MI - Mass stabbings come to America

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1949225386484613340

BREAKING: Emergency officials have issued a mass casualty incident after multiple people have been attacked in a mass stabbing inside a Walmart

At this time A mass stabbing has occurred at a Walmart in Traverse City, Michigan, that has prompted a major emergency response. Law enforcement and medical teams are on scene after multiple people were attacked by a suspected triggering a Level 2 Mass Casualty Incident signaling multiple victims requiring urgent care. Authorities confirm one suspect is in custody at least nine people have been injured with reports that multiple victims have serious wounds. this is still developing

 

[CaptUSA]

Stopped by an armed citizen.

 

[TheTexan]

Ban high capacity assault knives

 

[CaptUSA]

Bradford James Gille

42 years old. Long history of assault and drug violations. Apparently was previously diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia as a teenager. His family says he stops his medication from time to time thinking he doesn't need it anymore.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Stopped by an armed citizen.

LOL

That's perfect!

I became aware of this story by tracing back from this tweet:



Which led to this:

https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1949225386484613340
to: https://x.com/NickWilde149540/status/1949235438180553150

 

[Anti Globalist]

We need common sense knife control. It's the right thing to do.

 

[Occam's Banana]

 

[Anti Globalist]

And now the story will be out of the news cycle because a black guy saved the day.

 

[jmdrake]

Bradford James Gille

42 years old. Long history of assault and drug violations. Apparently was previously diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia as a teenager. His family says he stops his medication from time to time thinking he doesn't need it anymore.

Wait a second. The multiple assault stabber who had the 3 inch knife was white and the gun wielding hero was black? @Anti Federalist who would you rather have as a neighbor?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Wait a second. The multiple assault stabber who had the 3 inch knife was white and the gun wielding hero was black? @Anti Federalist who would you rather have as a neighbor?

Very good, excellent job by Mr. Perry.

That said, how about neither?

 

[jmdrake]

Very good, excellent job by Mr. Perry.

That said, how about neither?

In that case you get the white guy as a neighbor in the Second Coming unless one of you repents.

 

[CaptUSA]

Wait a second. The multiple assault stabber who had the 3 inch knife was white and the gun wielding hero was black? @Anti Federalist who would you rather have as a neighbor

AI can help with the odds if that's what you're looking for...

Someone in the Caucasian population has roughly a 0.009%–0.018% chance (1 in 11 000 to 1 in 5 600) of being a violent paranoid schizophrenic off their medication.

Under a simplified model, about 1 in 8 Black adults might perpetrate at least one violent crime over a typical adult lifetime.

OR>>>

You could get to know your neighbors and see them as individuals instead of looking at race for everything.

 

[jmdrake]

AI can help with the odds if that's what you're looking for...

Someone in the Caucasian population has roughly a 0.009%–0.018% chance (1 in 11 000 to 1 in 5 600) of being a violent paranoid schizophrenic off their medication.

Under a simplified model, about 1 in 8 Black adults might perpetrate at least one violent crime over a typical adult lifetime.

OR>>>

You could get to know your neighbors and see them as individuals instead of looking at race for everything.

I wasn't talking about "odds." I was talking about a specific individual case. But you're kind of proving something I've suspected for a while now. For some "rugged individualism" is just racism in disguise. If you really cared about statistics (which you clearly do NOT) you would be advocating for the Springfield Haitians. According to the statistics, after they moved to Springfield, PER CAPITA CRIME RATES WENT DOWN! Sure overall crime went up because there were 20,000 more potential victims. (The Haitians). Most of the new crime victims were Haitians and most of the people victimizing them where white meth heads. You can also look at what I've already posted MULTIPLE TIMES regarding Tangelo Park Florida. After a private millionaire made significant investments in that community (free childcare, college scholarships for academic achievement, performance bonuses for teachers), the crime rate dropped by 50% in a few years and the graduation rate went from 30% to nearly 100%.

What one Rollins graduate from Tangelo Park learned from Harris Rosen

Harris Rosen Scholarship recipient and Rollins College graduate Akheem Mitchell, 23, says he owes a large part of his success to Harris Rosen.

mynews13.com

Tangelo Park Florida was "repaired." The root word for "reparations" is "repair." The "repair" needs to happen regardless of how it happens. Oprah Winfrey and Tyler Perry could do a hell of a lot of "repairing."

