Memorial Day: Is Military Service Still Honorable?

[cindy25]

For those criticizing Obama and praising the troops, you all need to know that 44% of the U.S military who went to the polls in 2008 screwed up and voted for Obama. Look at the big mess this country is in and all the anti-freedom legislation Obama has supported, voted for as senator and signed into law as president...so much for the military defending my freedoms when they are actually voting against my freedoms. The military brags so much about protecting my rights and freedom and then they stabbed me in the back by voting for one of the worst enemies of my rights and freedoms. And what do you have to say about the members of the military who will screw up again and vote for Obama again in 2012?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p3

This applies to the military too
"If you vote and you elect dishonest incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up well you're responsible for what they have done, you caused the problem, you voted them in, you have no right to complain. "
-George Carlin

as bad as Obama has been I still even now believe McCain would have been far worse

the voters who screwed up were the Republican voters in NH who thought McCain was anti-war

 

[j6p]

You know it's prime time we start taking troops to task, while we take the politictions to task also. It just annoys people, that they are fighting for our freedom over their. The troops are the ones who joined, so to earn respect, they have to earn it first. Joining the military, to get respect is no respect at all.

 

[qh4dotcom]

as bad as Obama has been I still even now believe McCain would have been far worse

the voters who screwed up were the Republican voters in NH who thought McCain was anti-war

Possible. but there was no reason for the military to vote for McCain or Obama. Kokesh voted 3rd party. Many members of the military did not vote.

 

[qh4dotcom]

WTF are you on? So 44% of the military screwed you over by voting for Obama? And more than 50% of non-military screwed you over too. What is your point?

My point is that the military brags so much about protecting my rights and freedom and then they stabbed me in the back by voting for one of the worst enemies of my rights and freedoms. The military is supposed to
be smarter than the civilians about not voting for warmongerers like McCain and Obama...after all they are the ones suffering the consequences of these
wars...but no they screwed up like the civilians last election day.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Bump

 

[Dr.3D]

Yep, just keep right on making us look bad in the eyes of the military. That's the way to gain votes in the future. After they read this kind of a thread, I'm sure they will donate even more and vote for someone who we back.

Keep up the good work!

I can't stand the idiots who keep coming up with this kind of trash and threads the like of this one.

Makes me ashamed I've even posted once on these forums.

You may not like the troops, you may hate their guts, but there is nothing you are going to do by making threads like this one but cause others to look at the people of RPF like they are trash.

If you hate the troops, it is probably best to just keep that to yourself or at least not post about your hate on a public forum.

I'm surprised this thread hasn't found it's way to the dreaded 'Hot Topics' forum where not everybody and their uncle can read this trash.

 

[0zzy]

Yep, just keep right on making us look bad in the eyes of the military. That's the way to gain votes in the future. After they read this kind of a thread, I'm sure they will donate even more and vote for someone who we back.

Keep up the good work!

I can't stand the idiots who keep coming up with this kind of trash and threads the like of this one.

Makes me ashamed I've even posted once on these forums.

You may not like the troops, you may hate their guts, but there is nothing you are going to do by making threads like this one but cause others to look at the people of RPF like they are trash.

If you hate the troops, it is probably best to just keep that to yourself or at least not post about your hate on a public forum.

I'm surprised this thread hasn't found it's way to the dreaded 'Hot Topics' forum where not everybody and their uncle can read this trash.

agreed.

so many idiotic claims it's impossible to tell if they are trolling or if they are just that ignorant. butttt, my money goes with them being ignorant.

 

[Justinjj1]

You are a pacifist.

I absolutely support violence as a means to defend ones family and property. Also if the U.S. was ever invaded (which is a preposterous idea), you will find me at the front lines. So, I'm not a pacifist.

But I am absolutely opposed (like Ron and Adam Kokesh) to the military-industrial complex, and I will not show deference to the foot soldiers who make these imperialistic wars of aggression possible.

