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[twoggle]

Just like the war stories are written by the victors, so are the medical stories. There is plenty of information out there to make the point that Jenner was wrong about his theories but somehow it became the fact and people have ran with that ever since.

Most diseases were simply going away with good nutrition, good hygiene, clean water and sanitation.

Some good references:

JENNER AND VACCINATION
THE POISONED NEEDLE
“Herd Immunity.” The flawed science and failures of mass vaccination
In the Wake of Vaccines
Calling the FDA, AMA and Big Pharma: What the Term “Medical Mafia” Means

In addition to good nutrition, hygiene, clean water and sanitation eliminating much of the
risk of childhood illnesses, there are very good reasons why someone would not want their
young children to be injected with toxic substances just because some government
beaurocrat claimed toxins injected into the bloodstream were somehow "safe." Fortunately,
there are other alternatives to these injections and fortunately (in my mind), many are
freely pursuing these alternatives.

 

[Acala]

Just like the war stories are written by the victors, so are the medical stories. There is plenty of information out there to make the point that Jenner was wrong about his theories but somehow it became the fact and people have ran with that ever since.

Most diseases were simply going away with good nutrition, good hygiene, clean water and sanitation.

Some good references:

JENNER AND VACCINATION
THE POISONED NEEDLE
“Herd Immunity.” The flawed science and failures of mass vaccination
In the Wake of Vaccines
Calling the FDA, AMA and Big Pharma: What the Term “Medical Mafia” Means

If your position is that Jenner and Pasteur and thousands of other scientists histocially and all the world's current immunologists are wrong about how vaccines work, and that NONE of the hundreds of millions of vaccines that have been given over the last sixty years have worked at all because the whole basis of vaccination is false, and that every expert involved in the development and distribution of vaccines today is in on a massive fraud to conceal it, then I guess we have nothing to discuss.

I hope you are never bitten by a rabid dog.

 

[fisharmor]

I just would caution against the attitude that some "anti-vaxxers" seem to have, which is that being contrary is objectively beneficial. For them, it becomes an ego thing rather than a viewpoint based on scientific reasoning.

Let me preface by saying that my children were vaccinated.

The "science" of autism research is laughable. It is no science at all.
The current "science" is to throw all children with developmental delays into a giant bucket labeled "the autism spectrum", and then to tell parents that their child's condition is irreversible and untreatable, and that they should seek therapies which train their children like dogs, eking out whatever improvements they can with endless repetition.

NO attempt is being made to understand the condition. NO mainstream attempt is being made to apply science and medicine to the problem. Just "Whoops, you drew the short straw and your kid is one of the 1 in 68 who has this problem now. Enjoy changing diapers for the next ten years. But we have this county program you can get involved in."

Couple that with the unanswerable fact - no one here dares to question this - that if the parents even say boo to any of this, a health care professional can have the CPS take the child away, plus any others, too.

So why the fuck are any of you surprised that parents are looking at crazy stupid shit like vaccines? There isn't a single fucking answer coming from the medical establishment - just "you're fucked... next".
We're flipping out over 70 cases of a completely non-life-threatening disease... where if you put any 70 American kids in a room, and one is going to have an ASD, and the medical community ran out of fucks 15 years ago?
Hey medical community - you kind of created this situation, you douchebags.

No, I don't agree with withholding all vaccines. (The Gardasil thing is obviously untenable).
All I'm saying is, I understand where they're coming from.

 

[donnay]

If your position is that Jenner and Pasteur and thousands of other scientists histocially and all the world's current immunologists are wrong about how vaccines work, and that NONE of the hundreds of millions of vaccines that have been given over the last sixty years have worked at all because the whole basis of vaccination is false, and that every expert involved in the development and distribution of vaccines today is in on a massive fraud to conceal it, then I guess we have nothing to discuss.

I hope you are never bitten by a rabid dog.

Incorrect, I understand the concept, indeed. But Jenner's cow pox was not small pox as it has been told, over and over again. I understand an immune response, but when you overwhelm an immune system it simply cannot fight. This is in essence what is happen to children who receive 49 doses of toxic cocktails, into their bloodstreams, before they are five years old.

Just like when you take an antibiotic, you weaken the immune system and it leaves you vulnerable to other things that can make you sick or sicker. Antibiotics (which are in many vaccines) kills the bad bacteria as well as the good bacteria your gut needs to fight off infection and diseases.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

If your position is that Jenner and Pasteur and thousands of other scientists histocially and all the world's current immunologists are wrong about how vaccines work, and that NONE of the hundreds of millions of vaccines that have been given over the last sixty years have worked at all because the whole basis of vaccination is false, and that every expert involved in the development and distribution of vaccines today is in on a massive fraud to conceal it, then I guess we have nothing to discuss.

