MO - Women refused treatment at hospital, then arrested, then dies in jail.

[Anti Federalist]

How many homeless invalids have you taken in? If the answer is zero, you might want to back off on juging the limits of the charity of others.

Wow, RPF is in a harsh mood today.

Normally, I would have come back at you with some smart ass remark about how you have no idea what type of charity I perform, followed by a cordial invitation to go and fornicate yourself with an iron bar.

I gues I'm in a better mood than the rest of the forum.

The number is greater than zero.

 

[donnay]

Sounds to me like some of you are afraid to state your true position, which is that everybody should get unlimited free healthcare. don't be afraid, come out and say it.

You have missed the mark by yards. You being a complete imbecile, and your sheer lack for humanity is quite telling.

 

[Acala]

There obviously was a problem, since she is DEAD! You act as if "for free" is something bad. Doctors used to give pro bono time to patients--that has truly gone by the way side thanks to government interventions and lawyers!


A good doctor would have used his noggin (like diagnosticians used to do) rather than relying on machines to tell them nothing is wrong...it was all in her head.

Now she is dead, and three children are without a mother!!

hinsight is always 20/20. People die. All the time. Modern medicine is pretty good but it is a LONG way from defeating death.

Additionally, hospitals, and other similar institutions, have a problem called triage. They have limited resources and a need that always exceeds it. They also have a constant stream of people who don't really need the resource - drug addicts looking for drugs, homeless people looking for a place to spend the night, emotionally disturbed looking for attention, the overly dramatic looking for a place to whine, and so on. They must sift through all of this, along with a stream of people who really need the resource but in varying degrees od urgency, and they must do it FAST. Second-guessing the FREE care they gave this woman is unfair.

 

[randfan7]

You have missed the mark by yards. You being a complete imbecile, and you sheer lack for humanity is quite telling.

No, i have no lack of humanity. I'm stating reality. She went to 3 hospitals, none of them could find the problem. So what are they supposed to do? Treat her indefinitely?

 

[mike6623]

There obviously was a problem, since she is DEAD! You act as if "for free" is something bad. Doctors used to give pro bono time to patients--that has truly gone by the way side thanks to government interventions and lawyers!


A good doctor would have used his noggin (like diagnosticians used to do) rather than relying on machines to tell them nothing is wrong...it was all in her head.

Now she is dead, and three children are without a mother!!

Not to sound rude, but they were probably without their mother for quite some time.

And Corrections officers are not doctors, so, if she comes from the hospital, and they said she was fine...are they supposed to not believe that? Unless, she was bleeding profusely or something why else would they not believe that? It is sad, I must admit

 

[donnay]

How many homeless invalids have you taken in? If the answer is zero, you might want to back off on juging the limits of the charity of others.

Sorry that is a bad analogy. Just look at the way invalid vets are treated. I have helped plenty of them, and that means by extension AF has too!

 

[donnay]

No, i have no lack of humanity. I'm stating reality. She went to 3 hospitals, none of them could find the problem. So what are they supposed to do? Treat her indefinitely?

The reality is that hospital care is a dismal failure. Someone that has thrombosis doesn't need infinite care, they need rest and a blood thinner, immediately.

 

[randfan7]

It is sad, I must admit

It is sad. But it doesn't mean the people that rendered her free aid are at fault.

 

[randfan7]

The reality is that hospital care is a dismal failure. Someone that has thrombosis doesn't need infinite care, they need rest and a blood thinner, immediately.[

You need a diagnosis of thrombosis first don't you?

 

[Acala]

Wow, RPF is in a harsh mood today.

Normally, I would have come back at you with some smart ass remark about how you have no idea what type of charity I perform, followed by a cordial invitation to go and fornicate yourself with an iron bar.

I gues I'm in a better mood than the rest of the forum.

The number is greater than zero.

Good for you. You are a better man than I am for taking care of sick strangers. So judge away since you think you are qualified. I have not so I don't feel free to judge the quality of other people's charity. The woman got some free health care. That's better than none, which is what she was ENTITLED to get. And then she violated the property rights of others. Need does not justify ignoring other people's rights.

 

[donnay]

It is sad. But it doesn't mean the people that rendered her free aid are at fault.

Incompetence is all around us. Don't forget our charitable tax paying dollars that the government used to subsidize hospitals!

 

[bolil]

"One nurse claimed she saw Brown put on her pants and stand."... nuff said.
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................ and who does she work for? Presumably she works for us? correct? The police brought her there... no?

"A St. Mary's doctor described Brown as exhibiting "no distress" during an examination Richmond Heights police requested before taking her to jail, according to a federal investigation into the hospital's conduct.

