Morning Joe: Ron Paul made devastating remarks on Iran

[A Son of Liberty]

It's hard for me as a citizen of Finland - a nation that managed to stay independent next to USSR for 70 years through neutrality and diplomacy - to not thinking that the rest of the GOP candidates are absolutely insane when it comes to foreign policy.

I do think Paul comes off as a bit dovish on some issues.

It's hard for you because they ARE insane. That's all I can come up with to explain the collective bed-wetting over Iran.

Our government will end up bombing that country; countless people will die, the consequences will be far-reaching for the planet as a whole, and America will have secured her spot in the history books as one of the most brutal regimes in the history of 'civilization'.

The only word that keeps coming back to me is, "pathetic".

 

[Student Of Paulism]

Joe Scarborough is no Ron Paul fan. He has a job to do there with Miss. Brzezinski. Daughter of "Its easier now to kill a million than control a million."

Yea, also daughter of 'one of the creators of Al-CIAeda Oh and butt buddie of David Rockefeller too, of course. These people need to suffer the same fate as Hitler in Little Nicky.

 

[dolphin]

Paul needs a counter narrative for the weekend if possible

Your wish is granted.

Make copies and pass them out to your friends and neigbors people.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-them-out-to-your-friends-and-neigbors-people.

 

[Chieppa1]

 

[Chrysamere]

It's hard for me as a citizen of Finland - a nation that managed to stay independent next to USSR for 70 years through neutrality and diplomacy - to not thinking that the rest of the GOP candidates are absolutely insane when it comes to foreign policy.

I do think Paul comes off as a bit dovish on some issues.

Everyone outside of the US think the rest of the GOP candidates are insane, thankfully the majority of Americans seem to do too nowadays.

Ron Paul will be Ron Paul, or I wouldn't be supporting him, and I am quite happy with how he did this debate.

 

[No Free Beer]

I don't even know where to start. I think this is it, we're going to war with Iran. The only question is if Paul will say I told you so before or after the election.

I cant believe this warmongering bullshit.

Iran has an insignificant military next to Israel, and even if they wanted to attack, they couldn't attack us, so why should we be the ones to stop them?

I'm not...I'll Ali it...

screw that.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Every time Ron has said something controversial, there are the people here with 100 posts saying this is the end of the line.

The same thing happened with the "fence" comment a couple months ago.

Every time we think Ron is going to lose support for telling the truth, he gains in the polls.

 

[Badger Paul]

""turn off the air conditioning for our troops in Iraq"

And even after that look where we are in the polls.

 

[Original_Intent]

A RevPac ad (not attacking Bachmann, but defending Paul) that highlighted Bachmann using Politifact against Newt and then showing that Ploitifact says she is wrong on Iran wanting to wip out Israel AND wrong on Iran being within months of a nuke per the IAEA - I think it could be done in a non-attack way that just shows that once again, Ron is the one with his facts correct.

 

[specsaregood]

We do not want nuclear weapons for a few reasons... This weapon is inhumane. Because of our faith, we are against it. Our religion says it is prohibited, and we are religious people...

Nuclear weapons have no capabilities today. If any country tries to build a nuclear bomb, in fact, they waste their money on resources and, secondly, they create a big danger to themselves. --Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

In his own words. doesn't sound like he is stating that they want them like others claim

 

[Maverick]

Too many people here today are running around scared because of remarks Ron Paul made on foreign policy tonight that are the same remarks he's made on foreign policy for the last 30 years. Remember this is why we like the guy? Cause he's consistent and honest and doesn't pander? I'll bet some of you wanted him to start pandering but Ron is gonna be Ron and that's not how he rolls.

The Paul / Bachmann exchange was the best thing that could happen to us. I don't know if you guys realize it, but that was our Guiliani moment of this cycle. Remember way back to 2007 when Guiliani said "that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard" which lead to a complete verbal smackdown by Dr. Paul? Yeah, the Paul and Bachmann exchange was that moment. And back in 2007, that was the moment that got me on board. I'll bet that was the moment that got a lot of people on board. It was a show-stopper. It got attention, and caused a lot of people to start thinking and asking questions.

That is what this Paul and Bachmann exchange is gonna do. This is gonna turn heads. This is gonna get people thinking. The amount of exposure this is getting is gonna reach a lot of independents and apathetic voters that are sick of all these wars and that maybe still haven't heard about Ron Paul, and this is gonna resonate. People are gonna start asking themselves the right questions and they're going to get on board with Dr. Paul.