I hope you are never bitten by a rabid dog.

You keep bringing up this "massive conspiracy" angle. Oh, I suppose you don't think it's a conspiracy that the government controls our entire money supply and turned it into a system based on debt. Whaddayou, a crazy conspiracy theorist? I suppose there was no conspiracy to promote communism in the Soviet Union, either. Nope, nobody lost their jobs or their lives for advocating the wrong thing there. Just like nobody loses their funding now for saying the wrong things about vaccines or evolution. Nobody gets persecuted for questioning the sacred cows of "settled science" on global warming, either.

It wouldn't be hard to manufacture a consensus when the whole medical industry is controlled by the FDA. They decide who has credibility, who gets published, whose ideas are accepted or rejected, and who gets funding. It's just so obvious it's laughable that you keep acting like it's crazy to think the scientists are in on a conspiracy. Most of them probably don't even know what they're a part of, just like most public school teachers probably aren't aware that they're the indoctrination arm of the government, and likewise for the media.

Right, none of those industries show evidence of government control. Whoever thinks the government is trying control every facet of our lives is just a crazy conspiracy theorist, just like almost everyone on RPF.

 

[CPUd]

If you consider antivaxxer/trutherism as a religion, it all makes sense.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

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[PaulConventionWV]

If you consider antivaxxer/trutherism as a religion, it all makes sense.

How so? And how is it distinguished from your point of view?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Most people have no clue that air is composed of a dozen different gases, including carbon dioxide and water vapor—and yet you can actually petition the majority of the population to establish a governmental ban on carbon dioxide over carbon monoxide, simply for that the former has the threatening sounding word “die” in it, even though the latter will kill you if enough of it is breathed in within a short period of time.

Heck, you can even persuade people into banning made up gibberish ‘dihydrogen monoxide’ (i.e., oxidane), which is actually harmless water. This was actually accomplished over the years by several students as an experiment on public gullibility and misplaced fears and published in a April Fool’s edition of a newspaper (i.e., “dihydrogen oxide had been found in the city's water pipes, and warned that it was fatal if inhaled, and could produce blistering vapors.”):



The average person has no clue what a “vaccine insert” is left alone ever seen a MSDS; neither have they ever been informed about the resulting effects of thimerosal or squalene or made capable of conceptualizing the function of adjuvants.

Americans are as the Chinese emperor Qin Shi Huang, while their own government serves them as did Qin Shi Huang’s own physicians—here just ingest these mercury tablets and you will become immortal.

Squalene is the oil in your fingerprints. It is on everything you touch. You can buy it as a beneficial supplement in health food stores.
Thimerosol is no longer in vaccines for kids- and only a couple for adults such as the flu vaccine- and you can get a version without it.
Adjuvants are also rarely used in US vaccines.

Yes- being well informed is good.

 

[Working Poor]

((((((Fishamor)))))

I hear ya honey.

 

[Weston White]

Squalene is the oil in your fingerprints.

You mean that shark liver-oil be in our body and in plants even though we no eaty da' sharkyz? Zip, you be so funnie!

...And what of its connection to Gulf War Syndrome?

What Squalene Does to Rats

Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.

A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered "chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation," also known as rheumatoid arthritis.

The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.

What Squalene Does to Humans

Your immune system recognizes squalene as an oil molecule native to your body. It is found throughout your nervous system and brain. In fact, you can consume squalene in olive oil and not only will your immune system recognize it, you will also reap the benefits of its antioxidant properties.

The difference between "good" and "bad" squalene is the route by which it enters your body. Injection is an abnormal route of entry which incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body, not just the vaccine adjuvant.

Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system.[viii]

Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.[ix] MF59 (the Novartis squalene adjuvant) was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating autoimmune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.[x]

The Department of Defense made every attempt to deny that squalene was indeed an added contaminant in the anthrax vaccine administered to Persian Gulf war military personnel – deployed and non-deployed – as well as participants in the more recent Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP).

However, the FDA discovered the presence of squalene in certain lots of AVIP product. A test was developed to detect anti-squalene antibodies in GWS patients, and a clear link was established between the contaminated product and all the GWS sufferers who had been injected with the vaccine containing squalene.

A study conducted at Tulane Medical School and published in the February 2000 issue of Experimental Molecular Pathology included these stunning statistics:

" … the substantial majority (95%) of overtly ill deployed GWS patients had antibodies to squalene. All (100%) GWS patients immunized for service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm who did not deploy, but had the same signs and symptoms as those who did deploy, had antibodies to squalene.

