Monitoring refugees?

[nikcers]

See post #17.
So he is trying to prevent us from being spied on by allowing more spying to happen? Once a system is in place to spy even more than they already are, they will begin to extol the benefits of using it on citizens too.

No he prefers that if there must be government spying then it should be on aliens and not Americans.

 

[Yieu]

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[givemeliberty2010]

Excuse me, I seem to have forgotten where I was. I thought I was talking mostly to people who were outraged when big-government Republicans started to say constitutional rights only applied to U.S. citizens.

 

[notsure]

Excuse me, I seem to have forgotten where I was. I thought I was talking mostly to people who were outraged when big-government Republicans started to say constitutional rights only applied to U.S. citizens.

When did big-government Republicans say that?

 

[notsure]

I've never heard Rand say anything about spying on anyone; he has said that we need a better way of tracking people who come here on visas or as refugees, and that we need more stricter screening procedures for admitting refugees from countries with significant jihadist movements.

 

[givemeliberty2010]

Maybe I should have said the defenders of big-government Republicans. I do not know (although I suspect) that John McCain said rights only were for citizens, but their defenders said their ideas were all right at least as long as the ideas, like indefinite detention, did not affect citizens.

 

[Yieu]

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[givemeliberty2010]

I've never heard Rand say anything about spying on anyone; he has said that we need a better way of tracking people who come here on visas or as refugees, and that we need more stricter screening procedures for admitting refugees from countries with significant jihadist movements.

Rand Paul of all people should know what the word "monitor" can include.

 

[nikcers]

Well, now you have. From randpaul.com:
You mean spying on people? Regardless of whether they have a visa, are a refugee, or are a citizen, that is what it amounts to.

Well yeah, I guess if you take it out of the context of the foreign policy and privacy discussion society is having in post PARIS-GATE 2015. I guess that is honest, it just seems like you are making a terrible argument that i should instead vote for any other candidate that is purposing for more war and more spying on Americans.

 

[hells_unicorn]

I think it's a pretty valid question. If you guys can't answer it instead of saying "SCRAM!" then it is rather telling.

So can anyone explain HOW the monitoring will take place?

There is nothing to answer, these people are not American citizens, they are not entitled to all the damned free welfare money that they will gobble up (frankly, I don't think anybody should be getting welfare without doing some sort of work), and frankly they are not our fucking problem. If you want to play Santa Claus with tax money, you belong with the Bernie Sanders campaign.

 

[MelissaWV]

There is nothing to answer, these people are not American citizens, they are not entitled to all the damned free welfare money that they will gobble up (frankly, I don't think anybody should be getting welfare without doing some sort of work), and frankly they are not our fucking problem. If you want to play Santa Claus with tax money, you belong with the Bernie Sanders campaign.

None of that answers what kind of monitoring will be used.

It does, however, toss out a bunch of baseless accusations. If the OP were someone merely curious about what Rand's position on this was, this thread would not be very helpful in clearing anything up. It pretty much just plays into the cliché of Ron/Rand supporters being a bunch of angry kooks.

Do you have any idea what kind of monitoring will be used? And what safeguards are in place so the program is not expanded to unconstitutionally include citizens in its tracking?

Or will you spew some other totally irrelevant nonsense at me instead?

 

[givemeliberty2010]

Well yeah, I guess if you take it out of the context of the foreign policy and privacy discussion society is having in post PARIS-GATE 2015. I guess that is honest, it just seems like you are making a terrible argument that i should instead vote for any other candidate that is purposing for more war and more spying on Americans.

Ron Paul stood against the idea that 9/11 changed everything, so why should Rand Paul now accept that 11/13 changed everything?

 

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[notsure]

I'm all in favor of the monitoring of Syrian refugees. I think it's a terrible mistake to just let these people in collectively. This whole thing could be a cover to bring in more terrorists who will attack us to increase the public sentiment to continue expanded wars in the middle east and put US boots on the ground in Syria.

 

[Yieu]

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[notsure]

If that is how you feel, then I think you would have a very hard time arguing that American citizens should not be monitored.

Syria is not America. We are inviting a known threat onto our land. WE shouldn't be having them at all. But if we are, we need to know that they won't be a risk to Americans.

 

[notsure]

I'm not against monitoring; I just think the gov't has to have permission and reasonable cause to monitor or "spy" on anyone. Being a Syrian refugee is a good reason to be monitored.

 

[specsaregood]

Ron Paul stood against the idea that 9/11 changed everything, so why should Rand Paul now accept that 11/13 changed everything?

I guess you missed the part where Randal proposed pretty much this same bill in 2013? Hell, this was part of his standard stump speech for a long time.