Missouri Police Report: RP supporters, Libertarians, anti-NWO movement are TERRORISTS

[constituent]

Is it possible that this is a well-crafted response to theobamaforum? I understand people have called, they've spoken to Linda, the links make it appear to be valid but could this be a hoax done by savvy Obama supporters? Please don't call me a moron or accuse me of having my head in the sand.

...or some really savvy ron paul supporters.

That's just one more good reason to avoid and to not join "movements".<IMHO>

yeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwbetcha!

 

[Mini-Me]

...or some really savvy ron paul supporters.

I seriously doubt this...besides the fact that it's real (and probably has something to do with the SPLC), there are just wayyyy too many dangerous half-truths in there for RP supporters to have had anything to do with it. As I mentioned in another post, there are enough dangerous half-truths that we might even lose the battle for public opinion...

 

[LittleLightShining]

I seriously doubt this...besides the fact that it's real (and probably has something to do with the SPLC), there are just wayyyy too many dangerous half-truths in there for RP supporters to have had anything to do with it. As I mentioned in another post, there are enough dangerous half-truths that we might even lose the battle for public opinion...

I am completely convinced that this is real. I didn't want to believe it as evidenced by the post constituent quoted above but there's no doubt in my mind anymore. Check Catherine Bleish's thread for updated info.

 

[Conza88]

Actually, I think you are confusing leftist-anarchists with as Murray Rothbard coined the term, "anarcho-capitalists". They are very different.

Doesn't most of the anarcho-capitalists here advocate armed revolution against the state? If not, I withdraw my statement.

What part of the NON-AGGRESSION AXIOM and PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, do you not understand?

 

[Mini-Me]

I am completely convinced that this is real. I didn't want to believe it as evidenced by the post constituent quoted above but there's no doubt in my mind anymore. Check Catherine Bleish's thread for updated info.

Agreed. There's no way it was written by anyone sympathetic to our cause or anyone who wants to "speed up the boiling pot" to draw public attention (i.e. the frog's attention) to the growing police state, either...if that was the case, the contents of the memo would be much easier to refute entirely. In reality, the memo was cleverly crafted with malicious intent in such a way that it will be difficult for any of us to clear the air.

 

[JoshLowry]

I'm going to say it one more time and then I'm done with trying to convince you. If you prefer to keep your head in the sand that's your prerogative.

I called the number on the flyer. Erin answered the phone. She referred me to Capt. Tim Hull in the Public Information Department. She did not want to give me her name. Eventually she gave me her first name only.

When I called the number a receptionist answered. I asked for Capt. Hull. He answered. The call was monitored as was evidenced by a periodic long beep. I asked him about the memo. He knew exactly what I was talking about. He referred to specific portions as did I. He told me that the information was compiled from other sources and distributed by his MIAC as an educational resource for LEO. We discussed the implications of profiling which he repeatedly denied even though there is no other reason to put this information out. He told me that there have been incidents in the past where violent militia groups or members thereof have have run-ins with the MO police and in one case an officer was killed.

Like I said, if you don't want to believe it don't but do not continue to try to discredit me because you haven't taken the time to read all the posts here. Go Google Tim Hull. He is legit. RPF is the source of the validation because that's the truth. There is a team in MO right now further investigating the issue. I'm really, really tired of your insinuations. Really tired.

Quoted so that someone who missed it the first five times will see it again.

 

[pcosmar]

It's no secret that a lot of the people in the Ron Paul movement, and in the Libertarian Party, are anarchists who advocate armed revolution. So, it seems entirely reasonable to me that police officers are warned about them in an internal memo.

Woah there.
I challenge you to prove that. Anyone that has advocated violence has been banned , Quickly.
I am neither an anarchist nor do I advocate violence. I am not a pacifist but I hate violence.
I have expressed concerns that the Government will initiate violence, They have in the past and prepare to presently. I am a realist.
Everyone on this board has been working on Peaceful means of restoring a Constitutional Government.
I challenge you to prove otherwise.
The only thing you will find is Self Defense.
This is not and never has been a violent revolution.

