Missouri Police Report: RP supporters, Libertarians, anti-NWO movement are TERRORISTS

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

It's no secret that a lot of the people in the Ron Paul movement, and in the Libertarian Party, are anarchists who advocate armed revolution. So, it seems entirely reasonable to me that police officers are warned about them in an internal memo.

I hear that a lot of drivers have vehicles with headlights that if turned on and off fast enough could vaguely resemble police lights. I suppose we better tell the police to monitor those people as well!

 

[Gaius1981]

I hear that a lot of drivers have vehicles with headlights that if turned on and off fast enough could vaguely resemble police lights. I suppose we better tell the police to monitor those people as well!

Yes, that's a very good analogy.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Yes, that's a very good analogy.

No more ridiculous than suggesting that the government has a right to monitor people for their political affiliation because some of them would describe themselves as anarchists, which the last time I checked was something they were free to be if they liked!

 

[LibertyEagle]

It's no secret that a lot of the people in the Ron Paul movement, and in the Libertarian Party, are anarchists who advocate armed revolution. So, it seems entirely reasonable to me that police officers are warned about them in an internal memo.

Actually, I think you are confusing leftist-anarchists with as Murray Rothbard coined the term, "anarcho-capitalists". They are very different.

 

[paulitics]

Go over to Hannity forums. There are far more posts over there about armed revolution than I've ever seen over here. Glenn Beck talks about it regularly, and now other media pundits. The guy we follow advocates peace, the guys they follow advocate war.

I don't think any of the violent anarchists you see at protests would be followers of RP, most of them are on the left or paid provocatears. I'm not sure what group of anarchists advocate armed revolution, but it isn't something RP or this movement stands for or represents.

 

[Gaius1981]

Doesn't most of the anarcho-capitalists here advocate armed revolution against the state? If not, I withdraw my statement.

 

[speciallyblend]

Go over to Hannity forums. There are far more posts over there about armed revolution than I've ever seen over here. Glenn Beck talks about it regularly, and now other media pundits. The guy we follow advocates peace, the guys they follow advocate war.

I don't think any of the violent anarchists you see at protests would be followers of RP, most of them are on the left or paid provocatears. I'm not sure what group of anarchists advocate armed revolution, but it isn't something RP or this movement stands for or represents.

exactly

 

[LittleLightShining]

Yes I did. Did anyone fax this document to them and say "is this the EXACT document you created?"

They very well may have created a document regarding militias, etc and someone who is trying to play with you guys had some fun with Photoshop.

Huh? This is the only thread in which I have discussed this to my knowledge.

They may have asked "did you create a document concerning militias?" And they may have answered "yes"...I asked if anyone faxes this EXACT document to them??

Then call the given number; you'll get confirmation.

I think that earlier in this thread someone said that the officer was able to quote from the document.

Yes, Captain Hull knew exactly what I was asking about when I called. He referenced parts of the document himself.

Mr. Middleton,

My name is John Martin and I am a precinct committeeman in Hillsborough County, FL for the Republican Party of Florida. There are many citizens in my precinct who have become aware of the possibility of political profiling occurring on a state and national level based on an apparently legitimate LE memo being circulated on the internet titled MIAC Strategic Report 02/20/09 The Modern Militia Movement. I have enclosed a PDF file of the scanned images. On page 7 of the memo, the following text appears.

Political Paraphernalia: Militia members most commonly associate with 3rd party political groups. It is not uncommon for militia members to dispaly Constitutional Party, Campaign for Liberty, or Libertarian material. These members are usually supporters of former Presidential Candidate: Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr.​

Mr. Middleton, Ron Paul is a sitting Republican Congressman of whom many Republicans in my precinct voted for last November. The Campaign for Liberty is in fact a political lobbying organization that is educating citizens of ALL political persuasions about the Constitutional role of government.

I understand that we live in escalated times of threat where Law Enforcement faces a much higher risk of being targeted by extremist and radical elements of our society and around the world. I fully support the principles outlined in this memo in regards to educating Law Enforcement Officers and keeping our brave men and women safe with the most updated knowledge and information. I believe that everyone who has supported Ron Paul and his Campaign for Liberty will agree that our movement is peaceful and that no one in our organizations are interested in a violent confrontation with our police forces.

