Monitoring refugees?

[givemeliberty2010]

Can someone explain Rand Paul's plan to monitor Syrian refugees? I am considering withdrawing my support of his candidacy.

 

[FriedChicken]

Ok, withdraw it. You're from Indiana, like me, what difference do you think you'll make? I'm sure you'll make some scathing facebook post no one will care about. Thank you for your service!

 

[nikcers]

The new media talking point is that libertarians hate his immigration bill to make our vetting process stricter for people from certain places that we are at war with calling it basically racist. Most people that are libertarians are more informed about the middle east and don't believe the media narratives. They know that there is no way to even verify that these people are even coming from Syria. They know that some "refugees" have already gotten through our application process and they end up finding out that they were "refugees" after they commit terrorism or get convicted of conspiracy for doing shady terrorist like activities. They know that some of these people persecute and kill people just for being a different religion. They know that some of these people are economic migrants and if we are going to turn people away and deport people at the southern border for being economic migrants then we should turn them away elsewhere.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Can someone explain Rand Paul's plan to monitor Syrian refugees? I am considering withdrawing my support of his candidacy.

If you're dumb enough to withdraw your support because Rand isn't going to just let tons of welfare brats from the Middle East (most of them young men) in here to sap all of our resources and a few of them maybe blowing some stuff up or shooting people, you don't belong supporting his candidacy. Seriously, do your research or just get the fudge out of here. Get over yourself and knockoff the theatrics and melodrama.

 

[robert9712000]

If you're dumb enough to withdraw your support because Rand isn't going to just let tons of welfare brats from the Middle East (most of them young men) in here to sap all of our resources and a few of them maybe blowing some stuff up or shooting people, you don't belong supporting his candidacy. Seriously, do your research or just get the fudge out of here. Get over yourself and knockoff the theatrics and melodrama.

I have to agree here. I am all for Libertarian ideals, but you need to have common sense as well. Instead of just blindly thinking every situation in Life demands the same response, you need to make a rational decision based on the facts.

As much as i feel bad for the true refugees fleeing persecution, their is no way to know who is lying and who is not. As HC said, does it not seem odd that most are young men who are wanting to come over. I could more have trust if they were all women children and the elderly.This attitude that we need to help them is the same attitude that we should be the policemen of the world. As nice as it would be to help everyone in need, the safety of American citizens comes first.

 

[69360]

Terrorists are sneaking into western countries with refugees. This is a known proven fact. Vetting who is who and keeping tabs on them just makes common sense.

 

[givemeliberty2010]

Am I the only one who remembers Paul being against the government monitoring people?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Let's just monitor everybody. We are all terrorists of some sort.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Terrorists are sneaking into western countries with refugees. This is a known proven fact. Vetting who is who and keeping tabs on them just makes common sense.

The current vetting system has at least 14 layers and takes about two years to get through. About half get rejected (and most of those were not terrorists). Germany has had half a million enter their country just this year. We have suggested taking 10,000 over a decade. Odds are we won't be getting terrorists among them. (noting that terrorists like those on 9/11 can more easily enter the country other ways- like getting a tourist visa).

 

[MelissaWV]

I think it's a pretty valid question. If you guys can't answer it instead of saying "SCRAM!" then it is rather telling.

So can anyone explain HOW the monitoring will take place?

 

[nikcers]

Am I the only one who remembers Paul being against the government monitoring people?

False that is the media spin, Rand has always fought for American's fourth amendment rights, this is about vetting people better that come here before they get here so they do not need to monitor everybody here.. this is his argument against the other candidates that are purposing more government surveillance.

 

[givemeliberty2010]

No, his own website says after they are admitted they are to be monitored.

 

[Yieu]

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[nikcers]

No, his own website says after they are admitted they are to be monitored.

No, it is false because they are not American Citizens and they do not get American rights like we do. Especially because we are at war with the crazy people that they are fleeing from. How hard would it be for a radical Islamist to hold on to an innocent refugee's little girl or son and black mail them into doing their bidding when they get here?

 

[givemeliberty2010]

This is like what we heard from Sens. Lieberman and McCain about suspected terrorists being detained indefinitely, except these people are not even suspected.

 

[specsaregood]

Can someone explain Rand Paul's plan to monitor Syrian refugees? I am considering withdrawing my support of his candidacy.

Let me get this straight. You are considering withdrawing support from the man that has done the most to try to stop the failed policies that have helped create the environment where these refugees exist; because you don't like his proposal to deal with this no win situation that he had no hand in creating? A proposal in which he tries to protect both the liberty and security for the American citizens he is sworn to serve by limiting the movement of foreign nationals in which he has no duty towards? huh?

I'm pretty sure Randal knows that the next time one of these "refugees" or any foreign nationals successfully pulls off a terrorist attack in the united states you can say goodbye permanently to any rights you think you might have. I think his plan is pretty much common sense really and can only see people that don't believe in national borders having a problem with it.

 

[Yieu]

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[Crashland]

I really couldn't care less. It's obvious why Rand is saying this. Preventing your withdrawal of support is not worth an automatic game-over for the campaign.

 

[nikcers]

From randpaul.com:

1) Aliens already admitted from high-risk countries have been fingerprinted and screened, pose no terrorist risk, and are being monitored for terrorist activity
I am not okay with this. I thought he wanted to protect 4th Amendment rights? Well, I guess he no longer champions privacy.

Whats wrong with monitoring Aliens? One could even argue that you should monitor Aliens because they are more likely to commit Islamic terrorism then you know people who do not follow that religion. This is his argument against the other candidates purposing blanket increases in using government surveillance to monitor American citizens.

 

[Yieu]

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