MLK AVATAR EXPLOSION for his Holiday weekend honoring Liberty..Peace..Freedom

This STUPID FUCKING DEBATE happens EVERY FUCKING YEAR. It NEVER accomplishes anything but division!

Yes, Martin Luther King, Jr. had some serious personal flaws, womanizing and plagiarism among them...but his proven flaws do not diminish his status as a leader of nonviolent demonstrations, nor do they spoil the wisdom of his powerful words in the areas where he agreed with us. He did favor socialism, but who in his position would not, who had not been exposed to a libertarian alternative to the rising tide of corporatism? He was not a full-blown Communist himself, because he specifically feared the totalitarianism that went with it. Was he used and discarded by Communists for specific purposes? Who knows?

Now, some may even dispute his nonviolence and the general nature of his activism. I have NO IDEA whether public opinion or Alan Stang are (or were, in Stang's case) more correct about what Martin Luther King, Jr. was like...but that is BESIDE THE POINT.

News flash:
For our purposes, it doesn't matter to what degree that MLK the legend may differ from MLK the person. The historical reality of MLK the person is irrelevant to most people, and I have serious doubts that it will ever be resolved by a historian with access to balanced, non-biased information. What is actually relevant is MLK the symbol, and to most people he symbolizes peaceful resistance to hatred and tyranny. For God's sake, is it so hard to put historical debate (and an unquenchable thirst for "being right") aside to embrace such a symbol? Even if you believe he was nothing like the titan he is portrayed to be, can you not at least allow his words and legend to do some good in this world?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hTH60N22lQs

Lead, follow, or get out of the way!
 
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Mini-Me said:
This STUPID FUCKING DEBATE happens EVERY FUCKING YEAR.

Yes, Martin Luther King, Jr. had some serious personal flaws, womanizing and plagiarism among them...but his flaws do not diminish his status as a leader of nonviolent demonstrations, nor do they spoil the wisdom of his words in the areas where he agreed with us. He did favor socialism, but who in his position would not, who had not been exposed to a libertarian alternative to the rising tide of corporatism? He was not a full-blown Communist himself, because he specifically feared the totalitarianism that went with it.

Now, some may even dispute his nonviolence, and the general nature of his activism. I have NO IDEA whether public opinion or Alan Stang are (or were, in Stang's case) more correct about what Martin Luther King, Jr. was like...but that is BESIDE THE POINT.

News flash:
For our purposes, it doesn't matter to what degree that MLK the legend may differ from MLK the person. The historical reality of MLK the person is irrelevant to most people, and I have serious doubts that it will ever be resolved by a historian with access to balanced, non-biased information. What is actually relevant is MLK the symbol, and to most people he symbolizes peaceful resistance to hatred and tyranny. For God's sake, is it so hard to put historical debate (and an unquenchable thirst for "being right") aside to embrace such a symbol? Even if you believe he was nothing like the titan he is portrayed to be, can you not allow his words and legend to do some good in this world?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hTH60N22lQs
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You don't have to support the man, but if people want to do it they should do it. Also you don't have to believe in what he believed in to like him.

Personally I respect civil disobedience even if the person has an agenda I disagree with. Apparently some can't tolerate opposing opinions.
 
Mini-Me said:
This STUPID FUCKING DEBATE happens EVERY FUCKING YEAR. It NEVER accomplishes anything but division!

Yes, Martin Luther King, Jr. had some serious personal flaws, womanizing and plagiarism among them...but his proven flaws do not diminish his status as a leader of nonviolent demonstrations, nor do they spoil the wisdom of his powerful words in the areas where he agreed with us. He did favor socialism, but who in his position would not, who had not been exposed to a libertarian alternative to the rising tide of corporatism? He was not a full-blown Communist himself, because he specifically feared the totalitarianism that went with it. Was he used and discarded by Communists for specific purposes? Who knows?

Now, some may even dispute his nonviolence and the general nature of his activism. I have NO IDEA whether public opinion or Alan Stang are (or were, in Stang's case) more correct about what Martin Luther King, Jr. was like...but that is BESIDE THE POINT.

