MO - Women refused treatment at hospital, then arrested, then dies in jail.

[fisharmor]

I also think the socialized medicine argument doesn't hold any water.
Two young children are now inevitably going to end up on the government dole.
I don't think that's going to total up to less than the cost of a competent diagnosis and a blood thinner.

 

[randfan7]

The bottom line is she was indigent and people just don't care--that's the sad truth!

I wish I too was born with the ability to see what is in others' hearts. I'm sure that is it, nobody cares.

 

[angelatc]

I also think the socialized medicine argument doesn't hold any water.
Two young children are now inevitably going to end up on the government dole.
I don't think that's going to total up to less than the cost of a competent diagnosis and a blood thinner.

Again, 3 different hospitals ran tests on her. People die sometimes, even those that go to hospitals.

 

[donnay]

That's not the truth. The truth is that she was examined by 3 different medical teams and none of them found it.

The investigation found that medical staff conducted an ultrasound of Brown's legs about 24 hours before she died, which did not reveal any clots.​

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...173-582e-99da-e1858875883d.html#ixzz1quzIrgwZ​

Post #11

Let me see...if someone is telling you they cannot walk their legs are hurting them, it is incumbent upon the doctor to have some idea--like phlebitis/Thrombosis?

The problem is there are no more diagnosticians--they rely too heavily on machines for answers!!

Post #13

There obviously was a problem, since she is DEAD! You act as if "for free" is something bad. Doctors used to give pro bono time to patients--that has truly gone by the way side thanks to government interventions and lawyers!

A good doctor would have used his noggin (like diagnosticians used to do) rather than relying on machines to tell them nothing is wrong...it was all in her head.

Now she is dead, and three children are without a mother!!

 

[Ender]

Sounds to me like some of you are afraid to state your true position, which is that everybody should get unlimited free healthcare. don't be afraid, come out and say it.

Sounds like it was a Catholic hospital and yes, they do treat for free- part of their mission.

 

[fisharmor]

Again, 3 different hospitals ran tests on her. People die sometimes, even those that go to hospitals.

I'm not saying they don't.
I'm saying that when random people (ok not *that* random) show up in internet fora to pronounce that they know about this condition, that's a pretty big clue that we're not talking about some great unknown here.
If people who aren't physicians know about this, that means the medical professionals fucked up.
The fact that three different hospitals failed to diagnose it isn't proof that it was undiagnosable.
It's proof that the system they're operating under is malfunctioning.

 

[angelatc]

Post #11

Let me see...if someone is telling you they cannot walk their legs are hurting them, it is incumbent upon the doctor to have some idea--like phlebitis/Thrombosis?

The problem is there are no more diagnosticians--they rely too heavily on machines for answers!!

Post #13

There obviously was a problem, since she is DEAD! You act as if "for free" is something bad. Doctors used to give pro bono time to patients--that has truly gone by the way side thanks to government interventions and lawyers!

A good doctor would have used his noggin (like diagnosticians used to do) rather than relying on machines to tell them nothing is wrong...it was all in her head.

Now she is dead, and three children are without a mother!!

You are smarter than all the doctors in St Louis. Yeah, we got that already. But aside from calling you, what else, specifically should they have done to make the correct diagnosis?

 

[angelatc]

I'm not saying they don't.
I'm saying that when random people (ok not *that* random) show up in internet fora to pronounce that they know about this condition, that's a pretty big clue that we're not talking about some great unknown here.
If people who aren't physicians know about this, that means the medical professionals fucked up.
The fact that three different hospitals failed to diagnose it isn't proof that it was undiagnosable.
It's proof that the system they're operating under is malfunctioning.

No, it's proof that medicine isn't a perfect science. They can do everything right, and yet people will still die.

People on the internet making the diagnosis post mortem aren't part of the equation, unless you honestly believe that all unexplained leg pain is obviously thrombosis. If that's the case, then there's really no need for the discussion to go any farther.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not saying they don't.
I'm saying that when random people (ok not *that* random) show up in internet fora to pronounce that they know about this condition, that's a pretty big clue that we're not talking about some great unknown here.
If people who aren't physicians know about this, that means the medical professionals fucked up.
The fact that three different hospitals failed to diagnose it isn't proof that it was undiagnosable.
It's proof that the system they're operating under is malfunctioning.

