Mises Caucus Coup D’Etat

[CaptUSA]

Adding this one in...



This is how you handle Gillespie!!

 

[Invisible Man]

Why do libertarians always have to be such tatterdemalions?

 

[acptulsa]

Why do libertarians always have to be such tatterdemalions?

Because substance > style. And because we don't receive enough bribe money to shop Italian.

 

[Invisible Man]

Because substance > style. And because we don't receive enough bribe money to shop Italian.

It's not shopping Italian. You can get decent collared shirts, coats, and ties, all at Good Will.

I think you're right about substance and style. But those things aren't an either/or. When I watch that interview with Heise, before Heise opens his mouth, I already see a guy who doesn't honestly consider what he's doing all that serious.

 

[CaptUSA]

It's not shopping Italian. You can get decent collared shirts, coats, and ties, all at Good Will.

I think you're right about substance and style. But those things aren't an either/or. When I watch that interview with Heise, before Heise opens his mouth, I already see a guy who doesn't honestly consider what he's doing all that serious.

Yeah, doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I appreciate the dropping of pretenses.

 

[Invisible Man]

Yeah, doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I appreciate the dropping of pretenses.

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Appearing to take oneself seriously is only a pretense when one doesn't take oneself seriously.

 

[CaptUSA]

Appearing to take oneself seriously is only a pretense when one doesn't take oneself seriously.

Lol - so I guess you take someone wearing a suit as them taking themselves seriously. I take it as a desire to want other people to take them seriously. In other words, putting on an appearance that is appealing to others - pretense.

 

[Invisible Man]

Lol - so I guess you take someone wearing a suit as them taking themselves seriously. I take it as a desire to want other people to take them seriously. In other words, putting on an appearance that is appealing to others - pretense.

But again, only a pretense for someone who doesn't think others should take them seriously. If you actually think they should take you seriously, then dressing like you believe that is not a pretense.

Edit: On the other hand, if someone dresses like they don't care how they look because the want to look like they're dropping pretenses, then that's just another pretense.

 

[CaptUSA]

But again, only a pretense for someone who doesn't think others should take them seriously. If you actually think they should take you seriously, then dressing like you believe that is not a pretense.

Edit: On the other hand, if someone dresses like they don't care how they look because the want to look like they're dropping pretenses, then that's just another pretense.

I always find it's best to judge people by their actions instead of their appearance. But you be you.

Heise's actions look pretty damned serious to me. He led a successful takeover of the 3rd largest political party in the US. You criticized his appearance on the internet. Pretty sure he wins.

 

[Invisible Man]

I always find it's best to judge people by their actions instead of their appearance. But you be you.

Heise's actions look pretty damned serious to me. He led a successful takeover of the 3rd largest political party in the US. You criticized his appearance on the internet. Pretty sure he wins.

I guess we'll see.

 

[devil21]

But again, only a pretense for someone who doesn't think others should take them seriously. If you actually think they should take you seriously, then dressing like you believe that is not a pretense.

Edit: On the other hand, if someone dresses like they don't care how they look because the want to look like they're dropping pretenses, then that's just another pretense.

I think you and [MENTION=30558]CaptUSA[/MENTION] are both correct.

When you know you look good in that suit (or whatever it is), that confidence exudes outwardly to others who then notice you because you're standing tall and walking proud and looking good, instead of schleping around in sackcloth slouched over looking like a bum. IOW, one's "vibration" is raised and is subsequently picked up by others who want to know your secret and will start to observe you or even interact with you.

 

[CaptUSA]

Funny how different the tone is with Amash...



Still... It's a good interview. I don't necessarily agree with everything Amash says here, but I think it's valuable for all the MC folks to truly listen and understand his take.

 

[ClaytonB]

Adding this one in...



This is how you handle Gillespie!!

Thanks for sharing this. This is the kind of interview I like to watch -- light editing and discussion-based rather than grilling, gotcha-questions and fast, heavy cuts.

 

[ClaytonB]

Funny how different the tone is with Amash...