 

[torchbearer]

The previous link didn't work for me, i googled it and fixed it: http://www.libertyrestorationproject.org/

for updates.

 

[torchbearer]

The Facts: Why we believe MO Liberty lovers are being targeted and why we need your help.
I have reason to believe homeland security is targeting liberty lovers in the state of Missouri - please read below for more information. If I am wrong, someone is playing a very dirty trick on us.

March 12, 2009

* -1.This all started for me today here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=183388
* 0. (Missouri Information Analysis Center) MIAC is a legitimate organization, to start. http://www.miacx.org/(X(1)S(snfe1o45t0qhvpuje4uvj455))/default.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
* 1. Called the number on the flier for Missouri Information Analysis Center Phone number 573-751-5422 and was directed to their PR department.
* 2. They transfered me to 573-526-6115, which was busy. I called back
* 3 times before I got through to the secretary who took all of my information and said someone would call back. I told her if I heard nothing I would be required to pass this information along to the folks in Missouri who might be affected and to the media. She said she understood my concern. 3.I called back about 4 times and was met with a busy signal.
* 4. Approximately 4pm Press Releases sent out and copied to the emails listed on the flier. The emails did not bounce back, indicating they are legitimate emails. [email protected], [email protected]
* 5. About 3.5 hours after the first phone call I got a phone call from an officer Hotz of the state highway patrol who called me from 573-522-0000. He confirmed that they stand by everything in the memo, just not all the rumors on the internet. I had him repeat that he confirmed it about 5 times. He told me it was not sweeping everyone under that title, just noting TRENDS in militia members. He told me that the militia is a threat because officers have been killed by militia members.
* 6. Held a conference call and decided to A. try to get a state legislature to help us in some way. B. contact the governor and have him respond to the fact he met with homeland security with homeland security 2 days ago, at the very “fusion center” this document was leaked from (see number 8 below). C. Attack this economically/financially by encouraging everyone attending the C4L conference to move their business to the IL side of the state line and contact the StL chamber of commerce, MO chamber of commerce, the hotel and the press declaring how they will not give their tourism dollars to such a state but STILL ATTEND THE CONFERENCE WITH THEIR PAUL/BALDWIN/BARR BUMPER STICKERS PROUDLY.
* 7. Someone was trying to disrupt the conference call the entire time - proof someone is trying to stop us from talking about this. They played what sounded like pornography in the background, pushed buttons repeatedly, made static noises, and I just kept telling them I loved them and that I was trying to keep their children from becoming slaves and that this petty disruption would not detract us. My 7pm central radio show and my 8pm conference call are recorded on skype, so you can hear the detractors. http://www.restoretherepublicradio.com/Libery_Restoration_Hour_Liberty_Restoration_Hour__Show_Six for the show.
* 8. The very agency, Missouri Information Analysis Center, a fusion center, was visited by Homeland Security and Governor Nixon on Wednesday March 11th. http://newstribune.com/articles/2009/03/12/news_state/294state05fusion.txt
* 9. I called the KCPD to see if they could verify the memo 816-234-5510; they laughed at me and told me to call the FBI.
* 10. I called the FBI and she told me to go to my state legislature and hung up on me (after I asked many many questions) (816) 512-8200
* 11.I have returned calls to all 3 of the Jefferson City numbers I have listed above and was only able to leave message on the first, 573-751-5422, voicemail for Mike.
* 12. Huge conference held in KC talks about fusion centers and how local law enforcement is SPYING ON LOCAL CITIZENS: http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/03/copfest_2009_national_fusion_c.php
* 13. KC fusion center convention: http://www.iir.com/registration/fusioncenter/agenda/agendaFC.pdf