This.

Obviously something was wrong.

And because somebody, somewhere in this whole cluster fuck, got a case of the red ass because this women was making a scene trying to convey the fact that "Hey, something is seriously wrong with me!", they called cops, who do what they do best, throw people in jail, where she died.

 

[specsaregood]

If that makes me a communist or some such, well, so be it then.

I knew it!

 

[donnay]

You are smarter than all the doctors in St Louis. Yeah, we got that already. But aside from calling you, what else, specifically should they have done to make the correct diagnosis?

You really are a class act, Angela. Thank God you're not a doctor, your bedside manner would really suck.

 

[Diurdi]

Medical professionals do not have a 100% success rate, no matter how good they are, because the machines they use are not 100%.

I'm fairly certain you have all sorts of lunatics who demand they recieve prescription level painkillers from the hospital to satisfy their addiction, by faking pain. According to articles, she had some sort of injury in her foot that would heal itself after some time, but caused a lot of pain.

 

[tttppp]

This is pretty much consistent of my experience in hospitals. I tell them I have a serious condition that needs to get fixed, they tell me "you're fine...get out...and pay us thousands of dollars for wasting 5 minutes of our time." Complete piss poor care.

 

[angelatc]

This.

Obviously something was wrong.

And because somebody, somewhere in this whole cluster fuck, got a case of the red ass because this women was making a scene trying to convey the fact that "Hey, something is seriously wrong with me!", they called cops, who do what they do best, throw people in jail, where she died.

She would likely have died anywhere she happened to land. Like it or not, DVT isn't the obvious diagnosis that people here want to pretend that it is.

 

[tttppp]

Medical professionals do not have a 100% successrate, no matter how good they are, because the machines they use are not 100%.

I'm fairly certain you have all sorts of lunatics who demand they recieve prescription level painkillers from the hospital to satisfy their addiction, by faking pain. According to articles, she had some sort of injury in her foot that would heal itself after some time, but caused a lot of pain.

The machines may not have a 100% success rate, but doctors assume they do have a 100% success rate. If a test comes back negative, they just assume you are delusional and have no problems.

 

[angelatc]

You really are a class act, Angela. Thank God you're not a doctor, your bedside manner would really suck.

The doctor that saved my life had a horrible personality. He was an arrogant prick that wouldn't even speak directly to me until he realized he could publish a paper about me. The nicest doctor I ever met was not gifted in unusual diagnosis, apparently.

You didn't answer the question. Since ultrasound is considered the best way to detect a DVT, and the fact that they ran at least one indicates they were probably looking for it.....what would you have done to make the diagnosis? Bonus points if you can name 5 other conditions that can produce the same symptoms, and I'll shut up and leave Ron Paul Forums forever if you can tell me, in layman's terms, damage they could have done if they had prescribed a "just in case" blood thinner and the ultimate diagnosis was different.

 

[tttppp]

Again, 3 different hospitals ran tests on her. People die sometimes, even those that go to hospitals.

Chinese traditional medicine would have fixed her problem and saved her live. People do die in hospitals, but a large percentage of them die there because doctors are incompetent and western medicine is worthless.

 

[angelatc]

The machines may not have a 100% success rate, but doctors assume they do have a 100% success rate. If a test comes back negative, they just assume you are delusional and have no problems.

NM: Chinese Medicine says it all.

 

[tttppp]

No, i have no lack of humanity. I'm stating reality. She went to 3 hospitals, none of them could find the problem. So what are they supposed to do? Treat her indefinitely?

How about fix the problem? In most cases, when someone has pain, there is an underlying health problem.

 

[tttppp]

If you believe that, you *are* delusional.

How am I delusional? I've been to many doctors before. Thats what they do. They read the results of tests as if they came directly from God. And when they turn up negative, they are glad to kick you out and bill you as much as possible.