News flash:
For our purposes, it doesn't matter to what degree that MLK the legend may differ from MLK the person. The historical reality of MLK the person is irrelevant to most people, and I have serious doubts that it will ever be resolved by a historian with access to balanced, non-biased information. What is actually relevant is MLK the symbol, and to most people he symbolizes peaceful resistance to hatred and tyranny. For God's sake, is it so hard to put historical debate (and an unquenchable thirst for "being right") aside to embrace such a symbol? Even if you believe he was nothing like the titan he is portrayed to be, can you not at least allow his words and legend to do some good in this world?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hTH60N22lQs

Lead, follow, or get out of the way!
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+rep
 
jersdream said:
LOL @ those sources. Especially Lew "I let Ron take the heat for the newsletters" Rockwell.
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I actually thought the same until earlier today, but it turns out we finally have a tentative name, which likely clears Lew on that account: It was James B. Powell, and his name shall live in infamy...sort of. He's [probably] the one who wrote the most widely cited newsletter, and I'm pleasantly surprised it didn't turn out to be Lew. (Thanks for finally fessing up, Jamie Kirchick, you little shit.*)

*...since I've been dropping F-bombs already.
 
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Mini-Me said:
I actually thought the same until earlier today, but it turns out we finally have a tentative name, which likely clears Lew on that account: It was James B. Powell, and his name shall live in infamy...sort of. He's [probably] the one who wrote the most widely cited newsletter, and I'm pleasantly surprised it didn't turn out to be Lew. (Thanks for finally fessing up, Jamie Kirchick, you little shit.*)

*...since I've been dropping F-bombs already.
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I suggest that you go to primary documents themselves. Many are available on the Internet. The quote above your post was indeed a part of a speech which JFK gave in 1961:

http://www.learner.org/workshops/primarysources/coldwar/docs/jfk.html
 
Bonnieblue said:
I suggest that you go to primary documents themselves. Many are available on the Internet. The quote above your post was indeed a part of a speech which JFK gave in 1961:

http://www.learner.org/workshops/primarysources/coldwar/docs/jfk.html
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OH! I see what you're responding to...you're responding to the question/link below the quote in my signature! That's a link to a longstanding thread, and it's long been part of my signature. :)

Anyway, back to this thread...
 
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jmdrake said:
A) Those weren't his slaves. They were his wife's slaves.
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You didn't actually say that, did you?

If people who talk about Robert E. Lee not having slaves ignore the fact that he managed his father in laws slave then folks who want to talk about Grant can't bring up relatives slaves either.

B) The southern declarations of secession make it very clear that slavery was one of the key issues they were seceding over, even though it wasn't the only issue.

C) Ron Paul himself said that the "mistake of slavery" helped lead to the civil war.

And yes I know most southerners didn't own slaves and most northerners didn't own factories. That's probably why both sides, starting with the south, had to rely on a military draft.
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Slavery was an issue amongst a number of people back then. But, it was not the larger reason for the war. The South was tired of being taxed to death and had chosen to secede from the union. Lincoln would have none of that, even though it was well understood by our Founders that states could choose to secede at any time that they chose to.
 
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I wanted to get what was here so far into the moneybomb before they ended it tonight. Right now, the total is 19 including me, and I donated the first 5 yesterday to promote confidence that my deal was as good as gold. ;)

Here are the donation receipts for what you raised for Paul in the MLK avatar explosion. One for $5 and one for $14. :) Thanks for being sports and not trolls. :cool:



Thank you!
Thank you for your generous donation!
Amount: $14.00
Transaction ID:332431307
Transaction date/time: 2012-01-15 22:53:09

Here are your transaction details:
Donation amount: $5.00
Transaction date/time: 2012-01-14 20:18:35
Transaction ID: 332252972
 
I changed my av.

And btw.... 4 years ago I made a video, for Ron Paul's MLK moneybomb. (remember that?) :) It may be controversial to some, but I wanted to pay a tribute to both MLK and Ron Paul, so.... here's the vid if anyone wants to take a look:

 
Cool, thanks lilymc and Jack. :cool: + Reps to you too and the final tally and donation made will go in Tomorrow on MLK day at noon.

Wrapping up the last chance for any of the rest of you to take $29 more dollars of my money and give it to Paul. ;)
 
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