In contrast, none (0%) of the deployed Persian Gulf veterans not showing signs and symptoms of GWS have antibodies to squalene. Neither patients with idiopathic autoimmune disease nor healthy controls had detectable serum antibodies to squalene. The majority of symptomatic GWS patients had serum antibodies to squalene."[xi]

According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a former principle research scientist for the government of Australia:

"… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called "Gulf War Syndrome," documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War.

The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud's phenomenon, Sjorgren's syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers."

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...flu-vaccines-dirty-little-secret-exposed.aspx

And what shalt thou say about ethylene glycol in vaccinations?

Yes- being well informed is good.

Sigh...

 

[Tod]

I thought this was a pretty interesting web site:

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

 

[mosquitobite]

You are pregnant with a boy (4x more likely to be autistic). You have an auto-immune disorder (also a 4x increase of risk: http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/n...links-autism-to-autoimmune-disease-in-mothers). Your spouse ALSO has an autoimmune disorder known to have a link in some cases of autism (celiac). Your spouse is 10 years older than you and you are advanced age as well (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18945690). Your husband does have an autistic uncle (so if genetics plays a part, there you go!)
Baby is born Cesarean (https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/c-s...s-risk-of-autism-study-says-101104853987.html). Baby born with low apgar scores. Has a pneumothorax at birth and spends first 24 hours under oxygen. He was jaundiced. (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/730949) Baby has horrible acid reflux (GERD). Doesn't hold his own neck up until 10+ weeks.

You tell me...

Would YOU vaccinate?

Would YOU force me to vaccinate my child?

You can't get a doctor to sign a damn medical exemption unless there is already a vaccine reaction. So you have to "test" your child before the medical profession will do anything.

Would you be able to live with yourself if there was any reaction? Would you forever blame yourself if your child was autistic?

Because I know I would.

And my child is a healthy 6yr old boy with no issues whatsoever... despite him being at a HUGE risk, according to the science. He's above his peers in every mental score they test.

I can always catch up on vaccines if I choose to. You can't UNDO vaccine damage though.

This is why I despise anyone who tells me I should just TRUST science. In my case, I do believe I researched the science! I wasn't about to trigger anything.

And for the record, I also did not get an epidural or pitocin. I birthed naturally with no pain meds for the same reasons outlined above. I pushed for FOUR HOURS before the doctor decided to do a C/S. I only say this because I went through that because I also worried about pitocin and any drugs in my system affecting him. I really did not want to do anything that might have triggered a reaction from him. He had enough risk factors genetically without adding environmental triggers on top of it!!!

 

[twoggle]

Weston,

In addition to the toxins you mentioned, here is a post I made a while ago with some updates at the end:

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I showed that the formaldehyde dose from vaccines is not insignificant as compared to formaldehyde toxicity research. See post at:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?383974-Anti-Vaxer-Dr-Whitaker-gets-pummeled-into-common-sense-by-Science-Reason-amp-Steven-Novella&p=4554230&viewfull=1#post4554230

Here is a quote from research demonstrating adverse neurological effects and potential neurotoxicity in preterm infants at doses (56 micrograms/day) of aluminum, *lower* than found in some vaccines:

"...the effect of aluminum exposure was dose-related. Aluminum exposure from the standard intravenous solutions was calculated to be associated with a mean loss of one point on the Bayley Mental Development Index per day of full intravenous feeding, after adjustment for potentially confounding factors. In infants fed intravenously for 10 or more days, those receiving the standard solutions had a major (10 point) deficit in their Mental Development Index and were twice as likely to have a Mental Development Index below 85. These results provide support for our hypothesis that intravenous aluminum may have neurotoxic effects, with longer-term consequences for neurologic development." [From "Aluminum Neurotoxicity in Preterm Infants Receiving Intravenous Feeding Solutions," Bishop et al., NEJM, 336:1557-1561, 1997.]

Dose of aluminum for the infants discussed above was 45 micrograms (ug) per kg of body weight per day for 10 days or more. 45 ug/kg/day ~= 56 ug/day for these infants.

