MO - Women refused treatment at hospital, then arrested, then dies in jail.

[dannno]

If there were no shelters available, taking her to a jailcell might have been the humanitarian thing to do.

If it were voluntary.

 

[Diurdi]

The machines may not have a 100% success rate, but doctors assume they do have a 100% success rate. If a test comes back negative, they just assume you are delusional and have no problems.

Didn't they run three tests on her and could not find anything?

If you can't help, then you can't help.

 

[angelatc]

How about fix the problem? In most cases, when someone has pain, there is an underlying health problem.

You just said it yourself! "In most cases....." Did you read the article? The doctor said she wasn't even in pain.

 

[angelatc]

Didn't they run three tests on her and could not find anything?

If you can't help, then you can't help.

No, three hospitals treated her. I suspect they ran far more than 3 tests on her.

 

[randfan7]

If it were voluntary.

Trespassing only holds up if you are asked to leave. Sounds likes he was asked to leave repeatedly and voluntarily stayed. I can see somebody seeing giving a homeless person a night in a jailcell as humanitarian.

 

[angelatc]

Trespassing only holds up if you are asked to leave. Sounds likes he was asked to leave repeatedly and voluntarily stayed. I can see somebody seeing giving a homeless person a night in a jailcell as humanitarian.

Sure, and I can vouch that homeless people will complain of pain in order to score a night in a comfy cot in the ER.

 

[donnay]

The doctor that saved my life had a horrible personality. He was an arrogant prick that wouldn't even speak directly to me until he realized he could publish a paper about me. The nicest doctor I ever met was not gifted in unusual diagnosis, apparently.

You didn't answer the question. Since ultrasound is considered the best way to detect a DVT, what would you have done to make the diagnosis? Bonus points if you can name 5 other conditions that can produce the same symptoms, and I'll shut up and leave Ron Paul Forums forever if you can tell me, in layman's terms, damage they could have done if they had prescribed a "just in case" blood thinner and the ultimate diagnosis was different.

Cellulitis, compartment syndrome, popliteal or Baker’s cyst, arterial vascular disease, and Lymphedema. Did I pass the test Nurse Ratched?

They could have taken the precautions in thinking it could be a blood clot--even aspirin would have been good to thin the blood. Then they could have done an MRI--but since we know how expensive that is, of course it wasn't done.

 

[angelatc]

Cellulitis, compartment syndrome, popliteal or Baker’s cyst, arterial vascular disease, and Lymphedema. Did I pass the test Nurse Ratched?

They could have taken the precautions in thinking it could be a blood clot--even aspirin would have been good to thin the blood. Then they could have done an MRI--but since we know how expensive that is, of course it wasn't done.

You can get an MRI for $400. And it appears that she was already enrolled in MedicAid, so she had government health insurance already, too.

I was hoping you'd mention diabetes, but that's fine. We don't know that she didn't get an MRI. We do know that she got an ultrasound, which is considered more effective than an MRI at detecting them.

I know you're convinced that she died only because people simply hate poor people - but then how do you explain the death of my friend? She had insurance, money wasn't the object. Additionally, she had a condition that meant she was at a higher risk for a DVT than the dead woman you're grieving, yet despite seeking medical attention as instructed, she's just as dead.

Just a few weeks ago, another friend's husband died of pneumonia. He was in the hospital, too.

Here's the deal: sometimes sick people die. There's nothing here to indicate that the woman didn't get a routine standard of medical care. It's sad that her kids are orphans, but my friend's kids lost their Mom too. Real life sucks, but if you think I'm going to advocate giving better medical to mothers than other members of society, well, I guess you can guess how far I'll support that.

As far as I'm concerned, this is just the Dems ramping up the case for a single payer system, which would ironically mean that none of us will ever get an MRI in this instance.

From the article:

"And it's just so horrible to learn just how selfish people really are because nobody is admitting they did anything wrong in this."

