Memorial Day: Is Military Service Still Honorable?

Is Military Service Still Honorable?

no not the way the US wastes blood and teasure.

the soliders are not over there to protect my freedoms here......like very ron paul republican, I am having a damn hard time KEEPING WHAT LITTLE FREEDOM we have left from the likes of washingtondc.
If they where sent anywhere to protect my freedoms(if you buy that bush logic)
send them to washingtondc and take it over......sent them to the border.....:mad:
 
Judges, police, firemen, teachers, etc. provide a service...although I think most of us agree that it could be done more efficiently and provide better quality in the private sector. However, the military provides absolutely no worthwhile service, and in fact much of what they do actually makes us less safe. Because of this, I believe that the military is the absolute worst part of government. They consume the largest chunk of tax revenue and provide the least worthwhile return. (Unless you consider killing innocent brown people a good return on your money)
 
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The military is composed of parasites whose career choices were between Burger King and getting paid to go to a desert to "FIGHT DEM TERISTS" by shooting sand.
 
Judges, police, firemen, teachers, etc. provide a service...although I think most of us agree that it could be done more efficiently and provide better quality in the private sector. However, the military provides absolutely no worthwhile service, and in fact much of what they do actually makes us less safe. Because of this, I believe that the military is the absolute worst part of government. They consume the largest chunk of tax revenue and provide the least worthwhile return. (Unless you consider killing innocent brown people a good return on your money)

The military is composed of parasites whose career choices were between Burger King and getting paid to go to a desert to "FIGHT DEM TERISTS" by shooting sand.


Wow. just wow. I can tell you've been reading LewRockwell.com. How have such self-proclaimed individualist become so collectivist when it comes to the military. It's somehow okay to insult anyone in the military, and to allude that everyone in the military are immoral racist baby killers.

go outside and talk to these people for a change, rather than bashing them.
 
Soldiers are murderers. Without them, how else could the military industrial complex operate?

"Just following orders" doesn't work anymore.
 
Another great article

http://www.buffalobeast.com/126/Fuck.the.troops.Ian.Murphy.html

So, 4000 rubes are dead. Cry me the Tigris. Another 30,000 have been seriously wounded. Boo fucking hoo. They got what they asked for—and cool robotic limbs, too.

Likely, just reading the above paragraph made you uncomfortable. But why?

The benevolence of America’s “troops” is sacrosanct. Questioning their rectitude simply isn’t done. It’s the forbidden zone. We may rail against this tragic war, but our soldiers are lauded by all as saints. Why? They volunteered to partake in this savage idiocy, and for this they deserve our utmost respect? I think not.

The nearly two-thirds of us who know this war is bullshit need to stop sucking off the troops. They get enough action raping female soldiers and sodomizing Iraqi detainees. The political left is intent on “supporting” the troops by bringing them home, which is a good thing. But after rightly denouncing the administration’s lies and condemning this awful war, relatively sensible pundits—like Keith Olbermann—turn around and lovingly praise the soldiers’ brave service to the country. Why?

What service are they providing? I don’t remember ordering 300,000 dead Iraqis—although I was doing a lot of heavy narcotics back in ‘03. Our soldiers are not providing a service to the country, they’re providing a service to a criminal administration and their oil company cronies. When a mafia don orders a hit, is the assassin absolved of personal responsibility when it’s carried out? Of course not. What if the hit man was fooled into service? We’d all say, “Tough shit, you dumb Guido,” then lock him up and throw away the key.

As a society, we need to discard our blind deference to military service. There’s nothing admirable about volunteering to murder people. There’s nothing admirable about being rooked by obvious propaganda. There’s nothing admirable about doing what you’re told if what you’re told to do is terrible.

We all learned recently that the Bush administration instituted its policy of global torture during quaint White House meetings. And we already know this war was started with lies. Shame on them. But what about the people who physically carry out these atrocities? We’ve seen bad apples punished and CEO despots walk free, but all verbal and written denouncement is focused on our leaders. Surely, they deserve that and more—decapitation, really. But why can’t we be critical of the people who have actually tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens? We deride private contractors like Blackwater for similar conduct—why are the troops blameless?

