered their services at little or no charge in a variety of areas, or filed applications to work for the campaign. They were all routinely (and sometimes rudely) rebuffed. Hard to feel the GR ever acheived any real respect at all from many at HQ, and this may have led to many other unfortunate results for the entire movement.

Though I see your frustration and concern, I think JB has said his piece on the subject. When talking about a long-term strategy for the Movement (not just this particular campaign) this topic might not be particularly relevant. Though it is important to see where mistakes were made, they are only important for the reason of fixing those mistakes for the future.

From reading these responses, I think a lot of the issues stem from the limited time Ron Paul had. Being an active Congressman, he didn't have time to campaign more, or do more fundraisers, or respond to every news reporter, etc. There may have been other issues with HQ but there were also several errors by the grassroots as well.

The question really is, what now? Of course there are things we can do immediately but also in terms of long term planning, I'm not sure how much thought has gone into this. We seem to be pretty good on a 6 month plan (even though many people aren't moving in the same direction). But what about a 2-year plan when hundreds of other Congressional seats are up for re-election? What about a 4-year plan for the next presidential race? Yes, it is important to be flexible but none of my businesses would have succeeded if I didn't have some kind of long-term strategy which could be broken down into achievable and measureable steps. I don't subscribe to the "take it as it comes" philosophy.

Those are the things I, and I know many others are very interested in and love to get JB's input because of his involvement with HQ.
 
Amy,

You are wrong. Call Dick Mills, his number is available publicly on his website at: www.RonPaulFriendsUSA.com, or call John Stadtmiller whose number is also publicly available with regard to his radio show.

All I did was go to the source of these rumors and flesh them out. My conclusion is that both Dick and John were credible.

I am used to being the "beatup messenger," but don't expect me to be unfairly criticized without proving YOU wrong.

The proof is in the pudding, as they say. There was no billionaire making a documentary. You supposedly got this info from the Granny Warriors, who got it from, I don't know, Santa Claus?

Now you got it from Dick and John?

Not sure how you proved me wrong, when you were the one who came onto this message board, distracted everyone, and nothing came to fruition. I, personally, will not forgive you for doing that based on a supposed rumor.

With that said, I'm done commenting on it because it's contrary to the purpose of this thread. You did a disservice to this movement and you do a disservice to comedy by calling yourself SteveMartin. He was actually funny. You are simply tragic. You owe us all an apology.
 
Amy,

Again, your facts are off. I never said I got the "billionaire rumor" from the granny warriors. That original billionaire rumor thread was posted for a couple of days (if I remember) before I even posted there, and put up by "first-time-only-time" newbie, whose IP was traced to (I think) Ohio State University. I live in northern Maine.

I will apologize for you as you are the one who needs it.

Folks, I am sorry you have to read the inaccurate musings of someone who is trying to paste things to me that can not stick because they simply are not true.
 
Don,

I had asked this question of Jonathan, but I would like your opinion as well. Thanks.

I will never forget the exact moment I had this conversation with Ron. It was the day before the Value Voter's Debacle, err...I mean debate, in Florida. Karl (Ron's security director) and I picked Ron and Carol up at the airport and were driving back to the hotel. Karl was driving, Ron was riding shotgun with Carol behind Karl and me behind Ron. Carol mentioned in passing that Tancredo had just announced that he was accepting matching funds. She then asked Ron if he was considering it. Ron spun in his seat, nostrils flaring, and declared, "I DON'T TAKE STOLEN MONEY!"

After that, although some pined about how much we were giving up, I knew that this was one decision that would never be changed.

My respect for Ron, which I thought couldn't get any higher, went up that day.
 
Just answer the question, or don't answer it, Jonathan.

We have a right to know.

Look, were this rumor true, it might have had the potential to impinge mightily on our ability to reach out to the "Christian Conservative" base of the Republican Party. Without taking a share of that base, you simply can not win the Republican nomination.

I was one of the people who applied to work for the campaign early on. I would like to think that my application was given a fair hearing regardless of may age (47) or sexual preference (straight).

My BS detector is going off big time. Are you suggesting that you applied to the campaign and the application asked what your sexual preference was? C'mon, give me a break.

If you didn't get called back, maybe you just weren't good enough (shocking?). Stop looking for excuses.

Steve, I have a question for you. What is with your obsession about homosexuality and how is it really relevant to the campaign?

One of the most hard core libertarian guys I know is openly gay, and he's also a huge Ron Paul supporter. His $2,300 was as good as anyone else's. His sign waving was just as good as anyone else's.
 
There! Now you've been initiated into the forum.:D

What? You didn't think stopping in to say "Thanks" was going to be controversial?

Glad to see new blood still arriving. and if you don't read between the lines....

WELCOME TO THE RABBIT HOLE!

Now where the heck did JB go? This was the most informative thread we've had on here in a long while.