Several phone calls have been made to your offices from around the country as it is believed that this memo or similar memo's are spreading all over the country. My concern I hope is an obvious one and twofold.

First, we do not accept violence as a solution and anyone claiming to be a member of one of our political activist groups who is found to be planning violence will be reported to the authorities immediately. Likewise, I would like to know what evidence there is to suggest members of anti-government organized militias are associated with peaceful political activism.

Secondly, political activism is an American tradition. During such critical times as these, it is important that the voice of the people be heard, regardless of political ideals. Political activist should work closely with law enforcement to ensure that violent domestic terrorist do not have a platform from which to launch these "Complex attacks" that the memo talks about. At the same time, we should take great care to protect those innocent activist from being needlessly singled out or from having their rights of free speech infringed upon.

My question sir:

Is the memo, specifically page 7 and the quote I mentioned above a legitimate enough concern to single out an entire group of people? If so, what evidence would you be willing to supply that would confirm that Ron Paul supporters and the Campaign for Liberty pose an elevated security threat to our police force? Finally, have the men and organizations named in the memo been notified that their groups are under closer scrutiny?

Thank you for your time sir and I do look forward to your response.

Respectfully Yours,

John Martin - Concerned Citizen in FL.

LOVE this. Please follow up with the reply.

Upon reading the first thread posted about this (it was either this morning or last night) I initially called BS because of the source (Alex Jones) - could someone summarize the past 18 pages for me (and anyone else that hasn't been able to follow the developments of this). So...this is confirmed as being legit now?

It is definitely legit. If you can't trust me and acptulsa who can you trust? At any rate, yes it's legit.

How this was supposedly confirmed is questionable. We really don't know where it even came from.

Whatever, Sandra. Call them yourself. Put up or shut up.

As I said in another thread about this topic. This is a dark day for our country but there could be a bright silver lining to this for us. I have not seen any topic get this type of response around here in a long, long time. This could be just the thing to get the revolution back on the same page and fighting like hell once again. It is starting to look more and more like this is the real deal so let's get ready to fight people. Put our petty differences aside, leave the negativity at the door and prepare for war. These treasonous bastards are out to not only destroy our country but they are out to destroy us.

The campaign taught us that we are a VERY powerful force when we are united and fighting for the same cause. So if this is what it takes to bring us back together than I rejoice that it has happened. The war is back on folks, now let's fight like hell!

THIS type of talk is not helpful. I understand the spirit of what you say but the letter is damning.

 

[paulitics]

Doesn't most of the anarcho-capitalists here advocate armed revolution against the state? If not, I withdraw my statement.

Maybe an anarcho-capitalist can answer bettter, but I have not read any post on this board suggesting this. Most of the anarchists advocating violence seem to come from the far left who really want socialism. The vast majority want to return to the constitution, not replace the government with anything other than what worked in the past. Never once has Ron Paul advocated anything other than peaceful resistance. And Bob Barr? How ridiculous.

 

[Roxi]

I don't think we have any militias in Louisiana.
We play 'airsoft' games... would that be considered 'militia training'?

YES and if your playing online games you may be under "personality profile surveillance"

watch the second clip of Episode 4 (scroll down a bit) on http://www.alternative.nayjevin.com for a great story on what good ole d.h..s is up to

 

[Sandra]

Yes, Captain Hull knew exactly what I was asking about when I called. He referenced parts of the document himself.

LOVE this. Please follow up with the reply.

It is definitely legit. If you can't trust me and acptulsa who can you trust? At any rate, yes it's legit.

Whatever, Sandra. Call them yourself. Put up or shut up.

THIS type of talk is not helpful. I understand the spirit of what you say but the letter is damning.

Instead of jumping onto this thing with a home grown conclusion, why don't we give it A FEW HOURS MORE to be investigated by those IN MISSOURI. They are physically there and will make eye contact with those reportedly responsible. Knee jerk reactions on this thread are highly irresponsible until you get real FACTS! I'm so tired of all the people on here that get riled up over anything and it's the SAME DAMNED PEOPLE in EVERY THREAD!!!!!

