Mike Pence Wins "Values Voters" 2010 Presidential Straw Poll

[AlexMerced]

I saw his speech at the VVS, it was alright I didn't find him all that special, he made a funny crack at Pelosi, but he talks in that overly dramatic insincere politician tone... that's always a major turn off.

I know most people buy into that kind of talking, but I like Ron Paul, it sounds like Ron Paul is talking not some prepared propaganda. When Mike Pence started talking about foreign policy and social issues he lost me... but he could be a lot worse, but he's not my short list.

Short List:
Ron Paul
Gary Johnson
Jim Demint

 

[Brett]

Conservative?

"that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

YouTube - You keep using that word.

Then using the word neocon is just as bad, neo meaning new, it means you're accepting that this is the new type of Conservatism.

 

[pcosmar]

Then using the word neocon is just as bad, neo meaning new, it means you're accepting that this is the new type of Conservatism.

I never said that I accepted it. That is just what it is called.

McCain, Romney and Bush have all been called "conservative'.
I reject that.

 

[Imaginos]

He's a neocon. He voted for expanding economic war with Iran and for the cybersecurity act. He's george bush from Indiana.

This.

 

[sofia]

Pence is definitely up at the top of my list, behind the obvoius (Ron, Schiff, the Judge) and just behind DeMint and Coburn. We could definitely do a lot worst, and lumping everyone who isn't perfect as a "neocon" gets us nowhere and diminishes the meaning of the word. People are allowed to be just Conservatives, somewhere between Libertarian and Neocon.

you can shrug off the mass killing of a million Arabs....and the 1 trillion dollars wasted annually for maintaining a global empire...as "somewhere between Libertarian and Neocon

I catagorize those positions as morally reprehensible as well as fiscally irresponsible.

But hey....maybe Pence will balance the budget by cutting earmarks...

 

[Brett85]

He's a neocon. He voted for expanding economic war with Iran and for the cybersecurity act. He's george bush from Indiana.

Economic war with Iran? Are you talking about sanctions? I think all but 12 members of the house voted for sanctions against Iran. By saying that 98% of the U.S. house members are "neocons," that word becomes completely meaningless.

 

[brenden.b]

This board definitely over uses the word "Neo-Con"... There is quite a distinct definition for Neo-Conservatism. I would reccomend everyone give it a read before you go around calling everyone you disagree with one.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This board definitely over uses the word "Neo-Con"... There is quite a distinct definition for Neo-Conservatism. I would reccomend everyone give it a read before you go around calling everyone you disagree with one.

1.
They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2.
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
3.
They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
4.
They accept the notion that the ends justify the means – that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
5.
They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6.
They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
7.
They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8.
They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9.
They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
10.
They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
11.
They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
12.
They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
13.
Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
14.
9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
15.
They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists).
16.
They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17.
They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

 

[speciallyblend]

1.
They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2.
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
3.
They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
4.
They accept the notion that the ends justify the means – that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
5.
They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6.
They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
7.
They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8.
They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9.
They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
10.
They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
11.
They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
12.
They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
13.
Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
14.
9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
15.
They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists).
16.
They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17.
They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

i think everyone i have called a neo-con falls under this umbrella!

 

[brenden.b]

1.
They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2.
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
3.
They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
4.
They accept the notion that the ends justify the means – that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
5.
They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6.
They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
7.
They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8.
They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9.
They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
10.
They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
11.
They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
12.
They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
13.
Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
14.
9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
15.
They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists).
16.
They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17.
They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

Thank you for posting this.

 

[RP4US]

Pence is better on economic issues than all the other Republicans. He voted against the Medicare Prescription Drug bill, No Child Left Behind, and all the bailouts.

Really? Pence knows economics better than Ron Paul? I have seen no evidence of that. Does Pence discuss abolishing the Federal Reserve? The very entity that is breaking this nation financially? Does Pence discuss our money being backed by precious metals? What has Pence DONE in office to reduce/eliminate the national debt?

During the Tea Party rally in Washington last year I heard Pence discuss how Congress needs to read the bills. So I wrote to Mr. Pence and asked him why he had not yet sponsored Downsize DC.org's bill "Read the Bills Act" and he never responded. Pence, like most Republicans spouts a lot of rheteric but does very little to obey the Constitution.

Is Pence co-sponsoring any of the following bills?

H.R. 2533 - The Sanctity of Human Life Act - Defines life beginning at conception and this bill would basically overturn Roe vs. Wade.

H.R. 216 - Amends the Rules of the House of Representatives to ensure that Members have a reasonable amount of time to read legislation that will be voted upon.