 

[CaptUSA]

I wasn't talking about "odds." I was talking about a specific individual case. But you're kind of proving something I've suspected for a while now. For some "rugged individualism" is just racism in disguise.

Yeah, that's not gonna work for me. YOU are the one who brought the race of the perpetrator and hero into this. I don't like racism - I also don't like racism as an excuse to deny reality.

If you really cared about statistics (which you clearly do NOT) you would be advocating for the Springfield Haitians. According to the statistics, after they moved to Springfield, PER CAPITA CRIME RATES WENT DOWN! Sure overall crime went up because there were 20,000 more potential victims. (The Haitians). Most of the new crime victims were Haitians and most of the people victimizing them where white meth heads.

There are larger problems with the Springfield issue than just the increase in crime. And yes, there was an increase in crime (the race of the victims/perpetrators isn't relevant). The larger issue there was that we had taxpayer funded NGO's importing people for nefarious reasons (to secure more tax dollars, redistricting, etc.). I've long spoken about natural immigration being good and artificial immigration being bad.

You can also look at what I've already posted MULTIPLE TIMES regarding Tangelo Park Florida. After a private millionaire made significant investments in that community (free childcare, college scholarships for academic achievement, performance bonuses for teachers), the crime rate dropped by 50% in a few years and the graduation rate went from 30% to nearly 100%.

Yes. And I posted in the other thread about several other majority black communities where crime rates are MUCH lower than crime rates as a whole and majority white communities. https://ronpaulforums.com/threads/taking-things-from-white-people.563649/page-187#post-7299380
Why?? Because it's not the skin color that matters - it's the culture. And it's not racist to call that out. In fact, it's racist to NOT call it out!

It's worth a reminder that I grew up in that culture. But I was fortunate in that I also traveled regularly to a rural culture so I learned to recognize the behaviors that lead to poverty AND crime.

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah, that's not gonna work for me. YOU are the one who brought the race of the perpetrator and hero into this. I don't like racism - I also don't like racism as an excuse to deny reality.

That's only because @Anti Federalist brings up race and crime on a daily basis. Content without context is pretext. You're doing some hella pretext here.

There are larger problems with the Springfield issue than just the increase in crime. And yes, there was an increase in crime (the race of the victims/perpetrators isn't relevant). The larger issue there was that we had taxpayer funded NGO's importing people for nefarious reasons (to secure more tax dollars, redistricting, etc.). I've long spoken about natural immigration being good and artificial immigration being bad.

^That is simply NOT true and you know it or SHOULD know it! There was NO increase PER CAPITA in crime in Springfield. Per capita crime went DOWN! It's hypocritical of you to talk statistics and then ignore statistics when they don't fit your narrative.

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www.springfieldnewssun.com

Now @Anti Federalist has been clear that he would like ALL the South African whites to come to America. That's 11 million freaking people. You don't think that many people wouldn't cause at least a slight increase in overall crime? And Trump trying to coax white South Africans to come to the U.S. under fake claims of genocide is not "natural migration." Supposedly 67,000 signed up but only 60 came. And NGOs were involved in their resettlement. And if you have principles you will speak out against what Trump is doing on this because he's attempting to use the SAME NGOs to resettle white South African farmers who are NOT under extreme threat of violence. There were 12 people killed on farms in 2024 in South Africa and only 1 of them was white.

Crime stats show no evidence of white farmer genocide

Crime stats show that just one white farmer was among the 6 593 South Africans killed in the last quarter of 2024.

scrolla.africa

At least one NGO dropped out of the program because of the obvious hypocrisy.

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www.washingtonpost.com

And white racists will claim that NGO was being racist against white people while ignoring the fact that these same NGOs who helped Haitians resettle also helped WHITE Ukrainians resettle. It's interesting that, when pressed about it, AF would say he didn't want the Ukrainians to come either, but considering he lusting over white racist South African farmers I now take that with a grain...no make that a BOX of salt.