Also, Google this memo. Almost every blog that C&P'd the memo references RPF as the source of validation! Now, what if atctulsa's account is wrong or even inaccurate? Investigation is a serious process! So far all we know is thet Hull "heard of the memo" but from where? Did he support or help craft it? No answer so far. INVESTIGATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Sandra,

Again, I confirmed this with C4L and Lew Rockwell.

 

[acptulsa]

How this was supposedly confirmed is questionable.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Is it questionable because LLS and I are the ones who bothered to call and, yes, ask the question, or is it questionable merely because you didn't bother? And when have I lied to you before?

Your confirmation is a phone number. Even scammers will have a real phone number to validate the scam. They will also have real people to answer the phone to further validate the scam.

Thank you again. Scammers who set up real web sites that pop up on real search engines claiming to be real state agencies and bearing real official seals which list real phone numbers allegedly to real state agencies tend to get into real trouble real soon.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Instead of jumping onto this thing with a home grown conclusion, why don't we give it A FEW HOURS MORE to be investigated by those IN MISSOURI. They are physically there and will make eye contact with those reportedly responsible. Knee jerk reactions on this thread are highly irresponsible until you get real FACTS! I'm so tired of all the people on here that get riled up over anything and it's the SAME DAMNED PEOPLE in EVERY THREAD!!!!!

I would usually agree with this 1,000% BUT it is very hard to not get riled up when there have been some fairly strong confirmations from some reliable sources and when a police force is being instructed to view us as terrorists!

 

[sluggo]

I wonder how many violent crimes and robberies occurred in Missouri in the time it took this group to put their "intelligence" report together?

 

[acptulsa]

I wonder how many violent crimes and robberies occurred in Missouri in the time it took this group to put their "intelligence" report together?

Probably not many. I could have put that amateurish pack of misconstruement and misconceptions together in about half an hour.

 

[sluggo]

Probably not many. I could have put that amateurish pack of misconstruement and misconceptions together in about half an hour.

If government workers were involved, I would say it took at least a week.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

If government workers were involved, I would say it took at least a week.

Stimulus money probably paid for it

 

[LittleLightShining]

Instead of jumping onto this thing with a home grown conclusion, why don't we give it A FEW HOURS MORE to be investigated by those IN MISSOURI. They are physically there and will make eye contact with those reportedly responsible. Knee jerk reactions on this thread are highly irresponsible until you get real FACTS! I'm so tired of all the people on here that get riled up over anything and it's the SAME DAMNED PEOPLE in EVERY THREAD!!!!!

Also, Google this memo. Almost every blog that C&P'd the memo references RPF as the source of validation! Now, what if atctulsa's account is wrong or even inaccurate? Investigation is a serious process! So far all we know is thet Hull "heard of the memo" but from where? Did he support or help craft it? No answer so far. INVESTIGATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to say it one more time and then I'm done with trying to convince you. If you prefer to keep your head in the sand that's your prerogative.

I called the number on the flyer. Erin answered the phone. She referred me to Capt. Tim Hull in the Public Information Department. She did not want to give me her name. Eventually she gave me her first name only.

When I called the number a receptionist answered. I asked for Capt. Hull. He answered. The call was monitored as was evidenced by a periodic long beep. I asked him about the memo. He knew exactly what I was talking about. He referred to specific portions as did I. He told me that the information was compiled from other sources and distributed by his MIAC as an educational resource for LEO. We discussed the implications of profiling which he repeatedly denied even though there is no other reason to put this information out. He told me that there have been incidents in the past where violent militia groups or members thereof have have run-ins with the MO police and in one case an officer was killed.

Like I said, if you don't want to believe it don't but do not continue to try to discredit me because you haven't taken the time to read all the posts here. Go Google Tim Hull. He is legit. RPF is the source of the validation because that's the truth. There is a team in MO right now further investigating the issue. I'm really, really tired of your insinuations. Really tired.

 

[paulitics]

Stimulus money probably paid for it

yep, and it sounds like may have been some private party profiting off it too.