Minnesota State Convention was rigged

[MozoVote]

We don't need to get tazed. Exposing the abuses of power and doublespeak from our "leadership" and winning converts from the mainstram GOP, is more valuable.

Rushing the stage just plays into the image of RP "kooks".

 

[DrSpock]

We don't need to get tazed. Exposing the abuses of power and doublespeak from our "leadership" and winning converts from the mainstram GOP, is more valuable.

Yes it is and we are doing it at every convention that they pull these underhanded tactics. As I said, they are doing our work for us.

 

[StilesBC]

When you say 'exposing', you really mean preach to the choir. The only ones that read of these convention recaps are RP supporters. We accomplish nothing.

The majority of Ameicans are angry with what is happening in your country. Being diplomatic with those who act illegally gives the wrong message. It makes us seem like we're nothing more than a branch off the same tree.

 

[jblosser]

Did you have a majority or not? If not, you lose. If you did, they can't just declare new rules.

It sounds like a lot of delegations to the RNC are going to be subject to challenge under violations of rule 15.

 

[AJ Antimony]

How do you guys let them get away with this shit?

You have numbers. Rush the stage. Demand democracy. Stage a citizens arrest of the Chairperson. The courts cannot do it for you. They don't care about your damned letters.

If you're not prepared to get aggressive, prepare to become yet another victim of these facists. You might be able to get a couple of percentage points in the general election by voting for the LP or the CP. But even if you do get more, do you think it will get reported? Even recorded? Sure, you can hope McCain gets obliterated by Obama. But do you think that they care? The two parties are ideologically identical on any matter of importance. A victory by Obama is a victory by the neocons. The entire rest of the world understands this, yet Americans seem to buy into the bullshit every four years.

Ahh, yes. The Revolution will live on, win or lose. We'll have a presence in '12! Or will we? With the rapidity of freedoms being lost in the US, what makes you think the right to vote is a given? The neocons are willing to go to any lengths to silence the message of liberty.

Don't take the remaining liberties you have for granted. There may not be a next time.

+a billion

 

[IPSecure]

Why not find a way to tell the pubic what is going on... and skip the part where we sink to their level...

I have tried my best on a daily basis... A lot of people just do not care...

Sheeple:
- Would rather 'not think about it.'
- Would rather watch a ballgame.
- Would rather go out to dinner and a movie.
- Would rather watch Amerikan Idle. (Yes I know how to spell...)


When in Rome...

 

[RoamZero]

The meetups need to print up some pamphlets to give out at these conventions that warn of potential signs of underhandedness and rule breaking. If the average people at these conventions, even McCain supporters see things going unfairly (and being warned of it in advance) then that might help sway some people.

 

[tnvoter]

Don't worry when the GoP keeps wondering why they don't have any money they're going to come to terms with the phrase "blow back".

 

[DrSpock]

Don't worry when the GoP keeps wondering why they don't have any money they're going to come to terms with the phrase "blow back".

They have no idea in regards to what is about to happen to them. Not only are they going to lose basically everything they hold, they will also be replaced by true patriots.

 

[jonsmallberries]

Perfectly stated. I thought maybe the snowball of bullshit would eventually catch the eye of the "average" American, but it hasn't and it won't. Isn't odd that the democrats aren't jumping all over this? It's not when you realize the two parties have a gentleman's agreement to not allow true freedom into the ranks. The libs and the neocons are perfect opponents, because they're only opponents in name.

How do you guys let them get away with this shit?

You have numbers. Rush the stage. Demand democracy. Stage a citizens arrest of the Chairperson. The courts cannot do it for you. They don't care about your damned letters.

If you're not prepared to get aggressive, prepare to become yet another victim of these facists. You might be able to get a couple of percentage points in the general election by voting for the LP or the CP. But even if you do get more, do you think it will get reported? Even recorded? Sure, you can hope McCain gets obliterated by Obama. But do you think that they care? The two parties are ideologically identical on any matter of importance. A victory by Obama is a victory by the neocons. The entire rest of the world understands this, yet Americans seem to buy into the bullshit every four years.

Ahh, yes. The Revolution will live on, win or lose. We'll have a presence in '12! Or will we? With the rapidity of freedoms being lost in the US, what makes you think the right to vote is a given? The neocons are willing to go to any lengths to silence the message of liberty.

Don't take the remaining liberties you have for granted. There may not be a next time.

 

[therealjjj77]

This is why it is imperative that Ron Paul supporters are on the rules committee, nominating committee, organization committee and platform committee.

