"Mission Diversity" and the decline of NASA - A Federal Space Oydessy

[Weyland]

Unfortunately you seem to be saying that non- whites cannot do the job as well as whites can either- that they only got their jobs because of their race. That having minorities arround is a negative and disruptive force. Appoligies if I am misunderstanding you.

Quit talking about what people seem to be saying and look at what they are saying. Your reading stuff into my post simply proves my point. Minorities are always ready and willing to be offended no matter what. This DOES create a disruptive work environment.

And that's what affirmative action is all about, just so we are clear about it, giving people jobs, college opportunities, etc. because of their race. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the leftist anti-white government. It amazes me the logic some people use to twist things around and become offended when some policy benefits them. What are we supposed to do? Apologize because you got a job and we didn't? Every white person should be offended by that attitude. I once took a postal carrier test and scored in the high 90s, but was told straight up I wouldn't be considered because veterans (a policy which I can respect) and minorities (one which I DON'T) came first in line. Not long ago, I called the post office and spoke to someone with a Spanish accent who insisted that my address did not exist. He was adamant about this. So am I supposed to be all PC and think he was more qualified than I would have been? I suppose what you would prefer is that white people would all hurry up and die off so your people can take over. After all, we can only manage to get jobs at Burger King and, being responsible, don't have more children than we can afford. Apologies if I am misunderstanding you.

 

[Zippyjuan]

It seems you are making a erroneous assumption about me based on the name I use here. "My people" are caucasion (most of my ancestors come from Germany) but you could not know that unless I told you or you knew me or saw a picture of me. This is as wrong as assuming that somebody got their job based on their race. This cannot be known unless you were part of the selection process or the person told you. We can all be guilty of assuming things. I accept your appology.

 

[Weyland]

Very clever of you to post on the Ron Paul forums with an Hispanic name, supporting affirmative action, then... very clever indeed.

 

[MelissaWV]

Very clever of you to post on the Ron Paul forums with an Hispanic name, supporting affirmative action, then... very clever indeed.

I'm against it, and I *am* Hispanic. What now?

I do think its rather odd this new NASA chief that Obama handpicked was based soley on his experience alone. Out of all the astronauts it was the black guy that was most qualified?

Zippy: This is the sort of thinking that Affirmative Action fosters, eventually, though it's just an extension of what is already there. Someone can't really come to this conclusion without a seed of prejudice/ignorance, but this just focuses it in, and gives someone very shaky ground from which to refute it.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I do think its rather odd this new NASA chief that Obama handpicked was based soley on his experience alone. Out of all the astronauts it was the black guy that was most qualified?

Is it possible perhaps that this is a smart and qualified individual? Why would you question him when you know nothing about him?

Oh no a black head of Nasa... whatever shall we do

 

[Weyland]

I'm against it, and I *am* Hispanic. What now?

That's admirable. Not many people who are given a privilege would refuse it as a matter of principle...

Zippy: This is the sort of thinking that Affirmative Action fosters, eventually, though it's just an extension of what is already there. Someone can't really come to this conclusion without a seed of prejudice/ignorance, but this just focuses it in, and gives someone very shaky ground from which to refute it.

... but I see you are still prone to categorize those who are angry about being discriminated against as "prejudiced" and "ignorant," just because they happen to be white, and it's a matter of course in this twisted society to treat white people as such, to make them shut up and accept being discriminated against. The reaction is almost automatic, and is as prejudiced as anything you are accusing that poster of. But that's ok... it's only human nature to be "prejudiced," or, to use a less prejudicial term, to infer logically.

Rather than a negative, the ability to infer logically is a positive intellectual trait which has led to almost every feat of inventiveness humankind has produced. It helps us generate a set of probable conclusions based upon what we have learned in life (or, in corrupted form, what we have been taught by those with an agenda.) Since we are on the topic of space, let's talk about rocket science as an example. Was the first rocket scientist "prejudiced" and "ignorant" because he inferred that a rocket should be streamlined in shape? Why did he not consider a cube for his rocket? Was he absolutely sure this wouldn't work? Was he prejudiced against the cube? Perhaps the government should have stepped in and forced him to give equal opportunity to all shapes before choosing the one most suited to the job. This is the illogical PC school of thought that's been pounded into our heads, twisting reality to try to make it conform to dogma, and it's ridiculous and counterproductive.

