Morning Joe: Ron Paul made devastating remarks on Iran

[wgadget]

Ron Paul put his differences with ALL OTHERS RUNNING, including Obama, in stark relief. Now it's time for We, the People to decide.

 

[gjdavis60]

So far, most of the articles coming out on Paul's foreign policy statements in the debate are neutral to complimentary. I'm sure there will be negative editorials from the neocon press today, but in general most news outlets are saying that Bachmann and Santorum attacked Ron's foreign policy but Ron did not back down.

If the country wants to go to war with Iran on unsubstantiated rumors of weapon research, Ron is not going to be their choice. Time will tell how may people are really so easily pulled back toward war so soon after Iraq.

 

[Elwar]

Anyways, there is no denying that the perception is we really hurt ourselves with Iran

correction...the perception they want you to have is that Ron Paul hurt himself on Iran.

He did no such thing.

 

[dolphin]

Maybe he can make that the central focus of discussion on the LENO show and explain things better.

Hopefully someone reads my idea and if its possible gets it to the right person to make it happen.

 

[dolphin]

correction...the perception they want you to have is that Ron Paul hurt himself on Iran.

He did no such thing.

I agree. He did hurt himself with the people who think we are living biblical prophecy.

In other words he hurt himself with Perry's supporters the most.

He actually may have gotten through to people who were supporting other candidates who might actually switch.

One thing is for sure. He did not lose much if any support from those already onboard.

From reading comments of Iowans in the onoine articles I can tell you that former NEO-CON supporters are defecting to Paul. Particularly those with a military background. Specifically because of his anti war message.

I am reading public confessions from them saying how they are fed up with the lies.

 

[WilliamC]

All the important people know Ron Paul is correct, and those who wish to profit from yet another undeclared war be it in Iran or Syria or wherever will always lie, cheat, and worse to keep their money and power.

Ron Paul needs to hammer on the point that congress, as the direct representative of the people, must declare war and unless they do any subsequent military action is not in defense of the United States but rather is an offensive war that is being waged to profit certain individuals and companies at the expense of all the rest of us.

Non declared wars are the epitome in illegal government and are one of the most evil action that governments can do, they should never be supported by any moral person no matter that you agree with the cause of the military action. If Congress can't get their collective heads out of their rears to pass a declaration of war then whatever the reason is is not important enough to send Americans to die for and to spend taxpayer money to kill innocent peoples, because innocent people always get killed in wars.

Now that the entire world has been declared a battlefield and any American citizen can be unconstitutionally taken by the military if they are suspected of being 'associated with terrorism', whatever that means, the idea of when War is justified takes on an entirely new urgency.

Most people will and do understand this, it just needs to keep being repeated.

 

[jer4liberty]

correction...the perception they want you to have is that Ron Paul hurt himself on Iran.

He did no such thing.

I'm really concerned over this, many of you don't. I just don't get why. We are trying to expand our base with the GOP, and many of them buy into the fear Hannity, et. al. set forth. There has to be away to combat this. Hopefully all this is ending up being is them attempting to set up a false narrative (with blatant lies) and the people by and large don't bite.

I'm hoping this will only affect the minds of people who weren't going to vote for RP anyways because they are huge war mongerers anyways.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Ron Paul HELPED himself if the frame of the debate is constitutional wars, The right of the public making the decision to go to war through public debate and their elected leaders, and the police state.

Of course, if you don't say anything, they'll claim victory by non-voiced consenses. So say something.

 

[jer4liberty]

Note to Mods, Please put this in the Media Spin section.

 

[jer4liberty]

So far Bachmann has lied, Hannity, Joe, Politico, and more.

They are misrepresenting Ron AND they are using false premises AND blatantly false information (such as the non-existent IAEA report on Iran having a nuke within months). Michelle is a liar.

 

[undergroundrr]

So far, most of the articles coming out on Paul's foreign policy statements in the debate are neutral to complimentary. I'm sure there will be negative editorials from the neocon press today, but in general most news outlets are saying that Bachmann and Santorum attacked Ron's foreign policy but Ron did not back down.

I'll back this up. Surfing Google News this morning, I'm seeing a lot about how Paul stood his ground. In fact, each rebuttal opportunity, instead of "explaining what he meant" he drove the point further home. It was an exact replay of the Giuliani episode that inspired me to start taking Ron Paul seriously in the first place. Even in articles where it's implied that Paul hurt himself, there's a sense that he hurt himself because he didn't back-pedal on views everybody knows he held, which is absurd.

