Mitt Romney is going to be invalidated as nominee of the Republican party! GTFIH

[NoOneButPaul]

As much as I want to believe that he's going to be invalidated, I think we know that the RNC won't hold up its own rules.

Agreed. Can't believe anyone here is taking this seriously at all.

1) It's never going to work
2) The more we talk about it the more desperate we seem
3) Even if we worked we'd be disrespected for winning in such a shitty way

 

[romancito]

Where does this opinion come from? If a store does not honor its refund policy, a customer can sue. If a company has a written policy that "shorts are OK to wear" and then sues someone for wearing shorts, a wrongful dismissal suit will follow. If shareholders don't agree with how a company is being run, they can sue (they don't even need a majority of shareholders).

It is more likely that "Public organizations can break their own rules."

The RNC is acting like an autocrat and naming by fiat who the nominee is rather than using the drawn out process they have voluntarily enacted.

Putting it another way, even if the RNC can do what it wants, when a judge orders Romney's name removed from the ballots (or Ron Paul's to be added), it will be the states complying, not a private organization.

The act is extremely reprehensible and anarchistic. He needs to resign immediately. His act enables the MSM to continue to ignore the candidacy and election campaign of dr. paul. Running for president is one of the most honorable things anyone can do and the actions of the RNC and the MSM of ignoring his campaign is despicable and disrespectful of our historic presence in our world. Without his resignation the republican convention will not achieve what it has intended to achieve. Mitt Romney is not fit for the presidency if he does not relinquish the offer and asks for the chairman's resignation. But he won't because he is simply an opportunist and his values range is limited to his best interest.

 

[skyorbit]

You don't think it it's crass for the RNC to break their own rules?

 

[TRIGRHAPPY]

You don't think it it's crass for the RNC to break their own rules?

Well if they followed their rules it wouldn't disqualify him from ALL states it seems. I believe Idaho, Massachusetts, Oklahoma and Vermont's state republican parties have approved of his joint fundraising with the RNC. At least, I would expect so given this statement from the "Romney Victory Fund" donation page:

Contributions to Romney Victory, Inc. (“RV”) are not tax deductible for federal income tax purposes. RV is a joint fundraising committee composed of Romney for President, Inc. (“RFP”), the Republican National Committee (“RNC”), and the official Republican Parties in four states (the Idaho Republican Party, the Massachusetts Republican Party, the Oklahoma Leadership Council, and the Vermont Republican Federal Election Committee) the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and the National Republican Congressional Committee.

However, they are openly putting much of these donations to the PRIMARY AND GENERAL "Romney For President" accounts....which would seemingly disqualify him in the other 46 states. Again, the donation page says so:

Proceeds shall be allocated by the following formula

Individuals and non-multicandidate PACs - The first $2,500 will go to RFP’s primary account. The next $2,500 will go to RFP’s general account. The next $30,800 will go to the RNC. The remaining amount will be split evenly among the federal accounts of the Republican Parties of Idaho, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, and Vermont, up to a maximum of $10,000 per committee.

We really need to make sure EVERY Paul supporting national delegate has this info. They could make quite a stink about this at the convention.

 

[kathy88]

No. The rule states that all 50 states must be on board with it in order for NATIONAL to do what they are doing. Not each state individually. All 50. In writing. Before said events take place. It did not happen. Period.

 

[TRIGRHAPPY]

No. The rule states that all 50 states must be on board with it in order for NATIONAL to do what they are doing. Not each state individually. All 50. In writing. Before said events take place. It did not happen. Period.

Thanks for your reply. It forced me to re-read the RNC rulebook. It seems I did, in fact, misinterpret the rules upon my first reading. However, unfortunately for both of us, so did you.

The Republican National Committee shall
not, without the prior written and filed approval of all
members of the Republican National Committee from
the state involved, contribute money or in-kind aid to
any candidate for any public or party office except the
nominee of the Republican Party or a candidate who is
unopposed in the Republican primary after the filing
deadline for that office.

There's no point in lying to ourselves over this. Not all 50 states have to be on board (not by any stretch of the imagination), only the members of the NATIONAL republican committee from the state involved. Which means, if there are 2 people on the 145 member republican national committee from Texas, then both of them have to approve....no more, no less. Since every state has *at least* 1 member on the RNC, this can be as few as a single person filing their written approval to allow the RNC to help a candidate (even in a primary in which he is opposed).

Now, unless some complete act of stupidity occurred and the written approval by the 1 to 3 people required to enable it was not filed...... Show's over folks, nothing to see here.