Take John McCain, or “McNasty,” as they called him in high school. While the conventional wisdom says that Obama gets a pass from the media, McCain is clearly the least scrutinized presidential candidate. He diddles lobbyists, sings about bombing Iran and doesn’t know Shiite from Shinola, yet he remains unscathed, cloaked in his Vietnam “hero” legend.

Again, what is heroic about involving one’s self in a foolish war, being a shitty pilot or getting tortured? Yeah, it must have sucked, but getting your ass kicked every day for five years doesn’t make you a hero—it makes you a Bad News Bear.

Here’s where America’s military lust becomes a true perversion. If we truly valued military prowess, John McCain would be viewed as a failure. But duty alone is enough to inspire our gratitude. Hence the left’s tendency to obligatorily praise the troops while decrying the sum of their actions. Good thing, too, because this war is unwinnable.

George Washington warned that the biggest threat to the young United States was in keeping and deploying standing armies. An overextended military is a drain on any nation—eventually it will break. It also pisses off the people your army is standing on. We’ll never heed this warning and break the cycle of violence, so long as military service is so reflexively praised.

People want to be respected. And in a country with an abysmal education system and disappearing economic opportunities, they seek respect wherever they can find it—as street corner toughs or as government-sanctioned thugs. It beats McDonald’s. But this kind of victim-of-circumstance-sympathy for the troops turns them into automatons, neither deserving of praise or damnation. Disregarding the Stop Loss back door draft travesty, they had a choice.

We’re a squeamish people; we eschew heated debates and, in principle, strive for political correctness when arguing with those who hold contrary views. The left does anyway; the right makes no such pretense. That’s one of the reasons liberals have taken such a beating in the last few decades.

As plainly stupid as religious belief or participating in immoral and illegal wars may be, the castrated left can only argue against these things by appealing to reason. In America, that fails every time. We respond best to partisan venom and ad hominem attacks.

The right has no problem painting their opponents as cowards or godless heathens, but liberals—instead of sticking to the merits of their arguments—fight those accusations by leaning right, praising god and guns, and pandering to the people who cling to them. The left has taken to appeasing bullies as their only course to victory. And that’s no victory at all.

Liberals need to start calling a moron a moron—and openly mocking that moron if his positions or actions are indefensible. Just as Limbaugh or Hannity insults the left, tilting the battlefield so liberals are left scrounging for their patriotic bona fides, the left must begin attacking stupidity whether in the form of religious nonsense, “free market” capitalism or military worship.

Instead of blowing the troops every chance we get, to prove our patriotism and insulate ourselves against attacks from the right, liberals should grow a pair and start dishing the damnation.

How despicable must a military campaign be before Americans turn on their beloved troops? After chiding the “War on Toddlers” as fool-headed and pointlessly barbaric, would Keith Olbermann still thank the troops for their service? After the “Great Grandmother Slaughter of 2010,” will the press remove the fat military cock from its mouth? Following “Operation Murder Fluffy Kittens,” will the left finally nix the “honored service” crap? No. No, they won’t.

Condemning the “troops”—a term coined during the Gulf War—is almost unthinkable. And it won’t win you any awards. “Troops” are a monolithic entity, a cohesive group of pride-inspiring order-takers. Whereas an individual soldier is accountable for his or her actions, the “troops” are too abstract to blame. For Americans, there are only bad apples, never bad orchards.

But what kind of world would we rather live in: one where fools are admired for being fooled and murderers are extolled for murdering, or one where we have the capacity to step back and say, “I don’t care who told you to do what and why; you’re still an asshole!” Personally, I’d rather live in a world where people who act like retards are treated like retards: executed in Texas.

Americans fear the truth. It’s the slipperiest slope of all. Once we start extending responsibility beyond those who gave orders to those who took them, it won’t be long before we’re blaming ourselves. And we can’t have that.

Well, guess what, kids? The Iraq debacle is a pointless bloodbath—and every time you applaud those who “bravely” fill that tub, you’re soaking in it.
 
with wars looming in Iran and Korea it would be foolish for anyone to join or re-enlist, unless they view a war as career advancement
 
And you people wonder why no one respects you.

I guarantee you that the people who were in the military that you pretend to respect (Ron Paul, Adam Kokesh) would be insulted by all these comments.
 