Yes. And I posted in the other thread about several other majority black communities where crime rates are MUCH lower than crime rates as a whole and majority white communities. https://ronpaulforums.com/threads/taking-things-from-white-people.563649/page-187#post-7299380
Why?? Because it's not the skin color that matters - it's the culture. And it's not racist to call that out. In fact, it's racist to NOT call it out!

And ONCE AGAIN you're going to ignore what I posted about Tangelo Park Florida because it doesn't fit your narrative. The crime decreased by 50% not because of some change in culture but because of an increase in access to economic resources. I rest my case.

Justice for All: Belief in the Tangelo Park Turned it Into an “Oasis”

Tangelo Park had no bright future. But it all changed.

mynews13.com

Millionaire uses fortune to help kids in struggling town

Harris Rosen went from a childhood in a rough New York City neighborhood to becoming a millionaire whose company owns seven hotels in Orlando, but his self-made success is not his proudest achievement. Twenty years ago, the Orlando, Fla. neighborhood of Tangelo Park was a crime-infested place...

www.today.com

In the two decades since starting the programs, Rosen has donated nearly $10 million, and the results have been remarkable. The high school graduation rate is now nearly 100 percent, and some property values have quadrupled. The crime rate has been cut in half, according to a study by the University of Central Florida.

 

[CaptUSA]

That's only because @Anti Federalist brings up race and crime on a daily basis. Content without context is pretext. You're doing some hella pretext here.

No, I get it, but you used my post to make your case. And if you're going to do that, and inject race into, you can expect to be called out. You never know which neighbor may commit a crime, but if you want to use race as an indicator, now you're playing the odds. But the point of MY rebuttal is that using race is dumb.

^That is simply NOT true and you know it or SHOULD know it! There was NO increase PER CAPITA in crime in Springfield. Per capita crime went DOWN!

Read what I said again. There was more crime afterwards. Regardless of the race. "Per capita" doesn't matter to the victims when there are more crimes committed.

You don't think that many people wouldn't cause at least a slight increase in overall crime?

YES! That's why the race doesn't matter! Are you getting this yet?? lol. But natural vs. artificial immigration DOES matter.

And Trump trying to coax white South Africans to come to the U.S. under fake claims of genocide is not "natural migration." Supposedly 67,000 signed up but only 60 came. And NGOs were involved in their resettlement. And if you have principles you will speak out against what Trump is doing on this because he's attempting to use the SAME NGOs to resettle white South African farmers who are NOT under extreme threat of violence.

Yep. And if you look around, you'll probably find me saying so.

At least one NGO dropped out of the program because of the obvious hypocrisy.

I'd hope. But I do have my suspicions that this program didn't align with the goals of that NGO.

And ONCE AGAIN you're going to ignore what I posted about Tangelo Park Florida because it doesn't fit your narrative. The crime decreased by 50% not because of some change in culture but because of an increase in access to economic resources. I rest my case.

Did you visit my linked post? Tangelo Park isn't an anomaly. Well, maybe in that they had a benefactor. But more importantly than the money was that they had someone influential who 1) recognized that the current culture was flawed 2) cared enough to try to change it and 3) put his resources behind changing the culture.

But it doesn't take millions (although, that doesn't hurt). In addition to the scholarships, the cornerstone of the program was the Family Resource Center where parents attended courses on positive parenting, received counseling, and got food and other support. They also instituted an effective community advisory board to train local leaders on how to change a culture.

This is different from the "community organizing" that happens in other neighborhoods where the primary focus is how to secure more money from other people and blame-shifting. Rosen took that incentive away.

 

[Invisible Man]

Yeah, that's not gonna work for me. YOU are the one who brought the race of the perpetrator and hero into this.

Baloney.

One of the most popular long running threads on this website (a website whose mission statement gives no indication that such a thread has any business here) is almost entirely devoted to posting stories about individual crimes committed by people of color for the sole purpose of painting whole racial and ethnic groups with broad brushes.

All jmdrake did was exactly what antifederalist and his ilk do here on a daily basis.

 

[jmdrake]

No, I get it, but you used my post to make your case. And if you're going to do that, and inject race into, you can expect to be called out. You never know which neighbor may commit a crime, but if you want to use race as an indicator, now you're playing the odds. But the point of MY rebuttal is that using race is dumb.