H.J. 48 - Would abolish the personal income, estate, and gift taxes.

H.R. 220 - Protects the integrity and confidentiality of Social Security account numbers and would prohibit the establishment in the Federal Government of any uniform national identifying number.

H.R. 833 - Abolishes the Federal Reserve Board and repeal the Federal Reserve Act.

H.R. 1146 - Would end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

H.R. 4995 - Allows Americans the freedom to choose the health insurance that best meets their individual needs by repealing the mandate that all Americans obtain government-approved health insurance.

H.R. 5444 - This bill repeals ALL of ObamaCare and replaces it with free market reforms, such as creating a FULL deduction for medical expenses, allowing the purchase of health insurance across state lines, and strengthening health savings accounts.

 

[erowe1]

Economic war with Iran? Are you talking about sanctions? I think all but 12 members of the house voted for sanctions against Iran. By saying that 98% of the U.S. house members are "neocons," that word becomes completely meaningless.

Maybe. But if we go with Antifederalist's definition, 98% of Congress really are neocons.

1.
They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2.
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
3.
They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
4.
They accept the notion that the ends justify the means – that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
5.
They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6.
They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
7.
They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8.
They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9.
They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
10.
They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
11.
They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
12.
They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
13.
Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
14.
9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
15.
They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists).
16.
They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17.
They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

I actually don't think that's a good definition, since in all 17 points it has, it neglects to mention the single most essential defining feature, which is promotion of democracy abroad. I don't know what else is necessary for someone to be a neoconservative. But promoting democracy abroad is something without which no one can be one.

That said, if Pence were on trial for neoconservatism, either using Antifederalist's definition or mine, based on his record and clear positions, a pretty strong case for a guilty verdict could be made.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Mike Pence is a Demagogue Warmongering Zionist Boot Licker... this guy is always pandering to the 2%.

Pence is one of the Republican clowns that held their inner circle secret meeting in Virginia after the GOP got slammed-dunked by Obama/Democrats in November 2008. Of course, 1/2 the Capital Hill republicans knew nothing of Bunker get together.

When that opportunist was out at the National mall hanging on Jim DeMint's shirttail, for the Tax Day Protest... it was sickening how these inner circle RINOs use the people's movements to ride the wave. I see this is right in line with Rupert Murdoch/Roger Ailes and the NEOCON agenda pushing their boy to the top.

This guy's only Values is to increase the value of his stature in the Establishment's Empire. Indianans are fools to constantly reelect this puppet.

PS: Didn't Congressman Mike Pence come in last at CPAC? This "Values Game" is Rigged bunch of BS... watch them run with it and put lipstick on this Pig Pence, just like McCain in '08.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I am just sick of the tea party line crossing in general. It's just something catchy like saying you are a conservative now. I want to hear candidates who will actually follow the constitution and work towards getting us back to what we were.

 

[Suzu]

I will never forget how he seemed to be channeling W at the SRLC, and how vehemently he cried out, "AMERICA STANDS WITH ISRAEL!!!"

Made me want to puke!

 

[cindy25]

supporting a neo-con for governor is harmless, even for congress or senate I can see where fiscal issues take priority.

but for president, I prefer the socialist (preferably with a Republican congress) to a neo-con

 

[Elwar]

So...Pence won amongst the Republicans that are responsible for the problems we're in right now...

That's not saying much.

 

[Theocrat]

The Impossibility of Israel

There is a common issue amongst "Values Voters" which no candidate stands a chance of their support if they are not for it: protection and preservation of Israel. For all their rants against issues like abortion and same-sex marriage, "Values Voters" make the support of Israel their primary value for whether a candidate is good or bad. A candidate can be pro-life and anti-homosexual unions, but if he does not endorse foreign aid to Israel, he will not be endorsed by "Values Voters." Congressman Paul is a prime example of that.

It basically boils down to a theological problem on an eschatological level for those "Values Voters." That's why non-Christians who support Dr. Paul will never be able to scratch the surface of engaging these "Values Voters" to change their ways. The issues they hold dear go much deeper than any non-Christian is willing to handle.

 

[Suzu]

Surely there must be many exceptions to that rule. I personally have a lot of friends who are 100% "values voters" and they want this country to have nothing to do with Israel. They fully support Ron Paul.

 

[JeremyDahl]

I will call Ron Paul anything that breaks down the barriers...

I don't care what people believe, as long as it is that Paul and his message are superior choices...


I would even promote a "strong national defense" to return to constitutional governing