 

[Fozz]

I absolutely support violence as a means to defend ones family and property. Also if the U.S. was ever invaded (which is a preposterous idea), you will find me at the front lines. So, I'm not a pacifist.

But I am absolutely opposed (like Ron and Adam Kokesh) to the military-industrial complex, and I will not show deference to the foot soldiers who make these imperialistic wars of aggression possible.

Do you believe that US intervention in WWII was justified?

 

[pcosmar]

Do you believe that US intervention in WWII was justified?

If the US had stayed out of WW1, they would have likely never been a WWII.

There would be no UN. So No Korean involvement either.

 

[MelissaWV]

Originally Posted by Fozz
Do you believe that US intervention in WWII was justified?

If the US had stayed out of WW1, they would have likely never been a WWII.

There would be no UN. So No Korean involvement either.

The conditions would also not have been ripe for a takeover of Germany and a populace who seized on anyone who could "make things better," no matter what the cost.

The US also had its hand in the cookie jar in the Pacific leading up to WWII., which is what inspired the ire of the Japanese to begin with.

Lastly, even *if* the US was involved in WWI, the way the US helped divide up the spoils at the END of it was really the biggest red flag, the thing that paved the way right straight into WWII.

All these lovely hypotheticals people throw At least some of us know our history. Thank you, Pete.

 

[RJT]

Do you believe that US intervention in WWII was justified?

Without the US, Hitler and Stalin would have probably fought longer - instead the US helped build a massive Communist Empire, allow it take over Poland (remember them in 1939?), and dominate much of the globe. But hey, we got to incinerate a bunch of Japanese civilians to make ourselves feel better and attempt to intimidate Uncle Joe - so worth it. And, as was mentioned, if no US intervention in 1917, then there is no Versailles, and likely no Hitler in the 1930s.

Some just can't seem to grasp that interventionism leads to more interventionism - they always want to start the discussion in the middle (a convenient start place) and never the beginning.

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Happy Memorial Day

 

[qh4dotcom]

I'd be a Ron Paul supporter if it wasn't for his supporters...

Guys remember how that majority of the people in the military who donated to campaigns in the primary gave it to Ron Paul? Yeah fuck you assholes. Seriously, its becoming no wonder why Dr. Paul did so badly in the primaries...many of the people here would treat the troops like they were treated in Vietnam.

Don't blame the troops blame the people in control, blame the politicians.

Blaming the government and supporting the soldiers is as ridiculous as blaming criminals and supporting their accomplices....or as ridiculous as blaming Hitler and supporting his Nazi soldiers. The accomplices and Nazis are "just following orders" too. Both soldiers and politicians are to blame for the wars. Plus soldiers also screwed up and voted for the corrupt politicians.

As far as the military donating to Ron Paul, it's kind of sad that 98% of the military who went to the polls in 2008 betrayed RP in the general election by voting for the warmongerers McCain and Obama whose wars RP opposes so much. Remember that Dr. Paul encouraged everyone to vote 3rd party. Kokesh voted 3rd party, many members of the military did not vote. No reason for the rest of them to have voted for McCain and Obama.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Don't blame the troops blame the people in control, blame the politicians.

The politicians, generals, and other orchestrators of the wars are much more to blame, true. But the lowly soldiers share fault as well. Without them the war could not take place. Oh, that we might have more Christmas Truces!

Excuses can be made for all of them. Troops just follow orders. Many politicians, if you get to know them personally, are normal people who sincerely believe in the rightness and necessity of their policies.

Ultimately, anger and hate are tools of very limited usefulness. I could go rail at the ladies at the county clerk's office, the inspectors in the engineering and planning dept., etc. I could tell them how they are worthless, sleazy parasites whose worthless parasite children I'm sick of feeding. I could tell them to get out of the state and go somewhere they'd feel more at home, like New Jersey, or Russia. The truth is, I actually have said all of this and more to their faces, and that is why I now cannot go visit my slimy bureaucrat friends in Engineering without a police escort!

You can go around glaring at and hurling barbs at every soldier, prison guard, clerk, and functionary you meet, and you will be absolutely justified in doing so, because they are participating in a grossly immoral system. They are parasites! They are evil! But is this hate and anger working as an effective tool to help you achieve your ends in life?

Ultimately, anger and hate are tools of very limited usefulness. Let's put the LOVE back into Revolution.

 

[virgil47]

If the US had stayed out of WW1, they would have likely never been a WWII.

There would be no UN. So No Korean involvement either.

If the U.S. had stayed out of WWI most of Europe would be speaking German now. It is true that we would have no U.N. but we would have The League of Nations which was worse. Also you are correct about no Korean involvement. The entire Korean peninsula would be ruled by North Korea and China.

 

[virgil47]

I absolutely support violence as a means to defend ones family and property. Also if the U.S. was ever invaded (which is a preposterous idea), you will find me at the front lines. So, I'm not a pacifist.

But I am absolutely opposed (like Ron and Adam Kokesh) to the military-industrial complex, and I will not show deference to the foot soldiers who make these imperialistic wars of aggression possible.

The preposterous idea of the U.S. being invaded came within a whiskers breadth of happening in WWII. If you are on the front lines without the help of a professional military your stay will be short and lethal.

I for one will not show deference to the political hacks that would gladly endanger my freedom. This includes the leftist trolls that have invaded the RP forums.

 

[pcosmar]

If the U.S. had stayed out of WWI most of Europe would be speaking German now. It is true that we would have no U.N. but we would have The League of Nations which was worse. Also you are correct about no Korean involvement. The entire Korean peninsula would be ruled by North Korea and China.

Nope, No League of Nations. That was a result of WWI, and there is no telling how it would have ended. It was a near stalemate when we entered. Perhaps they could have come to the peace table.
But anything else is speculation.
Would China have developed Jet aircraft without Germany and the Second world war? Would Russia become a Nuclear Power?
Would the Atomic Bomb ever been invented?

 

[virgil47]

Nope, No League of Nations. That was a result of WWI, and there is no telling how it would have ended. It was a near stalemate when we entered. Perhaps they could have come to the peace table.
But anything else is speculation.
Would China have developed Jet aircraft without Germany and the Second world war? Would Russia become a Nuclear Power?
Would the Atomic Bomb ever been invented?

Would we be speaking and writing in English? Who knows. Not I and not you. I do stand corrected on the League of Nations although I suspect it had been in the works for some time and the war simply made it easier to promote.

 

[Vessol]

Would we be speaking and writing in English? Who knows. Not I and not you. I do stand corrected on the League of Nations although I suspect it had been in the works for some time and the war simply made it easier to promote.

You need to read more then just history books in high school if you think Germany could take over the world.

Also WW1 was a bloody stalemate before we entered it and it was the same bloody stalemate when we ended it with a bit lean in our favor. If we had stated neutral, nothing would have happened. Same in WW2.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Yep, just keep right on making us look bad in the eyes of the military. That's the way to gain votes in the future. After they read this kind of a thread, I'm sure they will donate even more and vote for someone who we back.

Keep up the good work!

I can't stand the idiots who keep coming up with this kind of trash and threads the like of this one.

Makes me ashamed I've even posted once on these forums.

You may not like the troops, you may hate their guts, but there is nothing you are going to do by making threads like this one but cause others to look at the people of RPF like they are trash.

If you hate the troops, it is probably best to just keep that to yourself or at least not post about your hate on a public forum.

I'm surprised this thread hasn't found it's way to the dreaded 'Hot Topics' forum where not everybody and their uncle can read this trash.

I agree. I disagree with it but at the very least keep it to themselves. "The Troops suck" is not a very popular message when you are trying to reach people.

I sometimes think certain people here WANT to lose. So they can keep criticizing from the outside.