When I'm not busy killing brown babies and wasting taxpayer dollars I like to read informative posts on RPFs!:D Do I support the wars in Iraq and Afganistan? No. Do I realize that the U.S. Military taxes up a huge portion of our budget and should be cut drastically? Of course. I don't believe in supporting large standing armies, which is one of the reasons why I'm proud to be a member of the National Guard. Not only do we provide important public services during natural disasters, I believe we are an effective enough fighting force to defend our nation if we ever found ourselves in that situation.

Don't get me wrong, I know what a lot of you are getting at. This "thrill kill" crap disgusts me just as much as it does anyone else. I don't believe we are "protecting you freedoms and way of life" or any of that Sean Hannity nonsense. What I'm saying is that not all of us are immoral idiots. Now if you'll excuse me my shift at Burger King is about to start.;)
 
For those criticizing Obama and praising the troops, you all need to know that 44% of the U.S military who went to the polls in 2008 screwed up and voted for Obama. Look at the big mess this country is in and all the anti-freedom legislation Obama has supported, voted for as senator and signed into law as president...so much for the military defending my freedoms when they are actually voting against my freedoms. The military brags so much about protecting my rights and freedom and then they stabbed me in the back by voting for one of the worst enemies of my rights and freedoms. And what do you have to say about the members of the military who will screw up again and vote for Obama again in 2012?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p3

This applies to the military too
"If you vote and you elect dishonest incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up well you're responsible for what they have done, you caused the problem, you voted them in, you have no right to complain. "
-George Carlin
 
And you people wonder why no one respects you.

I guarantee you that the people who were in the military that you pretend to respect (Ron Paul, Adam Kokesh) would be insulted by all these comments.

I disagree. Lew Rockwell and pacifists like him bash our military, but Ron Paul and Kokesh have great respect for Rockwell.
 
For those criticizing Obama and praising the troops, you all need to know that 44% of the U.S military who went to the polls in 2008 screwed up and voted for Obama. Look at the big mess this country is in and all the anti-freedom legislation Obama has supported, voted for as senator and signed into law as president...so much for the military defending my freedoms when they are actually voting against my freedoms. The military brags so much about protecting my rights and freedom and then they stabbed me in the back by voting for one of the worst enemies of my rights and freedoms. And what do you have to say about the members of the military who will screw up again and vote for Obama again in 2012?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p3

This applies to the military too
"If you vote and you elect dishonest incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up well you're responsible for what they have done, you caused the problem, you voted them in, you have no right to complain. "
-George Carlin
Is it any better to vote for McCain?
 
The admins here allow Fozz to run amock (not that I don't support that), but anyone who posts something about anarchists are dangerous and may "divide the movement."

Annoys me.
 
For those criticizing Obama and praising the troops, you all need to know that 44% of the U.S military who went to the polls in 2008 screwed up and voted for Obama. Look at the big mess this country is in and all the anti-freedom legislation Obama has supported, voted for as senator and signed into law as president...so much for the military defending my freedoms when they are actually voting against my freedoms. The military brags so much about protecting my rights and freedom and then they stabbed me in the back by voting for one of the worst enemies of my rights and freedoms. And what do you have to say about the members of the military who will screw up again and vote for Obama again in 2012?

WTF are you on? So 44% of the military screwed you over by voting for Obama? And more than 50% of non-military screwed you over too. What is your point?
 
I'd be a Ron Paul supporter if it wasn't for his supporters...

Guys remember how that majority of the people in the military who donated to campaigns in the primary gave it to Ron Paul? Yeah fuck you assholes. Seriously, its becoming no wonder why Dr. Paul did so badly in the primaries...many of the people here would treat the troops like they were treated in Vietnam.

Don't blame the troops blame the people in control, blame the politicians.
 
I'd be a Ron Paul supporter if it wasn't for his supporters...

Guys remember how that majority of the people in the military who donated to campaigns in the primary gave it to Ron Paul? Yeah fuck you assholes. Seriously, its becoming no wonder why Dr. Paul did so badly in the primaries...many of the people here would treat the troops like they were treated in Vietnam.

Don't blame the troops blame the people in control, blame the politicians.

+1776

though they'll just say "we wouldn't treat them like in Vietnam," (someone already said it) but their rhetoric says otherwise.
 
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