Miami Judge Rules Against Gay Adoption Ban

The child needs love, discipline, guidance, and affection in order to grow and have a stable mindset. It doesn't matter if both the parents are male or both are female. Love is love. Not everyone is bound to have a mommy and a daddy, just like not everyone is bound to be attracted towards the opposite sex.

Refusing a child to be in the care of a couple who is willing to care and love the child is probably not thinking in his/her best interests.

That's what I think anyway.
 
This is collectivist and short-sighted thinking.

First of all, if a straight family wants to adopt there is no shortage of kids who need adopting. You are assuming that gay couples are taking the ability to raise kids from straight couples. Instead, think of adopting couples, gay or straight, like a back-up running team for when the first string gets injured.

My post was a reaction to the speech of the gay activist who asserted, without any rational basis for doing so, that gay parents were "EQUALLY ABLE" parents as a traditional family. That is pure hogwash, and I don't have to accept bullshit as gospel, no matter how many people call the hogwash truth. It takes a man and woman to make a child, it follows that it should take a man and woman to raise one.

This issue has nothing whatsofuckingever to do with being gay. Or whether people are born gay or choose to be gay. It has to do with the reality of how the human species reproduces. The quotation I reacted to was a clear example of the agenda of the gay activists. They are demanding that society abandon it's common sense so as not to offend their delicate self-esteem. These assholes are not going to stop until they have forced the courts to view each and every couple, no matter how perverted and unnatural their behavior is, as equal under the eyes of the law. They're going to keep going until they make it a hate crime to consider the butt-plug flaunting ass-less chaps wearing Folsom street fair celebrant anything less than a perfect parental figure. I don't care if people stick lawn furniture in their ass and parade up and down Folsom street, but don't tell me that that behavior makes somebody equally suitable to raise children as a traditional family.

Secondly, this is a collectivist statement implying that ALL straight couples are better at raising kids than ALL gay couples.

No matter how good or caring the gay parents are, they can never ever provide a child-rearing environment that demonstrates a reproductively viable family environment for the children under their care. That's not collectivism. It's obvious goddamn fact. Every apple falls off its tree. Is gravity collectivist?

If you let the free market work it out and allow groups to adopt to whoever they want, then they would be able to deny a straight couple who lacks the ability and perhaps the means to raise a child and give them instead to a functional, friendly gay couple. You, on the other hand, want to put them in a position where they can only choose the dysfunctional straight couple.

You think the adoption agenices are looking for dysfunctional straight families as adoptive households? You think these organizations are going to place their charges with households full of convicted child rapists, because "well, there was nobody else who wanted the kid"? That's ridiculous.

And no, I don't want to "force" organizations to adopt to gay couples, I just think it's ridiculous to argue that they shouldn't be allowed to adopt when there are so many kids in foster homes, which I would argue is much worse than growing up with gay parents in a stable household.

Well you better re-evaluate your position dude. Because it's clear that that is in fact the agenda of the gay activists. They are fighting to remove judgement and replace it with politically correct nonsense. Their stated objective is to force the courts to evaluate all familial relationships as equally suitable for child-rearing. That is immediately going to morph into quota demands for adoptive placement with gay families. How collectivist is that? It won't be about the courts or adoption agencies evaluating individuals as to their fitness to be parents, it will be about the ACLU crying that only 5% of adoptions go to gay families and that there needs to be more "fairness".
 
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I am positive that a lot of those kids out there living in childrens homes with no family what so ever would LOVE to have SOMEONE to love them. Gay or straight. A child deserves a family. There are a lot of kids that do not get adopted and they get stuck in the system. Being stuck in the system isn't "normal" either. I couldn't imagine not having a family there for me, much less during the holidays. When you turn 18, guess what - Youre kicked out of the system and sent packing.

I think you are spot on. I came from a good solid household, and given that upbringing I can't even imagine growing up somewhere where you are not loved.

If a gay couple wants to foster a child and bring them up as physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight, I am all for it. Yes it is unnatural in the normal course of life, but I think the child is infinitely better off in a household with those who care. A child raised by a gay-couple who slams into them they must be gay too is just as bad as a straight couple who slams into their kid some other unnatural/immoral idea, or even worse, who doesn't care about them.
 
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/07/animals-get-fre.html

I think we can all learn from the animal sex museum in New York.


I think you are spot on. I came from a good solid household, and given that upbringing I can't even imagine growing up somewhere where you are not loved.

If a gay couple wants to foster a child and bring them up as physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight, I am all for it. Yes it is unnatural in the normal course of life, but I think the child is infinitely better off in a household with those who care. A child raised by a gay-couple who slams into them they must be gay too is just as bad as a straight couple who slams into their kid some other unnatural/immoral idea, or even worse, who doesn't care about them.

Gasp, I had no idea straight couples could be God awful parents too.

Some people here would probably prefer orphans have no parents at all rather than gay parents.
 
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You have just an opinion, which is riddled with homophobia.... The judge ruled with facts, and the Constitution.

Another fake Ron Paul supporter...sad.

ONE judge overturned the will of the populace of Florida. How is that right?
 
