MO - Women refused treatment at hospital, then arrested, then dies in jail.

[angelatc]

Oh this thread is gonna be good ... Insults begin on page 1 ... I can hardly wait to see what this devolves into.

This is a person who thinks that the entire medical community is involved in a secret conspiracy to kill us all. It's fun to poke at her, but there's no chance that any cohesive dialogue will come from it. Because you can't get sanity from insanity, even though many are tempted to try.

 

[azxd]

Yes, indeed. That is where we began this argument. The incompetence of doctors not being able to figure out that if the lady said she couldn't walk and was in excruciating pain they might want to get her on a blood thinner immediately. I am not even a doctor and that was my first reaction once reading the article.

The bottom line is she was indigent and people just don't care--that's the sad truth!

That's not the truth. The truth is that she was examined by 3 different medical teams and none of them found it.

The investigation found that medical staff conducted an ultrasound of Brown's legs about 24 hours before she died, which did not reveal any clots.​

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...173-582e-99da-e1858875883d.html#ixzz1quzIrgwZ​

Logic and truth do not fit the portrayal of intentional bias which some think is of utmost importance.

 

[azxd]

I wish I too was born with the ability to see what is in others' hearts. I'm sure that is it, nobody cares.

Ahh ... You catch on quick to the super powers which some possess

 

[azxd]

Post #11

Let me see...if someone is telling you they cannot walk their legs are hurting them, it is incumbent upon the doctor to have some idea--like phlebitis/Thrombosis?

The problem is there are no more diagnosticians--they rely too heavily on machines for answers!!

Post #13

There obviously was a problem, since she is DEAD! You act as if "for free" is something bad. Doctors used to give pro bono time to patients--that has truly gone by the way side thanks to government interventions and lawyers!

A good doctor would have used his noggin (like diagnosticians used to do) rather than relying on machines to tell them nothing is wrong...it was all in her head.

Now she is dead, and three children are without a mother!!

And it's TOTALLY YOUR FAULT for not using your crystal ball and preventing this.

 

[angelatc]

You're still here? I answered your bonus question in post #67.

No, you didn't. You still haven't told me what could have happened if they gave her a blood thinner and the diagnosis was incorrect, and you haven't told us why you think an MRI would show clots that the ultrasound didn't....you haven't done anything except Google medical conditions that can cause leg pain.

Come on - you gloated that your diagnostic ability was so amazing you were able to tell what was wrong with this woman just from reading a posthumous newspaper account. Please tell us what the hospital should have done differently - bonus points if you can point out anywhere that they diverted from proper medical protocol.

 

[azxd]

You are smarter than all the doctors in St Louis. Yeah, we got that already. But aside from calling you, what else, specifically should they have done to make the correct diagnosis?

The doctors should have done nothing ... This is donnay's fault.
He alone knew what was wrong and should have acted.

 

[angelatc]

No, i have no lack of humanity. I'm stating reality. She went to 3 hospitals, none of them could find the problem. So what are they supposed to do? Treat her indefinitely?

The point, according to Donnay, is that she died from both a lack of compassion and an insidious plot within the medical community. Poor thing never stood a chance.

 

[azxd]

Didn't they run three tests on her and could not find anything?

If you can't help, then you can't help.

That only flies if you think this thread is about healthcare ... It's another AF cop bashing thread ... It's just being disguised.

 

[angelatc]

The doctors should have done nothing ... This is donnay's fault.
He alone knew what was wrong and should have acted.

But shouldn't they have at least cared enough to call her?

 

[azxd]

You can get an MRI for $400. And it appears that she was already enrolled in MedicAid, so she had government health insurance already, too.

I was hoping you'd mention diabetes, but that's fine. We don't know that she didn't get an MRI. We do know that she got an ultrasound, which is considered more effective than an MRI at detecting them.

I know you're convinced that she died only because people simply hate poor people - but then how do you explain the death of my friend? She had insurance, money wasn't the object. Additionally, she had a condition that meant she was at a higher risk for a DVT than the dead woman you're grieving, yet despite seeking medical attention as instructed, she's just as dead.

Just a few weeks ago, another friend's husband died of pneumonia. He was in the hospital, too.

Here's the deal: sometimes sick people die. There's nothing here to indicate that the woman didn't get a routine standard of medical care. It's sad that her kids are orphans, but my friend's kids lost their Mom too. Real life sucks, but if you think I'm going to advocate giving better medical to mothers than other members of society, well, I guess you can guess how far I'll support that.

As far as I'm concerned, this is just the Dems ramping up the case for a single payer system, which would ironically mean that none of us will ever get an MRI in this instance.

From the article: Ain't that America. If somebody died, it can't just be a tragedy, or God's will....even if everybody did everything exactly right, we absolutely need somebody to blame.

Strangely I believe the Obamacare supporting portion of RPF is being exposed by your words.