Rules Committee writes the rules and could have prevented rigged rules.

Nominating committee could have set up the slate as 100% pro Ron Paul.

Organizing committee could have had Ron Paul speaking IN the building.

And platform committee could have helped make a solid Ron Paul platform to present before the body.

There's where you guys really goofed up. We know what to expect from the GOP by now. Let's not let another state make this same mistake.

 

[Michael Landon]

What kind of influence can we have on the party in 2 years? I'm not too familiar with the Non-Presidential election year's caucus. Is there a chance that we could own the Minnesota Republican Party in the next 2 years because of it being an off year?

- ML

 

[Lucille]

Here is another writeup from a delegate.

http://joerepya.typepad.com/eaglesnest/2008/05/minnesota-gop-.html

Karl Rove closing out the MN state convention? Are they kidding me with this?

Perhaps one of the most puzzling actions by the MN GOP leadership, Carey announcement that the convention would close "by someone who can really fire them up," an address by Karl Rove. This year nearly every national Republican candidate, including John McCain is trying to distance themselves from the Bush White House. The only people in Minnesota, besides Carey and his executive committee, fired up and energized over Rove will be the Democrats. Instead of being smart and bringing in a conservative like: Newt Gingrich, Sean Hannity or Laura Ingrams to really fire up the convention crown, the "Minnesota Gang Who Can't Shoot Straight" gives the DFL at cause to crow about.

Their heads are so far up their asses...

 

[Rhys]

Anyone have Ron Carey's cell phone and email address?

 

[Lucille]

Here is another writeup from a delegate.

http://joerepya.typepad.com/eaglesnest/2008/05/minnesota-gop-.html

He updated this morning. He's fired up, and he's not even a Paul supporter!

Rochester - The Morning After!

After sleeping on my experience in Rochester yesterday one now has to question whether or how involved one want to be with a political party that openly attacks it's own and treats people with so little respect. The mean spirited behavior witnessed in Rochester was nothing short of appalling. The Minnesota Republican Party "establishment" has developed a bunker mentality that attacks anyone suspected of not towing the establishment party line and it is costing them dearly.

[...]

The shocking hypocritical quote in today's Star Tribune by the MN GOP Chair: "We want the Ron Paul people to be part of the party - they are part of the party," begs the question Mr. Chairmen, were you sleeping during the political training class on good leadership techniques? After openly attacking the Paul people for weeks as unworthy to participate in the process, by accusing them of not being true Republicans, by stacking the convention rules to exclude them from participating, and by refusing to allow them the opportunity to address the convention, you now expect them to rejoin the effort to elect GOP candidates this November? It reminds me of the scene in the movie Animal House where the fraternity pledge is getting paddled and after every smack to his bottom he says, "Thank you sir, can I have another."

Yes, this has been a sad weekend for Republicans in Rochester. Is there any doubt now why it is so difficult to recruit qualified individuals to run under the MN GOP banner? Perhaps when integrity, respect and civility is restored in the MN GOP things will change. Until then, you will see the MN GOP brand in the losing column and former MN GOP volunteers who are passionate, motivated and staunchly conservative seeking a more accepting venue somewhere else.

Oh what the hell! It was only one quarter (about 500) of the people who chose to take a day from work and attend the convention. Who needs them anyway?

You'll excuse me now, I have to return to Rochester for more classes on how to bury my head in the sand so I can be a good Minnesota Republican!

 

[Rhys]

Being in the minority sucks doesn't it? Funny how every poll, tv show, caucus, primary, voting machine, and convention is rigged.

You think that the problem is is that Ron Paul's people don't run the show and are in the minority and are not making the rules instead the world being against Paul?

If you don't like the cable news outlets why don't the Ron Paul folks raise another 35 million and create a professional 24/7 internet news network? If the market likes it, in a few years the Liberty News Network could be on cable stations across the country.

being the minority doesn't suck in a republic. If you weren't just an insurgent, you'd know that.

 

[Ninja Homer]

He updated this morning. He's fired up, and he's not even a Paul supporter!

Rochester - The Morning After!

Thanks! I like that guy, and I think there's a lot more within the GOP like him - GOP regulars who are pissed off at the way the GOP establishment is trying to run things which is shrinking and destroying the party. He gets it, and I think many others are starting to. There will be a flood of people like him in November.

This blog has been updated as well, and looks like it will be updated through the day today:
http://www.eckernet.com/

This one hasn't been updated yet, but I think it will be if anything important happens today (he had regular updates yesterday):
http://www.scsuscholars.com/

 

[rodo1776]

This is why it is imperative that Ron Paul supporters are on the rules committee, nominating committee, organization committee and platform committee.