Still... It's a good interview. I don't necessarily agree with everything Amash says here, but I think it's valuable for all the MC folks to truly listen and understand his take.

Amash in one sentence: "Anything but Rothbard!"

Yes, Justin, Mises was a minarchist. In other words, not libertarian enough. We're aiming for the jugular...

 

[TheTexan]

Funny how different the tone is with Amash...



Still... It's a good interview. I don't necessarily agree with everything Amash says here, but I think it's valuable for all the MC folks to truly listen and understand his take.

8:00 basically sums it up for me.

Amash recognizes, accurately, that the vast majority of people have "very different views" than the (new) LP.

The Mises caucus seems to recognize and accept this fact, and incorporates the truth of that statement into its strategies.

Amash, on the other hand, wants to continue living in the same fantasy land the LP has been in for decades, and "win elections". (despite the fact the majority of people have "very different views")

He is right, however - I do not think there is much to be gained from having the LP being merely an organization for education/activism.

The best course of action is somewhere in the middle:

I think the focus should be on winning elections, as local as possible, on a nullification/secession platform.

Even if it means focusing the entire national Libertarian Party on one single county to win the elections there.... if that county has the balls/nuts/cajones to properly nullify federal law and defend it... it could have meaningful changes for the entire country.

And more importantly, it's an achievable goal. It's within the LP's power to do such a thing.

 

[Matt Collins]

 

[Occam's Banana]

Timcast IRL - w/Angela McArdle (new LP national committee chair)
https://odysee.com/@TimcastIRL:8/timcast-irl-texas-gop-formally-declares:4

 

[Occam's Banana]

Dave Smith: Comedian, Podcaster...Presidential Candidate?

”We stand for repealing the entire Progressive Era,” says Smith.

"You have this white hot culture war, and really the only people who have a solution to the culture war are libertarians," says Dave Smith, a comedian, a podcaster, and one of the most visible faces of the Mises Caucus, which took control of the Libertarian Party at its national convention in Reno this May.

Smith gained a following in the comedy world with his seat on the raunchy Legion of Skanks podcast, which he's parlayed into a career as a political commentator who often appears on cable news and on podcasts like The Joe Rogan Experience and Timcast with Tim Pool. He regularly sounds off on political issues and intra-libertarian disputes on his own show, Part of the Problem.

Reason's Nick Gillespie sat down with Smith in Reno to get his take on the Mises Caucus takeover of the Libertarian Party and to discuss his status as a possible 2024 Libertarian presidential candidate.

https://rumble.com/v195nci-dave-smith-comedian-podcaster...presidential-candidate.html

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[Occam's Banana]

THREAD: LP Mises Caucus features in SPLC "Hatewatch" hit piece

(SPLC "Hatewatch": Mises Caucus: Could It Sway the Libertarian Party to the Hard Right?)​

THREAD: The Nation: "The Libertarian Party Goes Alt-Right"

THREAD: Slate: MAGA "white nationalists" take over Libertarian Party

THREAD: The Libertarian Party is collapsing. Here's why. [hit piece @ The Hill]

 

[idiom]

Biggest problem for any libertarian party is that INTJ's only make up 2% of the population, but 90% of libertarians.

The other big problem is that there were in reality a big chunk of people who were libertarian purely because they hate that the government doesn't let them discriminate on race and gender.

They will stand up and say they don't want big government, but instead want nation sized home owners associations to stop the 'wrong people' moving into the nation sized neighborhood. They need a state to protect their 'culture' from 'the bad neighbors'.

Now that the alt-right exists and Fascism is popular again they don't need to pretend to be libertarian any more. Sadly this includes some (not many) of the big names.

Its pretty easy to litmus test. Are they happy living in a world where libertarian principles are the norm, and almost none of their neighbours are white, nor speak English, nor a christian? You know, a world without borders and free movement.

If they shit themselves they weren't here for liberty. Most however are happy to live in incredibly diverse communities where everyone get to be a human in their own weird and wonderful ways.