EDIT:
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION 1: CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY IS HAVING A REGIONAL CONFERENCE IN STL AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. MOSTLY RON PAUL, BOB BARR AND CHUCK BALDWIN SUPPORTERS WILL BE THERE.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION 2: THE KC END THE FED RALLY HAS 3 CONFIRMED NATIONAL SPEAKERS WHO ALL FIT UNDER CATEGORIES LISTED IN THIS SECTION.
MARCY BROOKS: FAMOUS JUROR MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENTARY AMERICA FREEDOM TO FASCISM. AFTF IS MENTIONED IN THESE DOCUMENTS AS A MOVIE TO WATCH OUT FOR.
REP. JIM GUEST IS FIGHTING REAL ID - NATIONAL DRIVERS LICENCES WITH RFID TRACKING CHILPS. RFID OPPONENETS ARE LISTED AS POTENTIAL THREATS IN THE DOCUMENT.
DARRELL CASTLE RAN FOR VP OF THE CONSTITUTION PARTY AND IS IDENTIFIED ON THIS LIST AS A POTENTIAL THREAT THROUGH HIS PARTY AFFILIATION.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION 3: ALL THREE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENT ARE ANTI-FEDERAL RESERVE.
That is all the information I have at this time, but I have no reason to beleive this is a hoax. If you want to help with any of the strategy mentioned above in number 6, please email [email protected].
I’m putting together teams for each goal right now and looking for other action items to take on.
peace, love and liberty, Catherine
Catherine Bleish
executive director
Liberty Restoration Project
816-868-8806
[email protected]
www.libertyrestorationproject.org
Freedom reaches across party lines.

 

[ihsv]

It's no secret that a lot of the people in the Ron Paul movement, and in the Libertarian Party, are anarchists who advocate armed revolution. So, it seems entirely reasonable to me that police officers are warned about them in an internal memo.

Even if that were the case, it is entirely UNREASONABLE for the police to profile and target individuals or groups based upon their political persuasion and/or their exercise of their first amendment rights.

Even if this memo were targeting communists, I would be equally as concerned. The police have no business whatsoever engaging in this kind of political profiling.

 

[JVParkour]

good work.

 

[acptulsa]

Even if that were the case, it is entirely UNREASONABLE for the police to profile and target individuals or groups based upon their political persuasion and/or their exercise of their first amendment rights.

Even if this memo were targeting communists, I would be equally as concerned. The police have no business whatsoever engaging in this kind of political profiling.

I don't believe unreasonable is statement enough. I think UNCONSTITUTIONAL sums it up better.

But I also like unfathomable, indefensible, un-American, incomprehensible, totalitarian, undemocratic, and/or infamous.

 

[Roxi]

If I were going I'd cancel my hotel in favor of one in Illinois. Now, the Illinois side of the river is not considered the best part of town, and Illinois most certainly does not have lower gas taxes than Missouri. Nonetheless, that is where I would stay and where I would buy all the food and gas I used.

have you been up there lately? i promise you do not want to stay in NSTL or sauget, or anywhere near that side of the river... the only hotels in this area get most of their business from the "rent by the hour" crowd if you know what I mean

 

[tremendoustie]

Doesn't most of the anarcho-capitalists here advocate armed revolution against the state? If not, I withdraw my statement.

No, certainly not. Most advocate political activity and possibly civil disobedience.

 

[acptulsa]

have you been up there lately? i promise you do not want to stay in NSTL or sauget, or anywhere near that side of the river... the only hotels in this area get most of their business from the "rent by the hour" crowd if you know what I mean

You're right. I did post a warning along those lines, though I didn't state the case strongly enough. Thanks for doing that.

Yeah, the last time I was in East St. Louis all the street signs had been stolen and more than a few of the manhole covers were gone too. The only thing I can promise anyone is that a hotel on that side of the river will be slightly better than an eighteenth century barn in a Valley Forge winter...

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

It's no secret that a lot of the people in the Ron Paul movement, and in the Libertarian Party, are anarchists who advocate armed revolution. So, it seems entirely reasonable to me that police officers are warned about them in an internal memo.

Doesn't most of the anarcho-capitalists here advocate armed revolution against the state? If not, I withdraw my statement.

