I keep thinking the same thing
Minnesota State Convention was rigged
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I keep thinking the same thing
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It's a start.
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I am open to suggestions.
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Here is another writeup from a delegate.
http://joerepya.typepad.com/eaglesnest/2008/05/minnesota-gop-.html
http://joerepya.typepad.com/eaglesnest/2008/05/minnesota-gop-.html
and another ...a comment from a startirb. blog:
This convention was completely rigged by Ron Carey for John McCain whom 4 of 5 Minnesota Republicans did not vote for. Ron Carey used his power to control who was nominated essentially eliminating most of the non-McCain supporters. They created a list of “qualifications”, but many denied nominees for national delegate were far more qualified than those allowed by Ron Carey’s nominating committee.
Only 26 delegates were approved by Carey’s committee, including magically all 14 of his slate. Because the rules were set up so you must vote for exactly 14, those of us who wanted to vote for the non-Carey slate had to vote for two of carey’s slate to have our ballots count.
It was even worse for the national alternates as only 18 were approved, of which all of the Carey slate that showed up were included. Only 1 nominee did not state support for a particular candidate while the remaining 17 were all for McCain.
On top of this, the rules required that all national delegate candidates appear in Rochester before the nominating committee. Of course Pawlenty, Coleman, and one other were allowed to telephone in while others were told they must appear in person. This was in direct violation of the convention rules but any motions to invalidate the ballots or eliminate those candidates were stopped as “out of order”.
Ron Carey is a cheat and a liar.
This convention was completely rigged by Ron Carey for John McCain whom 4 of 5 Minnesota Republicans did not vote for. Ron Carey used his power to control who was nominated essentially eliminating most of the non-McCain supporters. They created a list of “qualifications”, but many denied nominees for national delegate were far more qualified than those allowed by Ron Carey’s nominating committee.
Only 26 delegates were approved by Carey’s committee, including magically all 14 of his slate. Because the rules were set up so you must vote for exactly 14, those of us who wanted to vote for the non-Carey slate had to vote for two of carey’s slate to have our ballots count.
It was even worse for the national alternates as only 18 were approved, of which all of the Carey slate that showed up were included. Only 1 nominee did not state support for a particular candidate while the remaining 17 were all for McCain.
On top of this, the rules required that all national delegate candidates appear in Rochester before the nominating committee. Of course Pawlenty, Coleman, and one other were allowed to telephone in while others were told they must appear in person. This was in direct violation of the convention rules but any motions to invalidate the ballots or eliminate those candidates were stopped as “out of order”.
Ron Carey is a cheat and a liar.
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Our Founding Fathers protested in a peaceful manner initially. Writing letters and the like. Let us hope this peaceful revolution continues because the alternative is not something anyone wants.
Peace and Long Life.
Here is a blogger from Minnesota that was on the slate and was anointed as a delegate. Crowing about how he is so humbled and honered to have been "elected" as a delegate.
http://www.minnesotademocratsexposed.com/
Here is what I wrote him:
Hey there. Good job on getting on the ballot for Nat delegate. Exposing democrats is good and it sure worked for you. Good payoff for all your hard work.
Well as a former Minnesotan and fan of Ron Paul I am somewhat shocked as to how you hacks decided to change the rules and not have the guts to allow anyone who wanted to run for National delegate.
Maybe I am wrong but I was active for many years when I was younger and more foolish and idealistic and was a dfler and I simply can't ever remember a state or district convention where we did not allow anyone who wanted to run to be able to do so.
I guess you folks are just so worried about not being able to deliver for Juan McCain that you had to go ahead and make it impossible to have a fair and honest process.
Oh well that is the way it goes but if I were you personally I would not be so proud of your accomplishment today as in reality you were not "Elected" by popular vote since you really had no competition.
I mean face up to facts. You got "anointed" due to your blog and that is it.
Sure I appreciate your work in exposing democrats and more power to you.
But when you gain this position by fixing the rules and violating any sense of decency then I think it is a shallow victory and not one I would be very proud of.
But of course you don't see my point.
No problem we got some delegates for RP in Minnesota and that you can not change.
See you in September.
http://www.minnesotademocratsexposed.com/
Here is what I wrote him:
Hey there. Good job on getting on the ballot for Nat delegate. Exposing democrats is good and it sure worked for you. Good payoff for all your hard work.
Well as a former Minnesotan and fan of Ron Paul I am somewhat shocked as to how you hacks decided to change the rules and not have the guts to allow anyone who wanted to run for National delegate.
Maybe I am wrong but I was active for many years when I was younger and more foolish and idealistic and was a dfler and I simply can't ever remember a state or district convention where we did not allow anyone who wanted to run to be able to do so.