Race has already permeated the entire forum and I'm not the one who injected it. But anyway, that isn't important.

Read what I said again. There was more crime afterwards. Regardless of the race. "Per capita" doesn't matter to the victims when there are more crimes committed.

^That is a stupid argument. It just is. I would much rather live in a city of 10,000 people with 100 murders than in a city with 1,000 people with 50 murders. My odds of dying in the smaller city with fewer overall murders is much higher than in the larger city. And YOU made the per capita argument for black people committing crimes so you are arguing against YOURSELF! Overall white people are FAR MORE LIKELY TO BE THE VICTIMS OF WHITE ON WHITE CRIME THAN THEY ARE BLACK ON WHITE CRIME! So you've just DESTROYED your own "rebuttal" to me. Good job!

YES! That's why the race doesn't matter! Are you getting this yet?? lol. But natural vs. artificial immigration DOES matter.

Uh...not. Your logic circuits are 100% broken. That's what I'm getting. In one post you make the per capita argument to say that black people are more likely to commit crimes and then, when it doesn't fit your narrative, you reverse course. You might not be racist yourself but you're working overtime to push racist arguments which are internally inconsistent.

Yep. And if you look around, you'll probably find me saying so.

I'd hope. But I do have my suspicions that this program didn't align with the goals of that NGO.

Did you visit my linked post? Tangelo Park isn't an anomaly. Well, maybe in that they had a benefactor. But more importantly than the money was that they had someone influential who 1) recognized that the current culture was flawed 2) cared enough to try to change it and 3) put his resources behind changing the culture.

Bullshyt. Recognizing that "Maybe people could use free childcare" isn't "changing the culture." Some might call it "socialism." I actually do call it socialism, only its voluntary socialism. Changing the culture would be doing things like banning rap music or pushing more people to go to church. (Actually African Americans are more likely to attend church regularly than white people. So does that mean black people just need to be more atheists?) The wealthy benefactor didn't go into town like a Candace Owens wagging her finger saying "You just need to adopt a different culture." He injected REAL MONEY into the town. $10 million to be exact. Being a "culture warrior" is free. Some people actually get paid to do that. (Candace Owens to be exact). But using your own wealth to make people's lives better costs actual money.

But it doesn't take millions (although, that doesn't hurt). In addition to the scholarships, the cornerstone of the program was the Family Resource Center where parents attended courses on positive parenting, received counseling, and got food and other support. They also instituted an effective community advisory board to train local leaders on how to change a culture.

Wrong. It took (and takes) millions. Find an example of some "culture change" that was done for < $1,000 and caused a 50% drop in crime and an increase in the graduation rate from 25% to nearly 100% in a neighborhood and get back with me. Until then I call bullshyt on your entire argument. And the "Family Resource Center" wouldn't have accomplished a dog gone thing without the scholarships for the kids and the bonuses for the teachers. It's funny how when it comes to social change people pretend free market principles don't exist. I remember in my old neighborhood seeing how hard parents were pushing the 6 - 8 year olds in Pop Warner football practice. "You better make that block! Hit that tackle! Don't fumble that ball!" In my naievity I said to my (then) wife "Say if the parents just pushed their kids that hard to try to be a doctor or lawyer?" But guess what? There isn't anyone coming to the high schools those kids will ultimately attend offering them the kind of MONEY that gets offered to the kids who excel at sports! Sure, most won't make it. But a lot of people don't make it through college / med school / law school either. Even though the NCAA doesn't ALLOW players to be paid, it still happens through boosters.

This is different from the "community organizing" that happens in other neighborhoods where the primary focus is how to secure more money from other people and blame-shifting. Rosen took that incentive away.

Money is fungible. If the COVID money that Democrats Biden / Harris gave to the REPUBLICAN governor of Alabama to BUILD A NEW PRISON had instead been spent exactly the same way Rosen spent his own money it would have had the exact same results.

See: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-use-covid-rescue-funds-build-prisons-n1280624

It's laughable that you call that "blame shifting" or whatever as opposed to just common sense. And I'm sure you'll come back with "Well I don't support COVID money for prisons either" but that's irrelevant. It still happened.