I feel well initiated thanks. A creampuff is a pretty sweet thing. I guess I'd better name my gender, I am a her not a him. But don't hold that against me, I am probably more loyal than most men are to Ron Paul. I've had a lot in common with this dear man for years. This fight for Liberty must continue.
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I will never forget the exact moment I had this conversation with Ron. It was the day before the Value Voter's Debacle, err...I mean debate, in Florida. Karl (Ron's security director) and I picked Ron and Carol up at the airport and were driving back to the hotel. Karl was driving, Ron was riding shotgun with Carol behind Karl and me behind Ron. Carol mentioned in passing that Tancredo had just announced that he was accepting matching funds. She then asked Ron if he was considering it. Ron spun in his seat, nostrils flaring, and declared, "I DON'T TAKE STOLEN MONEY!"

After that, although some pined about how much we were giving up, I knew that this was one decision that would never be changed.

My respect for Ron, which I thought couldn't get any higher, went up that day.

I can understand not taking the money, but was there any reason there could not have been a press conference to announce the fact?
 
You go, girl!



"Aratus" is an anti-federalist nom de plume
i borrowed from our late great jamie monroe
and curiously, i'm 50something and female...
 
I just want to take a moment and give a shout out to my mom on this historic and epic thread.

Hey mom, I love you!!
 
I can understand not taking the money, but was there any reason there could not have been a press conference to announce the fact?

I don't think I can add to what Johnathan has already said on this except to agree.
 
When you have had a chance to read some more, Jonathan, you will find out that the original takeover of the Republican Party was done by the Rockefeller family. They own the lion's share of Federal Reserve stock, 90% of the nation's refining capacity, and some analysts estimate more than $20 trillion in liquid assets. That's not something we can take on even in 3 election cycles without them also putting into effect their control of the military, and FEMA, and DHS, etc.

I used to believe in movements. I've been involved in several conservative movements. They are always infiltrated and defeated.

IMO, we have one last chance. And this cycle is it. If RP runs as an Independent who could "unite the clans" (all the 3rd parties) and give us something we've never had before--A country of our own! ARE YOU READY FOR A (real) REVOLUTION!!! (In the current police- state, election-fraud environment, everything else is just playing into their hands.)

Steve, thank you for saying that. I am starting to get frustrated at the number of people out there who cry "conspiracy theorist" whenever someone talks about who really runs the FED. It is simple, verifiable history - no bones about it. What's the big deal here? If we want a free country that is once again based upon the Constitution, then we're going to have to figure out how to wean ourselves off the FED and ultimately abolish it, as well as the 16th amendment.

I am reticent to jump on the independent bandwagon, though. I honestly don't know if there is enough support for Ron Paul at large. We see the support here and with some of our friends, and quite likely, those with whom we work and see on a daily basis, but let's face it - there are millions more. I live in Minneapolis and see thousands of people - obviously oblivious - everyday. I do what I can, but Dr. Paul is just not the household name we'd like to think he is. Add in to the mixture the comment from Jonathan several pages back that really backs this up - many people spent a lot of time and effort pushing the R3VOLution or "Hope for America" without saying that he was running for president. Someone put a piece of paper on one of our "RonPaulmobiles" the other day that said "who the hell is Ron Paul?" - it just goes to show. . .:rolleyes:
 
Wow that took a long time and a lot of effort to read through 31 pages of questions, not to mention the repeated questions lol!

Now I have a question, what was all that money spent on?! :p:p:D:rolleyes: lol

joking.....


I do have a few questions though.

1. Is Ron Paul actually ready and willing to lead a revolutionary freedom movement in our country?

Because thats what we're heading towards faster and faster everyday, and Ron doesn't seem to be willing to lead it really in my opinion. Maybe he is, I don't know, he does seem to want a march to come together, but he like a lot of other people doesn't seem to want to give this revolution true leadership, and every revolution has had a leader that its followers looked to for leadership and inspiration such as Martin Luther King or George Washington. It seems like to me sometimes Ron wants everyone to just vote in libertarian minded people to the government to fix everything, and thats just not going to happen without a movement behind it with a leader to keep the movement going, or that he wants someone else to step up to fill his shoes, which would be fine if he would just make it clear to everyone that supports him as to who that could possibly be.

2. Can someone get some heart and fire back into Ron Paul lol?

For a very brief period of time he changed and really believed he could change the country after I think the tea party if I remember correctly. At least it seemed that way to me. It was around the debate when he called his campaign a revolution. It was like he doubted he could really do anything, but wanted to put his ideas out there, then really got emboldened and believed he could do it, and then went to not believing he can do it but that it can be done I guess now.

3. Why do you think the campaign wasted money running television ads in SC the last week or two weeks before our primary?

SC was generally ignored compared to some other candidates, with the exception of a great mailing effort, and SC was never a state Paul was likely to win anyway since its probably the biggest pro-war state in the country lol. Then ignoring it mostly lowered Paul's chances even more, so it seems a waste to spend that money to me. I would have thought the wisest strategy in SC would have been to either campaign hard in SC and NH from the start, but in SC mainly run an attack campaign attacking Romney and Huckabee since they did seem early on likely to win SC, and hope to split the vote and gain enough votes to win the state over them as a result of voters just not liking any candidates that much, which did actually happen here in my opinion. Or the other strategy, which I thought the campaign had taken, would have been to basically ignore SC and save the money for other places, which probably would have been the way to go in my opinion.