I guess you folks are just so worried about not being able to deliver for Juan McCain that you had to go ahead and make it impossible to have a fair and honest process.
Oh well that is the way it goes but if I were you personally I would not be so proud of your accomplishment today as in reality you were not "Elected" by popular vote since you really had no competition.
I mean face up to facts. You got "anointed" due to your blog and that is it.
Sure I appreciate your work in exposing democrats and more power to you.
But when you gain this position by fixing the rules and violating any sense of decency then I think it is a shallow victory and not one I would be very proud of.
But of course you don't see my point.
No problem we got some delegates for RP in Minnesota and that you can not change.
See you in September.
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My point of my earlier post was, I'm so pissed off at the current Republican Party Elites that I would love to see McCain get his ass stomped in the general election. My hatred towards McCain is outweighing my hatred towards socialists, which is a hard thing to do. There is nothing I would like to see more than to see McCain lose in November. Well there is one thing and that is to see Ron Carey get run over by a Mack truck leaving the convention tomorrow. 
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Now that I think about it, there is no way I could ever vote for Obama but I do hope he beats McCain. It looks like a LP or CP vote for me.
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Now that I think about it, there is no way I could ever vote for Obama but I do hope he beats McCain. It looks like a LP or CP vote for me.
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Thumbs UP..!
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Why not find a way to tell the pubic what is going on... and skip the part where we sink to their level...
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More like Minnesota Republicans Exposed, for being liars and cheats. I wonder who thought up the "qualification" standards?
I would walk out of Pawlenty's speech tomorrow in protest for this railroad. I will also inform Republicans than Bob Barr is at 6% in the latest polls and if you don't want him to be at 10% you'll treat Ron Paul supporters with some respect.
I would walk out of Pawlenty's speech tomorrow in protest for this railroad. I will also inform Republicans than Bob Barr is at 6% in the latest polls and if you don't want him to be at 10% you'll treat Ron Paul supporters with some respect.
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I agree with this statement. We need only not get discouraged and we've already won.
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Some bloggers who were at the convention:
http://martinandrade.wordpress.com/
http://www.scsuscholars.com/
http://www.eckernet.com/
http://www.residualforces.com/
I like the first one the best... a McCain supporter voting for Ron Paul delegates because he didn't like the way the establishment was treating them. I have to believe that there are many GOP regulars like him, who will see how they have been misled by their leaders come November.
http://martinandrade.wordpress.com/
http://www.scsuscholars.com/
http://www.eckernet.com/
http://www.residualforces.com/
I like the first one the best... a McCain supporter voting for Ron Paul delegates because he didn't like the way the establishment was treating them. I have to believe that there are many GOP regulars like him, who will see how they have been misled by their leaders come November.
How do you guys let them get away with this shit?
You have numbers. Rush the stage. Demand democracy. Stage a citizens arrest of the Chairperson. The courts cannot do it for you. They don't care about your damned letters.
If you're not prepared to get aggressive, prepare to become yet another victim of these facists. You might be able to get a couple of percentage points in the general election by voting for the LP or the CP. But even if you do get more, do you think it will get reported? Even recorded? Sure, you can hope McCain gets obliterated by Obama. But do you think that they care? The two parties are ideologically identical on any matter of importance. A victory by Obama is a victory by the neocons. The entire rest of the world understands this, yet Americans seem to buy into the bullshit every four years.
Ahh, yes. The Revolution will live on, win or lose. We'll have a presence in '12! Or will we? With the rapidity of freedoms being lost in the US, what makes you think the right to vote is a given? The neocons are willing to go to any lengths to silence the message of liberty.
Don't take the remaining liberties you have for granted. There may not be a next time.
You have numbers. Rush the stage. Demand democracy. Stage a citizens arrest of the Chairperson. The courts cannot do it for you. They don't care about your damned letters.
If you're not prepared to get aggressive, prepare to become yet another victim of these facists. You might be able to get a couple of percentage points in the general election by voting for the LP or the CP. But even if you do get more, do you think it will get reported? Even recorded? Sure, you can hope McCain gets obliterated by Obama. But do you think that they care? The two parties are ideologically identical on any matter of importance. A victory by Obama is a victory by the neocons. The entire rest of the world understands this, yet Americans seem to buy into the bullshit every four years.
Ahh, yes. The Revolution will live on, win or lose. We'll have a presence in '12! Or will we? With the rapidity of freedoms being lost in the US, what makes you think the right to vote is a given? The neocons are willing to go to any lengths to silence the message of liberty.
Don't take the remaining liberties you have for granted. There may not be a next time.
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