What's so inspiring is that Ron Paul never gets a clearly stated fact wrong. Even the AP is distributing the Fact Check that says Michele was wrong and Ron was right about the IAEA report. That could get picked up by a lot of news outlets and shows once again that other candidates have to just make s*** up to combat him.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

I'm really concerned over this, many of you don't. I just don't get why. We are trying to expand our base with the GOP, and many of them buy into the fear Hannity, et. al. set forth. There has to be away to combat this. Hopefully all this is ending up being is them attempting to set up a false narrative (with blatant lies) and the people by and large don't bite.

I'm hoping this will only affect the minds of people who weren't going to vote for RP anyways because they are huge war mongerers anyways.

There is. It's just like 999. You have to address the unspoken real issue. The police state which the unconstitutional wars are also part of.

You know how mean they are to Ron Paul? Be just as mean as that back, or they'll believe it must be right. In other words, stand up against groping kids, drones in America, and all the rest of it.

 

[alsis8xmy]

I'm not sure which debate Joe watched but what I saw was nothing but a bunch of fear mongering, war mongering Chicken Hawks ready to commit our sons and daughters to more stupid wars based on outright lies!! I'm having none of it! Ron Paul or bust!! Peace is popular!!!! Merry Christmas!

 

[wgadget]

Yes, perfect opportunity to explain how we're rapidly turning into police state. He mayneed to connect the dots for some, but I'm guessing most people already are aware.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

So far Bachmann has lied, Hannity, Joe, Politico, and more.

They are misrepresenting Ron AND they are using false premises AND blatantly false information (such as the non-existent IAEA report on Iran having a nuke within months). Michelle is a liar.

I see you signed up in November. There was one debate where four of them directly lied to the audience with newspaper articles from years past showing it - and I posted it at the time. In one debate. And Newt Gingrich was caught lying *in* the debate. The media acted like it didn't happen.

 

[hogsfan90]

I predict that the soon coming polls will show us dropping off a bit, just to send us in a panic. But, I think it'll just be the MSM trying to dishearten us. I don't think this is really going to affect him in NH or IA

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

I see you signed up in November. There was one debate where four of them directly lied to the audience with newspaper articles from years past showing it - and I posted it at the time. In one debate. And Newt Gingrich was caught lying *in* the debate. The media acted like it didn't happen.

Let's see - Romney lied about not hiring illegal immigrants, Gingrich lied about not being for individual mandates, and I forget the other two. All bold faced direct lies that they knew there was no possibility of people who cared to research knowing it. All in one debate. Newt Gingrich even laughed when caught.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I don't even know where to start. I think this is it, we're going to war with Iran. The only question is if Paul will say I told you so before or after the election.

I cant believe this warmongering bullshit.

Iran has an insignificant military next to Israel, and even if they wanted to attack, they couldn't attack us, so why should we be the ones to stop them?

Oh, I can't agree more with this post.

I really don't know what is more unbelievable: the fact that the GOP leadership is using these stale, tired tactics of fearmongering once again, just as they did in 2004, 2008. Or the fact that the GOP voters are actually buying it again.

Welcome to the r3volution.

 

[bobbyw24]

Same stuff at Townhall

His fans will adamantly disagree, but Ron Paul disqualifies himself with every answer he offers on Iranian nuclear weapons. He came out against an invasion of Iran to prevent them from acquiring nuclear weapons. Many would argue the US should never take options off the table, especially with such high civilizational stakes, but Paul's position is at least defensible on that point. Where he really goes off the rails is when he rejects sanctions as an option, and even suggests that openly opposing Iran's nuclear ambitions rhetorically emboldens them to pursue the weapons programs. He almost crossed over into advocating for Iranian nukes at one point, pointing out that, hey, they're surrounded by some nuclear states, so why not?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/12/15/the_final_2011_gop_debate_winners_and_losers

 

[economics102]

To anyone that watched the debate and has half a brain, they'll recognize that what Dr. Paul said was the truth. I thought he was brilliant and came across brilliantly. To those without half a brain, we can't necessarily win them over, and if the only way to prevent the MSM from spinning truth into lies is by not telling truths then we're just going to have to put up with the spin.