This right here is why I won't support gay marriage. It's not about civil rights, it's about gay people strong arming society at large into rejecting common sense. Children deserve both a mother and a father, and two dads or two moms can never be "equal" to the family configuration endorsed by nature.

So would you support the relocation of children from single parent homes?
 
Keep your bullshit free speech silencing to yourself. If you want to try to force people to accept gay adoption and gay marriage, it is never going to happen. It is unnatural, and most everyone agrees.

Tyranny of the majority doesn't cut it in a republic. If i have a child and want him to grow up in a home with two dads or two mom's, that is between me and the adoptive parents.

State has no rights to interfere here.
 
I can't imagine anyone framing a Constitution in any state at the time of their adoption who intended for it to be applied to allow gays to adopt.

Many of the states didn't include suffrage for women, civil rights for blacks, etc...
 
Most (about 99%) of parents are complete failures in that regard so I don't really understand what the big deal is...its not like heterosexuals have room to talk.
 
I have no idea why it's so hard to just allow adoption agencies to set their own policies about who may adopt from them, which would allow a mother giving her child up for adoption to decide what kind of family she'd feel most comfortable handing her [ex-]child over to. The state just screws everything up when it gets involved and starts setting one-size-fits-all rules. :(

If I were giving a child up for adoption, I'd personally much rather give it to a stable family with both a mother and a father (for reasons of the child being equally exposed to male and female parental figures), but I'd also rather give it up to a stable gay/lesbian couple than to an entirely single person.
 
If a child needs both male and female parents in order to grow up healthy and well adjusted then single people should not be allowed to adopt and single parents should have their kids taken away after their spouse dies or they get divorced.

Doesn't sound very reasonable, does it? But that's the logical extension of the "children need a mom and dad" argument.

As far as homosexuality being unnatural... BS. If it's a hormone imbalance, it must be naturally occurring. Unless you think 3000 years of homosexuality have been caused by environmental or pharmaceutical toxins? If you believe in God, then it must also be natural because God created everything. If he didn't, then he isn't omnipotent or omniscient and therefore not God. At least not in the Judeo-Christian-Muslim sense.

You wanna know what's unnatural? Monogamy.
 
while, by law I see nothing wrong with it, morally and philosophically, I'd never support it.

that said, I don't like how many judges are arbitrarily quashing the 10th amendment and citizen's rights to vote on certain things in a State.
 
I don't understand anti-gay ideas. I'm not going to judge anyone or accuse bigotry or homophobia. I just am fucking confused and would like to understand. How on earth are gay loving parents in any way inferior to no parents or even hetero parents? Are y'alls even aware that the VAST majority of gay raised kids grow uo straight? What about straight Brian Urlacher who paints his son's toenails and makes him wear pink diapers? Is he more "fit" than gay parents just because he's straight? Remember back when interracial marriage was considered a lethal threat to the "sanctity of marriage?" Please explain how this makes any sense at all?
 
So would you support the relocation of children from single parent homes?

No I would not. Nor would I support the relocation of children of gay parents.

What I'm objecting to are the demands of politically correct asshats that each and every family structure imagined by the mind of man be considered 100% equal in all respects.

Even though I don't want to yank the children of single parents out of their homes, I can at the same time acknowledge that the single-parent family organizational structure is inferior to the traditional ideal. Same deal with gay families.

I object to these various proponents of creative family design plans from strongarming the courts into endorsing and supporting their lifestyle choices. Some judge is going to tell me that two gay parents are 100% equal to a traditional family? The fucking judge may as well be trying to tell me that the sky is not blue, it's pink. I understand that the judge may not want to hurt pink's feelings, but this is ridiculous.
 
No I would not. Nor would I support the relocation of children of gay parents.

What I'm objecting to are the demands of politically correct asshats that each and every family structure imagined by the mind of man be considered 100% equal in all respects.

Even though I don't want to yank the children of single parents out of their homes, I can at the same time acknowledge that the single-parent family organizational structure is inferior to the traditional ideal. Same deal with gay families.

I object to these various proponents of creative family design plans from strongarming the courts into endorsing and supporting their lifestyle choices. Some judge is going to tell me that two gay parents are 100% equal to a traditional family? The fucking judge may as well be trying to tell me that the sky is not blue, it's pink. I understand that the judge may not want to hurt pink's feelings, but this is ridiculous.

You're right. The traditional home is the best place for a child, as far as I am concerned.

That said, this should be between biological parents, any agencies that may be involved, and the adoptive parents.

The government should have no involvement in this beyond possible child welfare considerations.
 
ONE judge overturned the will of the populace of Florida. How is that right?

Repeat after me: The United States is NOT a Democracy.

It doesn't matter one iota unless there is 100% agreement on an issue. You cannot deny someone else their inalienable rights (and Marriage, last time I checked, is a Right not a Privelege) because you don't agree with it. They are not aggressing against you and are not demanding that your marriage be de-sanctified, which is not the same in reverse. YOU are making unreasonable demands on them based on your religious beliefs. You have Freedom to live as you want. You DO NOT have the right to not be offended by another who is not aggressing against you.
 
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