Rules Committee writes the rules and could have prevented rigged rules.

Nominating committee could have set up the slate as 100% pro Ron Paul.

Organizing committee could have had Ron Paul speaking IN the building.

And platform committee could have helped make a solid Ron Paul platform to present before the body.

There's where you guys really goofed up. We know what to expect from the GOP by now. Let's not let another state make this same mistake.

Hey realjjj77 I don't mean to be negative but in fact if you will recall the Minnesotans were able to elect 6-8 national delegates already in the Congressional District conventions held earlier. I would say that is pretty darn miraculous.

Because of their success there the hacks came up with this strategy to railroad through everything and send in McCain National HQ people to basically run the show in every state and make Nazi style rules that prevent RP from having any chance of success.

I agree with you that that RP people should get on all the committees. But that is easier said than done and even getting on committees you have to have a majority to be able to do what you suggest.
This all takes time and for people to stay involved and learn.

And lastly can you tell us all how many National Delegates you folks in Iowa have elected?

I believe it is zero but please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[pepperpete1]

They broke RNC rule 15

I just got back from the Minnesota State Convention and I've never experienced a bigger screw over.

First, they made Ron Paul speak outside the convention in a Park. They wouldn't let him inside even though he came all the way from Texas.

Secondly, going into the convention, there were 14 delegates and 14 alternate slots up for grabs. Anyone who wanted to run for the positions were required to meet with a nominee committee the day before. Hundreds of people met with the committee spending 3+ hours in line to be interviewed. Many people traveled to Rochester Minnesota from hundreds of miles away. The Ron Paul forces had their slate of 14 delegates and 14 alternates to vote for.

Now, when it came time to vote for the 14 delegates and alternate slots, The committee filtered the names on the ballot to mostly John McCain supporters. Only 3 names on the ballot were Ron Paul supporters. Nobody knew that the committee was going to filter names and prevent people for voting for them. So basically the Ron Paul slate was 95% ineligible.

To make it worse, in the rules that were stealthy adopted prior, one rule did not allow nominations from the floor. This mean't we could not write in names on the ballot. Also our ballots were ineligible if we did not vote for exactly 14 people. So in essence, we were forced to vote McCain delegates to the convention.

There was an uproar by the Paul forces when this occured. The convention at one point was getting out of hand when there were 50+ people waiting at the microphones to speak wondering why we couldn't write people in. Everyone was clearly anger at this bullshit. This was clearly not democratic, but more like Iran where their Supreme Council cherry picks candidates for their national elections.

I am dumb founded they would not allow us to even write names in for the delegate slots. They were clearly trying to prevent Paul from winning any delegates.

Ron Carey, the Minnesota GOP Chairman, obviously cherry picked his slate of McCain supporters that would be elected. The chairman is not impartial to the campaigns, but is actively working against Ron Paul.

We will need your support up here in Minnesota this September. This action by the GOP must be countered with our demonstrations during the national convention.

Rule No. 15 Election of Delegates & Alternate Delegates

(c) General
(2) Only persons eligible to vote who are deemed as a matter of public record to be Republicans pursuant to state law or, if voters are not enrolled by party, by Republican party rules of a state, shall participate in any primary election held for the purpose of electing delegates or alternate delegates to the national convention or in any Republican caucus, mass meeting, or mass convention held for the purpose of selecting delegates to the county, district, or state conventions, and only such legal and qualified voters shall be elected as delegates to county, district, and state conventions; provided, however, that in addition to the qualifications provided herein, the applicable Republican party rules of a state may prescribe additional qualifications not inconsistent with law, which additional qualifications shall be adopted before the first Tuesday in September in the year before the year in which the national convention is to be held and published in at least one (1) newspaper having a general circulation throughout the state, such publication to be at least ninety (90) days before such qualifications become effective

I would think that if someone broke rules to obtain a certain result that upon a challenge the results would be nullified.

Does anyone know how a justified challenge, that is awarded, would be recompensed?

 

[syborius]

Well, this wasn't Nevada, where a supermajority of 2/3 could have untied the rules and started from scratch. Hopefully witnessing the large number of disenfranchised new Republicans made an impression on some of the fence sitters.

The next round will be the internal party elections. The RNC won't be babysitting Minnesota then.

Important to remember, let them have their filtered slate, now go after their positions of power and rid the state of this cancer.