 

[azxd]

I think the problem is when, despite her obvious condition, they DRAGGED her into a jail cell and left her on the floor. Should the cops not be responsible for that?

Justify why they should be held responsible, if you can.

On a side note:
I guess no one cares about Travon, anymore ... NEW NATIONAL CRISIS ... Woman dies, cops to blame.

 

[angelatc]

This. As much as it stings, this. ^^^

Really we do need more doctors.

Sure, and the medical community keeps a pretty tight lid on the number that are allowed to practice. But you're making an important point, and that is that doctors and nurses play detective as much as they practice medicine. People lie about themselves - they lie about using drugs, they lie about their sex lives, they make up symptoms to get narcotics and/or a warm bed. ER doctors get to see the worst abuses in the medical system. It's a high pressure, high stress job, and as unfortunate as it it, if they allowed themselves to get devastated every time a patient died, nobody would ever make it out of residency.

Of course we want them to be our friends as well as our doctors, but its pretty unfair to ask them to make that emotional commitment with each and every patient that stumbles into the queue. Nobody could survive that - detaching is a necessary coping mechanism.

 

[azxd]

She died in September....so it's newsworthy now. Makes sense to me (not).

It makes sense if you can't find a better bleeding heart cop hating story to promote, or you want to draw attention toward the idea that Obamacare will save everyone.

 

[pcosmar]

It makes sense if you can't find a better bleeding heart cop hating story to promote, or you want to draw attention toward the idea that Obamacare will save everyone.

So are you deliberately trying to be an ASS or does it come naturally to you?

This is not about "Obamacare".

 

[angelatc]

So are you deliberately trying to be an ASS or does it come naturally to you?

This is not about "Obamacare".

You don't think? I absolutely do.

(And I guess you already know my nature. )

 

[azxd]

What's with the sudden disdain for science and private property rights on RPF?

The liberal progressive sleeper cell has been awakened, they are becoming bold with the idea that RP can't win, and are thus becoming more vocal of their true beliefs.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Sure, and the medical community keeps a pretty tight lid on the number that are allowed to practice. But you're making an important point, and that is that doctors and nurses play detective as much as they practice medicine.

See, there's a problem that I could get on board with finding a solution to (which would involve repealing some laws and such).

That'd be a much easier problem to solve than trying to keep people from dying.

Let's remember why we're here.

People lie about themselves - they lie about using drugs, they lie about their sex lives, they make up symptoms to get narcotics and/or a warm bed. ER doctors get to see the worst abuses in the medical system. It's a high pressure, high stress job, and as unfortunate as it it, if they allowed themselves to get devastated every time a patient died, nobody would ever make it out of residency.

Oh man, If people only knew, lol.

We're supposed to educate people on smoking cessation as part of care. We have to document that we did educate people on smoking cessation if they smoke, which is tracked by hospital accredidation agencies. The problem is that some people are afraid to admit to the nurse that they smoke, so we used to put down that the patient denies smoking and then we'd skip the cessation education part. But then we realized that people would later admit to smoking, and the paperwork showed that we didn't educate them on quitting, which raised eyebrows when it came time for the audits. It's detective work, alright.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Anytime a patient complains of problems that can't be seen on one of their bullshit tests, doctors claim you have mental problems. My guess is this woman had a history of PHYSICAL problems that were not detected by their machines, so doctors just claimed she was mental. This happens all the time.

Unless a patient is coming into the doctors office just to fuck with him, odds are if the patient is complaining of pain, he has a real physical problem that needs to be addressed. Another issue I have with doctors is that they feel pain is just pain and is not a real physical problem. This is not the case.

True. They act like the pain is what's wrong, when really, the pain is just a symptom of what's wrong. The whole modern medicine scheme is based on treating the symptom and leaving the problem so that it can come back later and, guess what, the patient is back for more "medicine."

 

[azxd]

Oh, she died because the world is a cold, heartless machine. Got it.

I am just amazed that so many of you here are taking the liberal route with these pathetic appeals to emotion. (She was a Mom! She was homeless! She was poor!) I'm two steps away from being a hermit, and when I venture out into the world I am always amazed at how warm and caring 95% of the people out there actually are. You'll never get me to buy into the fact that people don't care deeply about each other.

I've said it twice before - she got a routine standard of medical care. She died. Sometimes that happens to sick people.

I'm not ... The selective use of the guiding principles of Liberty is a very common thing.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Oh, she died because the world is a cold, heartless machine. Got it.

I am just amazed that so many of you here are taking the liberal route with these pathetic appeals to emotion. (She was a Mom! She was homeless! She was poor!) I'm two steps away from being a hermit, and when I venture out into the world I am always amazed at how warm and caring 95% of the people out there actually are. You'll never get me to buy into the fact that people don't care deeply about each other.

I've said it twice before - she got a routine standard of medical care. She died. Sometimes that happens to sick people.

No wonder you're pretty much a hermit, because this "warm and caring" world you speak of sure hasn't rubbed off any on you.