I do think it's worth the Paul campaign looking into, however. After all, any state whose RNC members did not file said approval would see any and all Romney delegates (at the very least) unbound.

 

[sailingaway]

Agreed. Can't believe anyone here is taking this seriously at all.

1) It's never going to work
2) The more we talk about it the more desperate we seem
3) Even if we worked we'd be disrespected for winning in such a shitty way

I could follow you right up to the last part. Uh, no. If they broke their rules to squeeze Ron out of the contest, that is a big deal.

Whether it would work..... I have my doubts.

 

[sailingaway]

Thanks for your reply. It forced me to re-read the RNC rulebook. It seems I did, in fact, misinterpret the rules upon my first reading. However, unfortunately for both of us, so did you.



There's no point in lying to ourselves over this. Not all 50 states have to be on board (not by any stretch of the imagination), only the members of the NATIONAL republican committee from the state involved. Which means, if there are 2 people on the 145 member republican national committee from Texas, then both of them have to approve....no more, no less. Since every state has *at least* 1 member on the RNC, this can be as few as a single person filing their written approval to allow the RNC to help a candidate (even in a primary in which he is opposed).

Now, unless some complete act of stupidity occurred and the written approval by the 1 to 3 people required to enable it was not filed...... Show's over folks, nothing to see here.

I believe it was three people in each state and I bet it is the same three they tried to get sign the loyalty oath in AZ when Iowa refused. And I feel certain, admittedly without proof, that they do NOT have the waivers they need because of that. Will we get justice for it? That's a stretch of the imagination.

But I am absolutely for challenging them on it and at least making them squirm.

 

[dntrpltt]

I'm not going to comment on the rule, but simply provide better evidence (forgive me if this has already been posted):

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/04/120407_romney_victory.html

I will say this though: several neo-con, pro-Romney people have came up to me and said that they disagree with this action taken between Romney and the RNC before the Primary was over.

 

[wgadget]

Am I missing something? Even if they had the signatures of the RNC members from a state, they are STILL NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PIMPING FOR ANYONE WHO IS NOT THE NOMINEE. Romney is NOT the nominee.

 

[damiengwa]

I just feel like he's going to get away with it.

Makes me sick.

Don't get sick. Learn to accept the placement of certain brick walls. You can't go thru them, you must go around. I am of the belief they will try to pull something at the convention. RP supports need to have a fall-back plan. A scorched-earth like plan where they do something to disrupt or shutdown the proceedings.

 

[TRIGRHAPPY]

Am I missing something? Even if they had the signatures of the RNC members from a state, they are STILL NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PIMPING FOR ANYONE WHO IS NOT THE NOMINEE. Romney is NOT the nominee.

As long as they have the necessary signatures and paperwork filed.....it's allowed....unfortunately.

 

[ProIndividual]

Rules don't apply to the people that write them

Rules don't apply to sociopaths...which unfortunately many politicians (especially the most powerful ones) are. Romney is a habitual liar, and in my eyes clearly a sociopath...but people can believe what they like I suppose.

 

[ProIndividual]

Don't get sick. Learn to accept the placement of certain brick walls. You can't go thru them, you must go around. I am of the belief they will try to pull something at the convention. RP supports need to have a fall-back plan. A scorched-earth like plan where they do something to disrupt or shutdown the proceedings.

Agree...scorched earth. Burn the Party to the ground (figuratively, not literally!) if they pull some crap at the convention. A dead Republican Party is just as good to us as one were we take over.

 

[Billytalty]

we all obey the rules or no one does!

I would just say, if the rnc doesn't follow the Republican party rule #11 then national delegates in places like nevada and massachusetts shouldn't follow the rules and vote bound. Even if rule #38 isn't allowed, vote for Paul!

 

[sailingaway]

Welcome, Romney folks, join us in the Oklahoma or Arizona threads, if you like!

(this thread was posted on Mitt forums fyi)

 

[agaiziunas]

This should be the first motion at the RNC. Strike Romney from the possibilities. Can't even vote for him Round 1. WIN.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

all i know to do is to get ben swann to cover this.

 

[sailingaway]

As long as they have the necessary signatures and paperwork filed.....it's allowed....unfortunately.

but they won't have, at least from Iowa

 

[jabowery]

That the Republican Party is a "private" organization with its own rules doesn't permit it to defraud the public -- not even if that public is its own members. People have joined the Republican Party and made monetary donations on the reasonable presumption that the RNC would follow its own rules IT HAS ADVERTISED TO THE PUBLIC. The damages are actual and the fraud deliberate. Triple damages are due to all who have contributed to Republican candidates for President and the RNC is liable.