I don't see where mail fliers, radio, and a tiny bit but of course still expensive tv advertising was worth the cost in SC since it was a small chance to start with that was then cut even smaller by ignoring it.

I mean you know why McCain won here despite tons of people hating him here? Because he campaigned very, very hard here. All I ever heard about McCain was how he was either in New Hampshire or South Carolina. He spoke at places within an hour of me many, many times compared to Paul once. And thats why Romney lost, because he gave up in SC and started ignoring it like our campaign did.

[Ad infinitum . . .]

Justin - this was a great post - thank you for taking the time to craft it!

I was thinking about your fourth point (and that's why I cut the quote off there) and, honestly, don't you think that McCain's victories had little to do with any of his strategies or campaigning and more to do with who the media liked? As I watched all of this unfold (and am still watching) I find myself sick with disgust at the MSM. I for one don't watch television, but I know that most people who do get brainwashed and just soak in what the MSM want them to have. Even if Ron Paul ran his ads 24/7 on all the major networks, it wouldn't have mattered - the media worked hard to shut him out. McCain didn't have to work hard and he probably knew it - this whole thing has been handed to him on a platter. McCain is nothing but a puppet. I honestly don't think that the man is capable of independent thought.

Just venting . . .
 
I just slugged through all 38 pages of that - whew! That was a doozy! I don't know if there are a whole lot more legitimate questions to be had on this topic. LOL :D Just kidding. ;)
 
Thanks for joining the forums. The question that keeps nagging at me is: What happened to all the money? A follow up question would be: Why weren't ads run in Super Tuesday states on national networks like CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, etc? I saw ads from all other candidates except Ron Paul.

A simple question for Super Tuesday is: What the hell happened?

Also, why were opportunities for interviews on radio stations ignored when giving such interviews would have reached huge markets of listeners. This occured in Seattle where a large number of Ron Paul supporters could have used the support of the campaign, and many undecided voters might have heard Ron Paul's message.

One more question: Why were thousands of dollars spent to send mailers to people who already support Ron Paul? I recieved three of them, yet I didn't neet to be convinced. Wouldn't that money have been better spent reaching undecided/uniformed voters?

Thanks again for joining the forums.
 
If you didn't get called back, maybe you just weren't good enough (shocking?). Stop looking for excuses.

Steve, I have a question for you. What is with your obsession about homosexuality and how is it really relevant to the campaign?
No, this campaign is all about conspiracies MAN! The HQ is out to get the straight people! The MSM is screwing us over! The Illuminati stole my bicycle!

For the record, the filming of RP with a lesbian that he threw out of the office has been done, according to sources much more reliable.
Was she engaging in lesbian relations in the office, or did your digital lesbian detector expose her?

Thanks for joining the forums. The question that keeps nagging at me is:

...

Thanks again for joining the forums.
Man, read the thread. JB has answered these questions several times already. Until Steve starts getting paranoid, the thread is very informative and interesting.
 
My other personal feeling is that we should have worked harder getting on nightly network news, not just shows like the Situation Room. Fact is still, even in the internet age, that many people only get their news from watching the Tom Brokaws, etc. And while we got tons of press from November 5th, we really needed to turn that into sustained coverage on the major networks. That didn't happen, part because we weren't equipped to do it, and part because the press stopped caring about Ron Paul again as soon as the novelty of the money bombs wore off.


+1000000^2 about the nightly network news - the VAST majority of folks 40ish and over grew up with the nightly 5- or 6-ish news in their routine. Creatures of habit.

Speaking of media: there have been, currently are, and will be various venues to spring up as platforms for Dr. Paul's message - some certainly better than others. You've probably seen Trevor Lyman's next brainchild, Break The Matrix. Now Dr. Paul has launched Liberty PAC. Various pre-existing organizations are already out there, including but not limited to:

- Downsize DC
- Citizens Against Government Waste
- National Taxpayers Union
- The Constitutional Party
- We the People Foundation

Without incriminating yourself i.e. bringing criticism to yourself by showing bias toward one particular organization, can you give some general guidelines of which forms of activism may inherently have more leverage than others?
 
I will never forget the exact moment I had this conversation with Ron. It was the day before the Value Voter's Debacle, err...I mean debate, in Florida. Karl (Ron's security director) and I picked Ron and Carol up at the airport and were driving back to the hotel. Karl was driving, Ron was riding shotgun with Carol behind Karl and me behind Ron. Carol mentioned in passing that Tancredo had just announced that he was accepting matching funds. She then asked Ron if he was considering it. Ron spun in his seat, nostrils flaring, and declared, "I DON'T TAKE STOLEN MONEY!"

After that, although some pined about how much we were giving up, I knew that this was one decision that would never be changed.

My respect for Ron, which I thought couldn't get any higher, went up that day.

Thanks for posting that....made my day :)
 
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