But this isn't rocket science, it's just common sense. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. That doesn't mean that some liberal won't call it a hamster, but that's their problem, unless of course they have been elected to office.

 

[MelissaWV]

That's admirable. Not many people who are given a privilege would refuse it as a matter of principle...



... but I see you are still prone to categorize those who are angry about being discriminated against as "prejudiced" and "ignorant," just because they happen to be white, and it's a matter of course in this twisted society to treat white people as such, to make them shut up and accept being discriminated against. The reaction is almost automatic, and is as prejudiced as anything you are accusing that poster of. But that's ok... it's only human nature to be "prejudiced," or, to use a less prejudicial term, to infer logically.

Rather than a negative, the ability to infer logically is a positive intellectual trait which has led to almost every feat of inventiveness humankind has produced. It helps us generate a set of probable conclusions based upon what we have learned in life (or, in corrupted form, what we have been taught by those with an agenda.) Since we are on the topic of space, let's talk about rocket science as an example. Was the first rocket scientist "prejudiced" and "ignorant" because he inferred that a rocket should be streamlined in shape? Why did he not consider a cube for his rocket? Was he absolutely sure this wouldn't work? Was he prejudiced against the cube? Perhaps the government should have stepped in and forced him to give equal opportunity to all shapes before choosing the one most suited to the job. This is the illogical PC school of thought that's been pounded into our heads, twisting reality to try to make it conform to dogma, and it's ridiculous and counterproductive.

But this isn't rocket science, it's just common sense. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. That doesn't mean that some liberal won't call it a hamster, but that's their problem, unless of course they have been elected to office.

Let me see if I can use your own analogy to point out what I mean.

Racism is where you see something that walks like a duck and looks like a duck, hear something that quacks like a duck, and then infer that it likes the color blue. I will note that your post is the one that imposed a racial monopoly on ignorance/prejudice. Do you really think that only people with lighter skin display those traits? Of course not, but you do think that I believe that. I'm not sure where you'd get it from.

There is a certain amount of prejudice that has to already exist for someone to think someone ISN'T qualified, and ONLY got in because of their race. Anything that taints the application process is "wrong," but more specifically when the Government shoves its nose into a company's business to dictate who can and cannot be hired and fired, purely based on self-proclaimed race. One can be entirely sure that Affirmative Action is wrong and not stoop to the thinking I described earlier. There are those who will always think that every woman or dark-skinned person they see ONLY got their job because of entitlements. You're going to argue there is no ignorance in that? Isn't that a bit like saying that, before AA, the only reason "whites" held the majority of the positions was purely race-based? Is there some reason to suspect that NONE of those "whites" were qualified, and that there was a fleet of darker-skinned counterparts who were better-equipped to do the job? The NAACP might argue that one; it's still stupid.

The failure in AA, or any race-based evaluation of job performance, is that whether or not a duck likes the color blue has nothing to do with that duck's ability to swim. If you want to make an argument that it does, institute a swimming exam before allowing the duck in with the other elite ducks. However, discounting the duck just on the basis of what you see and hear is going to be a disservice to everyone involved. I'd hope the market would agree with me, but the Government should never be allowed to have a say in it.

I will continue to believe that people who want to evaluate one quality based on another quality which has nothing to do with the first... are ignorant. The great thing is that they have a right to be ignorant

I got my job after a pretty exhaustive series of tests, combined with my background in a related field. Strangely, if one would have discounted people purely based on stereotypes, I probably wouldn't have gotten the job. I know that the other Hispanic proofreader here is awful at her job, because her English is ridiculous. My English is leaps and bounds better than my last name would likely suggest to you

 

[revolutionisnow]

What if the reason is that most of the technology and brilliant ideas that started our space program were actually stolen from the Germans/Nazis?

http://history.msfc.nasa.gov/vonbraun/bio.html

Nazi UFO Conspiracy

Secrets of the 3rd reich

 

[pacelli]

When I see "decline of NASA" and "mission diversity", I immediately think about there is absolutely NO mission diversity AT ALL at NASA. All of their missions spend millions of dollars to investigate a rock, or repair a heap of shit orbiting our planet so that we can see more objects farther out in space, just to confirm that, yep, it still looks the same.