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...173-582e-99da-e1858875883d.html#ixzz1qvM6QMLV​

Ain't that America. If somebody died, it can't just be a tragedy, or God's will....even if everybody did everything exactly right, we absolutely need somebody to blame.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

So is it your position that:

A. The woman was entitled to more free medical care?

B. The cops should not enforce trespass laws?

I think the problem is when, despite her obvious condition, they DRAGGED her into a jail cell and left her on the floor. Should the cops not be responsible for that?

 

[angelatc]

Here's a woman who lived in New Zealand. They have government care there. She complained of pain for six years before she died.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/6299683/Woman-dies-after-cancer-goes-untreated

 

[PaulConventionWV]

+rep

Well, randfan7 does have a point. She was homeless. Ergo, no home to be taken to.

 

[angelatc]

I think the problem is when, despite her obvious condition, they DRAGGED her into a jail cell and left her on the floor. Should the cops not be responsible for that?

That didn't kill her. They could have taken her back to the homeless shelter and she would be just as dead. Reading the woman's background, she has a history of psychological problems.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Not to sound rude, but they were probably without their mother for quite some time.

And Corrections officers are not doctors, so, if she comes from the hospital, and they said she was fine...are they supposed to not believe that? Unless, she was bleeding profusely or something why else would they not believe that? It is sad, I must admit

Maybe it's because they had to drag her...?

 

[randfan7]

As far as I'm concerned, this is just the Dems ramping up the case for a single payer system, which would ironically mean that none of us will ever get an MRI in this instance.

I'm sure it is coincidence that this comes up just as obamacare is back in the news due to the SC hearings.

 

[randfan7]

Maybe it's because they had to drag her...?

You think they dont have to drag people into cells every single day?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

"One nurse claimed she saw Brown put on her pants and stand."... nuff said.
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................ and who does she work for? Presumably she works for us? correct? The police brought her there... no?

"A St. Mary's doctor described Brown as exhibiting "no distress" during an examination Richmond Heights police requested before taking her to jail, according to a federal investigation into the hospital's conduct.

"My legs don't work!" Brown yelled as police wheeled her out of the hospital after the exam. Officers dragged her into the jail and left her on the floor of a jail cell, where she died."

So that would make it, safe to say without research I hope, a tax payer funded medical exam? And who here, if faced with the choice, would have refused to foot the bill if necessary, to save the womans life. If she decides later she wanted to die, she would be free to volunteer her usable organs for harvest and to so die while saving others... not a bad hue for posterity. The point is those people (Individual medical personnel and police) committed neglect, and that neglect lead the ultimate deprivation of liberty: the death of another person. Is their humor in the story, for a cynical imagination... yes. "My legs don't work!" is that honest colloquial literature? Or poor grammar done by the author?

Uh... wha? What's wrong with the grammar of that complete sentence? I mean, she could have used a better word than "work", but grammatically, it is a complete sentence. It is also a quote, not anything done by the author. They were just quoting her. Do you understand that?

 

[angelatc]

I'm sure it is coincidence that this comes up just as obamacare is back in the news due to the SC hearings.

She died in September....so it's newsworthy now. Makes sense to me (not).

 

[PaulConventionWV]

That's not the truth. The truth is that she was examined by 3 different medical teams and none of them found it.

The investigation found that medical staff conducted an ultrasound of Brown's legs about 24 hours before she died, which did not reveal any clots.​

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...173-582e-99da-e1858875883d.html#ixzz1quzIrgwZ​

So we should just rely on the ultrasound when there are pretty obvious symptoms here? If the machine doesn't say anything, she's either faking it or she's fine.

Also, the truth is that it very well could have been indigence as the reason she wasn't cared for. The fact that she saw 3 doctors doesn't make it any different. I know at least three people who look down on the homeless, don't you? How many do you wanna bet are doctors?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Again, 3 different hospitals ran tests on her. People die sometimes, even those that go to hospitals.

Yes, people die. The point is, she shouldn't have. "Tests" means nothing. Are you going to stop being so dogmatic now?

 

[randfan7]

So we should just rely on the ultrasound when there are pretty obvious symptoms here? If the machine doesn't say anything, she's either faking it or she's fine.

Yeah, thats it. Only 2 possible answers: she's faking or she's fine. couldn't be some other cause. I sure hope you aren't a doctor.