Incredible that people can be this confused over the philosophy of "most of" the individuals who supported the 3 candidates in question. I look forward to your retraction, and think you would benefit from some reading lists we have around here...

...
Thank you again. Scammers who set up real web sites that pop up on real search engines claiming to be real state agencies and bearing real official seals which list real phone numbers allegedly to real state agencies tend to get into real trouble real soon.

lol

Another thing I think we need to look at is the growing power of NGO's, like the SPLC, the SPCA, etc... It seems like a jack-boot mentality incubates in these groups...

Calm and rational; wisdom wins the day

 

[Doktor_Jeep]

Actually, I think you are confusing leftist-anarchists with as Murray Rothbard coined the term, "anarcho-capitalists". They are very different.

I am a Jeffersonian Radical.


Seeing that JRs got no mentioned in the pamphlet, I can safely sit back knowing I am on the Do Not Raid list and watch everyone else get hauled off with glee.


That is, after all, what this is all about. I can hear it now:
"Oh THOSE people over there who believe the same things I do, they are the terrorists. I am not. All I want it peace peace peace and will do eat-meat-retreat for my entire life while the plutocrats enjoy the sound of my chains rattling."

 

[Sandra]

I''ll await confirmation via announcement from CFL. I don't know anyone on this forum well enough to trust their word especially in the light that we've been duped in the past. It would be foolish to trust anyone you just know online, not to mention that one of those numbers returns results only related to the memo.

 

[Doktor_Jeep]

By the way, to those of you younguns out there, THIS is nothing new. You saw the scans of the pamphlets I posted from 9 years ago, right?

Well this is old hat for me, and for the rest of you old farts and geezers.

Shortly after 0911, the same crowd that plagued us during the 90s, trying to label us all terrorists, were tugging on the federal coattails and pointing at anything conservative or "right", trying to use the federal gov as their weapon.

Here is a link for more background on this. The antics of the SPLC and ADL go way back.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Flag-...onstitutionally-minded+citizens...-a081414253

Grigg has it down right with a revamp of the concept and further history.
http://www.rightsourceonline.com/welch/pastnews_c.cfm?rank=3744


However I have the original JBS article from 2001 saved in my evidence folder and can put the text in here if needed when I return to the Jeep cave.


So there is nothing here that I didn't expect. Many of you might be too young to recall how they tried to blame OKC on "right wing radio". This is laughable considering what a disapating shill Rush Limbaugh is.

What is going on here is this: each state wants DHS funding. To do that, they must pander to the feds. The feds are run by the same people who would consider a Christian with a gun a terrorist but never noticed how ELF and other eco nazis would openly pass around instructions on how to burn down dealerships and labs.

When I say "nothing new" I mean it. Since BOTH SIDES of the political spectrum are all about using the power of the state as their weapon against people they don't like, the table is turning. This is why I spent 8 years losing friends as I tried to warn them that the powers they gleefully gave Bush will be used against them later. I got accused of being a leftist, unpatriotic, etc. I never had friends in the other camp.

So in 2000, the "right" took the One Ring and put it on, thinking they could do good, but through them, as a metaphor for the power of the state, it did evil and lots of it. Now the "left" has the One Ring, and rather than destroy it, they put it on, and the process continues. No matter who the target is, or the reason, the results are the same: more evil (in reality it's more government which can be the same thing).

Paulians, Reganites (the few that are left), the true libertarians - all having a value for the original concept of liberty - are the most dangerous. They have the ability to take that ring to Mt Doom and destroy it. To us, to me, this election was like watching "Alien vs. Predator".

I have to give the democrats some credit however. You know at least what you get with that crowd. It was Bush who tripled the size of the ATF and installed most of the police state apparatus we have today. The concept started way back, of course. But that's the difference. Obama is anti-liberty as much as Bush was, Clinton was, Bush 1, etc.

At least now I don't have to lose friends when I try to warn people.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Or, Sandra, you could check into it yourself, as so many of us have already done.