If NASA was actually interested in mission diversity, they'd be interested in making some real progress. NASA is probably designed to look like a bunch of bumbling idiots, so that the public doesn't start to ask questions about the REAL space program.

 

[Weyland]

I got my job after a pretty exhaustive series of tests, combined with my background in a related field. Strangely, if one would have discounted people purely based on stereotypes, I probably wouldn't have gotten the job. I know that the other Hispanic proofreader here is awful at her job, because her English is ridiculous. My English is leaps and bounds better than my last name would likely suggest to you

Well, it's obvious you are intelligent and well-spoken. My best friend in high school was a Mexican who was one of the smartest students in the school. It took a toll though, when he received a scholarship earmarked for minorities and I (who despite being white was no richer than he, had better grades and similar SAT scores) had no such thing available to me. I never finished college due to financial concerns.

All of this supposition that goes on is typical of what I was talking about earlier in the thread. Multiculturalism will never work, partly because one group will always be repressed in favor of another group, or that will be the perception. And globalist one-world government is rearing its ugly head as a worse nightmare still.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Dunedain, you haven't proved that any of these black people in NASA are unqualified. You just think they are, because they look different than you do. Go back to your storm front community.

 

[Zippyjuan]

What if the reason is that most of the technology and brilliant ideas that started our space program were actually stolen from the Germans/Nazis?

http://history.msfc.nasa.gov/vonbraun/bio.html

There was little question that the Germans were the global leaders in rocket technology during the second World War. Both the US and the USSR tried to round up as many of their scientists to help develop their own programs. We would have been years behind if we had tried to develop the technology on our own. These immigrants are responsible for the successes of NASA.

 

[Weyland]

These immigrants are responsible for the successes of NASA.

Ahh.. so they were good because they were IMMIGRANTS, right?

If Mother Theresa was an immigrant and did good work, then by that logic, you should also admit Charles Manson if he too wishes to immigrate, because he would be.. an IMMIGRANT, just like Mother Theresa. Leftist "logic" at work.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Charlie was not an immigrant. But if Mother Theresa wanted to come to the US she would have certainly been welcomed. She was invited but did not want to leave her work in Calcutta.

This was presented as a counter example of your idea that

All of this supposition that goes on is typical of what I was talking about earlier in the thread. Multiculturalism will never work, partly because one group will always be repressed in favor of another group, or that will be the perception. And globalist one-world government is rearing its ugly head as a worse nightmare still.

Multiculturalism was very successful in helping the US become the first country to get a man on the moon. Without the Germans' help we would not have gotten there- certainly not first. Multiculturalism is not inherently doomed to failure. More gets accomplished when people learn to understand each other and work together towards a common goal.

 

[revolutionisnow]

Charlie was not an immigrant. But if Mother Theresa wanted to come to the US she would have certainly been welcomed. She was invited but did not want to leave her work in Calcutta.

This was presented as a counter example of your idea that

Multiculturalism was very successful in helping the US become the first country to get a man on the moon. Without the Germans' help we would not have gotten there- certainly not first. Multiculturalism is not inherently doomed to failure. More gets accomplished when people learn to understand each other and work together towards a common goal.

That has absolutely nothing to do with multiculturalism. This isn't exactly diversity pictured here, its 100 Germans funded with American money.

 

[Weyland]

Multiculturalism was very successful in helping the US become the first country to get a man on the moon. Without the Germans' help we would not have gotten there- certainly not first. Multiculturalism is not inherently doomed to failure. More gets accomplished when people learn to understand each other and work together towards a common goal.