A 15 year followup to the above-quoted study looked at the effects of infant exposure to aluminum on bone development:

"Our study produced 2 principle findings suggesting that exposure to aluminum from standard PN [intravenous] solutions that are used in neonatal period may impair long-term bone mineralization." [From "Aluminum Exposure From Parenteral Nutrition in Preterm Infants: Bone Health at 15-Year Follow-up," Fewtrell, et al., Pediatrics: 124:1372-1379, 2009]

Another relevent quote from these authors:

"Aluminium is the most common metallic element, but has no known biological role. It accumulates in the body when protective gastrointestinal mechanisms are bypassed, renal function is impaired, or exposure is high...." [From "Aluminum Exposure From Parenteral Nutrition in Preterm Infants and Later Heath Outcomes During Childhood and Adolescence," Proceedings of the Nutrition Society, 70(3):299-304, 2011]

The quote is particularly important because some people still think that you can compare doses of injected aluminum with that of orally ingested aluminum. Most of the research shows that less than 1% of orally ingested aluminum is absorbed (usually around 0.1-0.3%).

The infants in the research described above showed signs of neurotoxicity when receiving ~56 microgrames of aluminum per day for 10 days or more. How much aluminum is in vaccines? Here is one list I found:

•Hib (PedVaxHib brand only) - 225 micrograms per shot.
•Hepatitis B - 250 micrograms.
•DTaP - depending on the manufacturer, ranges from 170 to 625 micrograms.
•Pneumococcus - 125 micrograms.
•Hepatitis A - 250 micrograms.
•HPV - 225 micrograms.
•Pentacel (DTaP, HIB and Polio combo vaccine) - 330 micrograms.
•Pediarix (DTaP, Hep B and Polio combo vaccine) - 850 micrograms.

Now some may claim that the infants in the above-mentioned studies are more susceptible than a healthy infants to aluminum toxicity and that is certainly true. However, the doses in vaccines contain 2 to 15 times more aluminum than the daily dose received by the susceptible infants. In addition, vaccines contain other toxic substances such as mercury (in some cases), formaldehyde and excitotoxins which may have synergistic toxic effects.

I think that next time some government official wants to force injections into children, I would ask him/her to show independent published controlled research on the injections of these multiple poisons into the bloodstream of infants -- looking at the short-term, medium-term and long-term effects. These government officials claim to have science on their side, but really they have little safety research and mostly just industry propaganda.
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Update:

One of the important aspects about aluminum is that it can increase excitotoxic damage in the brain. See
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7902184
for example. When scientists studied the effects of excitotoxic brain damage in infant animals, they noticed that many of the effects didn't begin to show up until after puberty.

BTW, here's a list of book titles that I've found:
http://www.nvic.org/resource-center/Book-Journals-and-Magazines.aspx

 

[Zippyjuan]

Formaldehyde- toxicity comes from inhaling it. Yes, measured at parts per billion, it may be in a higher concentration that what is allowed in air people breath all of the time. But that is misleading. What matters is how much you get- the dose or exposure- and how you get it. The amount in a vaccine is incredibly tiny- a handful of molecules left from cleaning and sterilizing equipment. At total dose, insignificant. Your body produces formaldehyde in your cells- it is important for utilizing proteins the cells need. In fact, it is in all plants and animals. And unless it is inhaled, the body easily gets rid of any excess in your system through the urine.

 

[twoggle]

Formaldehyde- toxicity comes from inhaling it. Yes, measured at parts per billion, it may be in a higher concentration that what is allowed in air people breath all of the time. But that is misleading. What matters is how much you get- the dose or exposure- and how you get it. The amount in a vaccine is incredibly tiny- a handful of molecules left from cleaning and sterilizing equipment. At total dose, insignificant. Your body produces formaldehyde in your cells- it is important for utilizing proteins the cells need. In fact, it is in all plants and animals. And unless it is inhaled, the body easily gets rid of any excess in your system through the urine.

Formaldehyde is toxic when it gets in the bloodstream through inhalation or through injection. Either way, it gets in the bloodstream. In fact, they way formaldehyde is tested in animals is often through formalin injections. When it is ingested, it tends to be less toxic because only a small percentage gets into the bloodstream.

You are right that there is not a ton of formaldehyde, .1 mg - .2 mg of formaldehyde (in some cases) in certain vaccines. School children getting ~0.75 mg per day of formaldehyde showed adverse effects. I think aluminum by itself is a hazard, but in the vaccines with aluminum and formaldehyde, I think it's even worse.

 

[Weston White]

Yes, these compounds work together as binders to upstream other compounds beyond the blood-brain-barrier and multiply their own half-life effects.

Mercury and Aluminum in Vaccines: a Primer on NVIC’s Vaccine Ingredients Calculator
What's really in vaccines? Proof of MSG, formaldehyde, aluminum and mercury
Synergistic toxicity

...Or else magical spells are involved: