Middle-class fleeing California invasion.

[angelatc]

the only other argument is they are a drain on our welfare state. i don't know any mexicans on welfare. they keep to themselves. they do what they are told. they produce longer hour work days.
where is the problem?

The problem is that they are a drain on public resources. They have kids in schools, they use the ER for their medical treatments, they drive on the roads without insurance...the little things all add up to a lot of underfunded systems that are bankrupting those of us that make more than $3.00 an hour.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research6af9

FAIR estimates in 2004 that the taxpayers of Louisiana spent $17.5 million per year on illegal aliens and their children in public schools.

 

[torchbearer]

The problem is that they are a drain on public resources. They have kids in schools, they use the ER for their medical treatments, they drive on the roads without insurance...the little things all add up to a lot of underfunded systems that are bankrupting those of us that make more than $3.00 an hour.

Central Louisiana has no problem with its Mexican population. Leave us alone if we want to have these people here.
This is why immigration is a state's issue.
Texas could tell them to go to hell, but we will take everyone of them.
this state needs their production.
they bring money into the state because the things they produce cheaply keeps us competitive on the global market.
You worry about your nieghborhood. Ours is just fine.

 

[angelatc]

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You worry about your nieghborhood. Ours is just fine.

That's disingenuous. The more poor people you have, the bigger handout you get from the FedGov, and the more it costs me.

 

[torchbearer]

That's disingenuous. The more poor people you have, the bigger handout you get from the FedGov, and the more it costs me.

Like i said in an earlier post- you think these "brown-niggers" are welfare queens. most of them are not- i KNow none that use government welfare.
The people who run those farms and nurseries wouldn't have it. everything is ran like a plantation except the workers aren't kidnapped and brought here in chains- they come to work voluntarily.

they go to church together- they stay in shacks together (former slave homes).
most of them eventually learn english and become friends with the local families.

none of these mexicans are costing you shit- but if these businesses had to charge more- or went under- it would COST you then.

 

[crushingstep7]

I love how she thinks the role of government is to take care of people.

"Mexico has their own government, they're supposed to take care of their people. Blah something about our government doing it for us blah blah"

You'll never learn ..., never learn.
Just come to New York, where the Mexicans are no biggy, but the socialism that supports them is rampant.

You'll love it here.

 

[torchbearer]

I love how she thinks the role of government is to take care of people.

"Mexico has their own government, they're supposed to take care of their people. Blah something about our government doing it for us blah blah"

You'll never learn ..., never learn.
Just come to New York, where the Mexicans are no biggy, but the socialism that supports them is rampant.

You'll love it here.

New York should do what Governor Foster did for louisiana, severly limit welfare.

 

[bobbyw24]

You'll never learn ...., never learn

Why the personal attack on her? Oh-cuz you don't agree with her so call her a name. Impressive

 

[crushingstep7]

Like i said in an earlier post- you think these "brown-niggers" are welfare queens. most of them are not- i KNow none that use government welfare.
The people who run those farms and nurseries wouldn't have it. everything is ran like a plantation except the workers aren't kidnapped and brought here in chains- they come to work voluntarily.

they go to church together- they stay in shacks together (former slave homes).
most of them eventually learn english and become friends with the local families.

none of these mexicans are costing you shit- but if these businesses had to charge more- or went under- it would COST you then.

It's your State's issue and your State's issue alone.
Louisiana might need the production, but California has been one of the more "productive" (in terms of Gross State Product) States in the Union for some time now.. mostly from movies and such, but hey. They don't need Mexicans.

If you need Mexicans, no beef over here.
Relaxxxx

 

[crushingstep7]

Why the personal attack on her? Oh-cuz you don't agree with her so call her a name. Impressive

Dude, relax! lol
I don't like socialism, and I don't like the fact that the American population isn't educated on it.

Is this not a place to vent frustrations? It's not like I know the woman and am severely hurting her feelings..

Sheesh

 

[bobbyw24]

Dude, relax! lol
I don't like socialism, and I don't like the fact that the American population isn't educated on it.

Is this not a place to vent frustrations? It's not like I know the woman and am severely hurting her feelings..

Sheesh

Yes--but personal attacks violate the forum guidelines

I disagree with Torch on some points but I didn't label him anything. He made assumptions about me based on my posts but he clarified them. Granted, I know immigration policy is a emotional issue, but if we cannot have adult, civil discourse on these issues, then we prove the MSM right in their misunderstanding of who we are.

 

[torchbearer]

It's your State's issue and your State's issue alone.
Louisiana might need the production, but California has been one of the more "productive" (in terms of Gross State Product) States in the Union for some time now.. mostly from movies and such, but hey. They don't need Mexicans.

If you need Mexicans, no beef over here.
Relaxxxx

I can agree with making this a state by state issue. this is how freedom of choice brings us together. a ron paul lesson there- and a thomas jefferson lesson.
california's welfare state make's immigration a problem.
louisiana's policies make the imigrants a plus.

 

[Dunedain]

For those few on here who are encouraging illegal immigration, I must remind you that this is the "National Sovereignty" forum...not the open borders forum (you will need to visit a socialist/leftist type forum for this).

 

[bobbyw24]

For those few on here who are encouraging illegal immigration, I must remind you that this is the "National Sovereignty" forum...not the open borders forum (which there is none).

Good point and on that note I point out that the CFR loves the fact that American has an influx of illegal aliens from Mexico

www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/ImmigrationCSR26.pdf

Thanks for getting us back on track and off the road of insults and empty platitudes

 

[crushingstep7]

Yes--but personal attacks violate the forum guidelines

I think personal attacks are really a problem when they're between conversing users of the forum. I would guess that was the intention behind creating such a guideline.

But I'll give you this one on the account of strict interpretation.

 

[torchbearer]

How about you tyrants stop trying to force louisiana to expel its producers.
i don't advocate telling your what to do with your backward.
just leave louisiana out of your crap.

never a good idea to use the federal government to lord over states.

 

[crushingstep7]

I'm starting to get the feeling that I'm another rude New Yorker (not from the city, thankfully).

I apologize if I'm a dick to the rest of my countrymen... New York State is a death trap for the soul. Back to the conversation. lol

 

[LibertyEagle]

Torch,

Don't you think that until we get the federal government out of the subsidization business of illegal aliens, that it is all of our business? Because right now, I am paying for them, regardless of where they are.

 

[bobbyw24]

I think personal attacks are really a problem when they're between conversing users of the forum. I would guess that was the intention behind creating such a guideline.

But I'll give you this one on the account of strict interpretation.

You don't need to give me anything--I think you should apologize to angelatc. I know this is a heated topic and we say things we don't mean or that we don't think things out fully before we say them--and we cannot show our tone online.

One who hurls insults against one with whom he is debating a topic loses credibilty by not attacking the opponent's position.

Any way, thanks for responding and let's all get back to our mission--promoting liberty to the uninformed and ill-informed.

 

[Dunedain]

Thanks for getting us back on track and off the road of insults and empty platitudes

Right. So this woman is suffering because she was basically forced out of her community. Obviously, she fears for the very safety of her children in the new 3rd world hell-hole the government has encouraged.

This is why California is dying. The population is majority minority and the productive people that built the civilization are fleeing with their tax dollars.
The ones that came couldn't even build a have decent life in their own country and now they come to ours illegally. Meanwhile, the socialist state and federal governments continue to subsidize the 3rd world foreigners sucking our the American teat.

Let this be a lesson to all states that embrace this suicidial belief system.

 

[DAFTEK]