For your information, the Germanic people and culture are not alien to what America was in 1945. In fact, more Americans at that time had German ancestry than any other.

Here is what you are trying to say, and appear to be a reasonable person at the same time:

A few dozen highly intelligent people of basically the same ancestry and culture as the population of the United States came here in the 1940s and brought their superior knowledge with them, which contributed to the U.S. Space program. You consider this "multiculturalism." Well even if these people had been totally alien to American culture, they would have been so few that they would not have altered the culture or the demographic here in any way. So (1,) this was not multiculturalism based upon cultural differences and (2,) this was not multiculturalism based upon numbers great enough to alter the demographic in any way.

Correct me if I misunderstand you, but you believe this proves that multiculturalism is a good thing. No wait... liberal "thought" processes at work... you believe this proves that multiculturalism isn't ALWAYS a BAD thing (though 99.99999999% of the time it IS) so because there is a 0.00000001% chance that multiculturalism MIGHT work, based upon this example (which is not multicultural at all) we should not defend the borders, we should not enforce immigration laws, we should import millions of Africans and Asians (whose morality is based upon Islam or Hinduism or Voodoo) into this country and just see what happens.

Multiculturalism is anti-culturalism. Its aim is the destruction of all cultures involved, by any means necessary. Do you believe in critical theory, Zippyjuan? Are you an advocate of the Frankfurt School of cultural marxism? Or perhaps you have simply been taught to think this way without considering the ramifications of your actions. The result of this doctrine is the utter destruction of Western Civilization. That is its aim and ultimate goal.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

NASA's decline has more to do with them being a front man agency for academia that wants to keep their grant research money flowing than actually doing real science. The fact is that NASA includes many of the biggest proponents of The Big Bang Theory (a bullshit, contradictory and unscientific theory if there ever was one) and Anthropogenic Global Warming. Its hilarious, in a sick sort of way, that many of those proclaiming the loudest to be Scientists are no different than the Inquisitors of the Catholic Church who proclaimed to interpret Science as espoused by God during the trials of Copernicus, Galileo et al.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice what can be explained as simple incompetence.

In covering their collective asses, the 'scientists' at NASA continually stick their heads in the sand every time one of their satellites throw them a curveball that blows holes in The Standard (Gravity-only) Model. Quantum Physics is a dead-end that is slowly collapsing under its own weight of contradictory, non-scientific bullshit: Non-Baryonic (Dark) Matter, Dark Energy, The Singularity, Black Holes, The Big Bang, Red Shift/The Expanding Universe and Neutron Stars.

“In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.”

- Terry Prachett

“See first, think later, then test. But always see first. Otherwise you will only see what you were expecting. Most scientists forget that.”

- Douglas Adams

 

[Dieseler]

^
I wish I had a link to that video about the electric universe.

 

[constituent]

Minorities are always ready and willing to be offended no matter what.

(I'd be interested in your take on "securing the borders...")

The reason is because it isn't the post racial age, it is an anti white age.

lol, u again?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Germans were the enemy in WWII. They speak a different language even though most do speak English with an accent (can't say the same about US citizens speaking another language- we expect people to just learn ours since we can't bother to learn theirs). Bringing them into a program would not be simply joining two similar cultures. You saying they had more in common with people at NASA than people born and educated and raised in this country whose only difference is the color of their skin? Bringing the Germans in probably did add tensions. "What are these people doing here looking at our latest technology? Didn't we just fight a war against them? They killed friends/ family of mine! I'm not going to work with them!"

Apparently this is the only issue which concerns Weyland since it is the only thread he posts in- The decline of NASA because they allowed minorities in.

Lets play devil's advocate and say we had only white males at NASA. What could they do to become a better agency? The man on the moon was exciting and got people interested but they don't even turn in anymore when a space shuttle is launched (the entire country and much of the world used to watch). What should they target to become more interesting? The problem is that there are fewer exciting missions for them to perform. Not to mention smaller budgets. As a percent of the national budget, they got a significantly larger share during the Mercury/ Apollo days. That was considered a matter of both national security and national pride.