 

[cavalier973]

I didn't see the debate live; the best I could do was read comments about it from the "live debate forums" on Hotair and Townhall. That was a mistake; I was really down, and thought that Ron Paul got hurt. (Thanks to Anti-Federalist, by the way, for lightening the mood with the comment about "panty-wetting"). Then I saw the debate (the Ron Paul highlights, anyway) and saw that he actually didn't do that bad. I heard some boos, but mixed in with the boos was applause, so that's a wash. And, as others have said, Ron Paul didn't say anything different than he always says.
Michele Bachmann, on the other hand, spouted the very juvenile and preposterous position that "they may try to kill us, so we need to kill them first." I think that, neocons excepted, Americans will see that Bachmann's foreign policy is the truly dangerous one.

 

[Xenophage]

On Morning Joe they were all in essential agreement that Ron destroyed himself on Iran. They said he was right on Iraq and Afghanistan, but even Joe himself said he sounded like an Iran apologist and really really hurt himself with the Iran comments. The guy from the Politico Playbook misrepresented his arguments saying that he said Iran was acting in self-defense (which wasn't what he said), then further misrepresented his past comments stating he had said that these were the worst comments he has made since the Reagan debate where he suggested we "turn off the air conditioning for our troops in Iraq" (Again he never said that, he said the potential costs we could save just on air conditioning had we not been there).

Anyways, there is no denying that the perception is we really hurt ourselves with Iran and the rhetoric shouldn't have been that strong, but the extreme misrepresentation even by Morning Joe's people (and even joe himself to a degree). is not good....

Ron DIDN'T reply with rhetoric and that was why he hurt himself. He gave an insightful argument. Bachmann was the one throwing out the rhetoric.

Paul really needs to get rhetoric down. He's never been very good at it.

 

[angelatc]

The concern trolls will be very active today.

The GOP voters need to realize that foreign policy is why they lost the 2006 elections. If Obama gets a sniff that a war with Iran will be an unpopular decision, he'll run on a platform of strong diplomacy.

But then he'll start the bombing raids after he wins the election...

 

[angelatc]

In his own words. doesn't sound like he is stating that they want them like others claim

We do not want nuclear weapons for a few reasons... This weapon is inhumane. Because of our faith, we are against it. Our religion says it is prohibited, and we are religious people...

Nuclear weapons have no capabilities today. If any country tries to build a nuclear bomb, in fact, they waste their money on resources and, secondly, they create a big danger to themselves. --Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


In his own words. doesn't sound like he is stating that they want them like others claim

"Muslims lie!" - in the words of the neocons....and yeah, I know they're Persians.

 

[specsaregood]

"Muslims lie!" - in the words of the neocons....and yeah, I know they're Persians.

Right, the problem with that excuse it that it directly contradicts bachmann et al's statements where they claim that Iran is boldly pronouncing that they want nukes so they can bomb israel and the US. If she made the argument that they secretly are saying that, then ok you could make the public announcement == lie argument; but they aren't doing that.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Everybody who thinks Ron is hurting himself:

Replace "Iran" with "Iraq," and date his arguments at 1997. Or 2000. Or 2002. Or 2003.

Then tell me he did the wrong thing by fighting war propaganda like a champ.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Oops, double post

 

[Marky]

The propaganda is strong in this one.



The thing is, America has fallen for the propaganda. So when Paul tries to speak some sense, they are already too brainwashed to hear him.

Most Americans aren’t buying this propaganda anymore. Being anti-war is popular now…much more than the controlled media will admit. This is a huge part of Dr. Paul’s growing appeal.

 

[Marky]

I didn't see the debate live; the best I could do was read comments about it from the "live debate forums" on Hotair and Townhall. That was a mistake; I was really down, and thought that Ron Paul got hurt. (Thanks to Anti-Federalist, by the way, for lightening the mood with the comment about "panty-wetting"). Then I saw the debate (the Ron Paul highlights, anyway) and saw that he actually didn't do that bad. I heard some boos, but mixed in with the boos was applause, so that's a wash. And, as others have said, Ron Paul didn't say anything different than he always says.
Michele Bachmann, on the other hand, spouted the very juvenile and preposterous position that "they may try to kill us, so we need to kill them first." I think that, neocons excepted, Americans will see that Bachmann's foreign policy is the truly dangerous one.

That’s what I’m saying…..The controlled media might try to spin this as Ron not appealing to "the base". But, the fact is that most the people are closer to Ron’s views and think Bachmann is insane.