"My legs don't work!" Brown yelled as police wheeled her out of the hospital after the exam. Officers dragged her into the jail and left her on the floor of a jail cell, where she died."

So that would make it, safe to say without research I hope, a tax payer funded medical exam? And who here, if faced with the choice, would have refused to foot the bill if necessary, to save the womans life. If she decides later she wanted to die, she would be free to volunteer her usable organs for harvest and to so die while saving others... not a bad hue for posterity. The point is those people (Individual medical personnel and police) committed neglect, and that neglect lead the ultimate deprivation of liberty: the death of another person. Is their humor in the story, for a cynical imagination... yes. "My legs don't work!" is that honest colloquial literature? Or poor grammar done by the author?

 

[randfan7]

Incompetence is all around us. Don't forget our charitable tax paying dollars that the government used to subsidize hospitals!

You'll get no argument from me there. But still, it was better treatment than she paid for and from 3 different hospitals! I happen to like Sen. Rand's position of letting doctors deduct ALL pro-bono work from their income taxes. I think he should expand it to cover nurses as well.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Good for you. You are a better man than I am for taking care of sick strangers. So judge away since you think you are qualified. I have not so I don't feel free to judge the quality of other people's charity. The woman got some free health care. That's better than none, which is what she was ENTITLED to get. And then she violated the property rights of others. Need does not justify ignoring other people's rights.

All I'm judging is the continual increase in the propensity of cops to throw people in jail for the slightest thing.

The women was dying, she knew something was wrong, and they arrested her, threw her in the clink, where she, surprise, died.

I don't have all the answers, never claimed to have all the answers and never claimed sainthood either.

I'm just sure of one thing: I don't like the idea of people being thrown in prison for making a scene because they're dying and nobody seems able or willing to help.

If that makes me a communist or some such, well, so be it then.

Not to mention, my family just came through an ugly, close encounter with the hospital/medical/police complex and it's left a bitter taste in my mouth.

 

[Acala]

All I'm judging is the continual increase in the propensity of cops to throw people in jail for the slightest thing.

The women was dying, she knew something was wrong, and they arrested her, threw her in the clink, where she, surprise, died.

I don't have all the answers, never claimed to have all the answers and never claimed sainthood either.

I'm just sure of one thing: I don't like the idea of people being thrown in prison for making a scene because they're dying and nobody seems able or willing to help.

If that makes me a communist or some such, well, so be it then.

Not to mention, my family just came through an ugly, close encounter with the hospital/medical/police complex and it's left a bitter taste in my mouth.

The health care system sucks. We agree.

MANY cops are bullies. We agree.

There are MANY things that are illegal that should not be. We agree.

That is probably close enough to full agreement.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The healtyh care system sucks. We agree.

MANY cops are bullies. We agree.

There are MAHNY things that are illegal that should not be. We agree.

That is probably close enough to full agreement.

Agreed.

 

[angelatc]

You need a diagnosis of thrombosis first don't you?

It's pretty easy to diagnose in retrospect. Like I said above, I had a friend who was the classic case. They were specifically looking for it in her, and still could not find it.

But because she wasn't a poster child for single-payer health care and mandated compassion, nobody wants to talk about her.

 

[fisharmor]

Sounds to me like some of you are afraid to state your true position, which is that everybody should get unlimited free healthcare. don't be afraid, come out and say it.

My true position is that doctors should make an attempt to heal the sick.
My further position is that when doctors utterly fail in their basic duty (healing the sick) they ought not to point fingers at the state and utter the divine incantation of blame-shifting: "We did everything within protocol".

My position is the libertarian position. The state is to blame, again.

 

[donnay]

You need a diagnosis of thrombosis first don't you?

Yes, indeed. That is where we began this argument. The incompetence of doctors not being able to figure out that if the lady said she couldn't walk and was in excruciating pain they might want to get her on a blood thinner immediately. I am not even a doctor and that was my first reaction once reading the article.

The bottom line is she was indigent and people just don't care--that's the sad truth!

 

[angelatc]

Yes, indeed. That is where we began this argument. The incompetence of doctors not being able to figure out that if the lady said she couldn't walk and was in excruciating pain they might want to get her on a blood thinner immediately. I am not even a doctor and that was my first reaction once reading the article.

The bottom line is she was indigent and people just don't care--that's the sad truth!

That's not the truth. The truth is that she was examined by 3 different medical teams and none of them found it.

The investigation found that medical staff conducted an ultrasound of Brown's legs about 24 hours before she died, which did not reveal any clots.​

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