Meet the Latest Driver of the Anti-Vaccine Clown Car

[angelatc]

http://time.com/3689645/wolfson-antivaccine-measles/

“What we’re really talking about is just a fever and a rash,” he says. Yes, a fever and a rash that still kills 145,700 unvaccinated people per year. And what does 145,700 people look like? Picture four sold-out Fenway Parks. Now kill all of those people—mostly children. Every year.

Wolfson, like most anti-vaxxers, rails broadly and emptily at the “chemicals” in vaccines and argues that we shouldn’t be putting them into our children’s bodies. But arginine and alinine and octene and hexanal and 2-methyl butyraldehyde are chemicals too and they’re just five of the 73 you put in your body every time you eat a blueberry.

 

[juleswin]

145k children in the US? around the world? And how many of those children were going to die anyway from say the common cold? The truth is that the vast vast majority of the people dying from measles are sick and malnourished people in the 3rd world, the 2nd set are probably sick kids going through chemo or taking some immune suppressing drugs.

Not saying every single one of those children shouldn't be given a chance but its a bit disingenuous when you put up the total number of deaths with no context whatsoever to evaluate it. Also, just about everything is made from chemicals, sugar is a chemical compound so is arsenic but not all chemicals have the same interaction with the human body. I will eat sugar before I ever eat arsenic and yet both are chemicals, imagine that.

You can do better than this

 

[tod evans]

As a parent with a healthcare background and an obvious liberty/freedom bend I don't mind saying I made the decision to vaccinate my kid...

But...........

This was my decision for my child, I do not have the authority to even advise another parent what they should do for their kid, nor do I want that authority.

I understand both sides to this issue and am fully capable of respecting both sides.

What I can't get my lil' pea brain around is one side harping on the other......:o

 

[jmdrake]

Respond please.

 

[fisharmor]

Respond please.

Without name calling? Not gonna happen.

 

[juleswin]

Respond please.

Yea, flu like symptoms is not the flu. Most viruses that affect the upper respiratory tract have the same symptoms as the flu. Also there is a sort of anti placebo effect that comes with the flu. For me, I get the same flu like symptoms every time I get the flu vaccine. Also his body may not have created enough anti bodies to ward off an infection. Nothing I saw in that video tell me the flu vaccine gave him the flu virus.

 

[Acala]

As a parent with a healthcare background and an obvious liberty/freedom bend I don't mind saying I made the decision to vaccinate my kid...

But...........

This was my decision for my child, I do not have the authority to even advise another parent what they should do for their kid, nor do I want that authority.

I understand both sides to this issue and am fully capable of respecting both sides.

What I can't get my lil' pea brain around is one side harping on the other......:o

I also vaccinated my kids. I don't care if anyone else does. If you get measles going to Disneyland, well, that's what you get for going to Disneyland.

 

[Natural Citizen]

As a parent with a healthcare background and an obvious liberty/freedom bend I don't mind saying I made the decision to vaccinate my kid...

But...........

This was my decision for my child, I do not have the authority to even advise another parent what they should do for their kid, nor do I want that authority.

I understand both sides to this issue and am fully capable of respecting both sides.

What I can't get my lil' pea brain around is one side harping on the other......:o

Yeah, it's a kind of a catch 22. I was reading another forum member's thought on the idea that people may be on the same page and maybe not know it but I think that was also shortselling the debate a bit too. I'm not subsequently endorsing a government force and other intrusions that come as a consequence in the never let a good crisis go to waste department.

Like so... Obama proposes genetic biobank of 1mn Americans’ DNA to fight disease

A new $215 million US government proposal would seek more than 1 million American volunteers for analysis of their genetic information in an initiative to fight disease, while developing targeted health care based on one’s DNA.

The US Congress has signaled support for the biobank project, according to Science magazine, but it would still have to approve Obama’s funding proposal.

Dr. Margaret Hamburg, the FDA's commissioner, said Thursday a new regulatory structure to accompany the development of new drugs and precision medicine "presents a set of new issues for us at FDA,” adding that the agency is in the process of working on new ways to review individualized medical procedures.

DNA mapping is an increasingly valuable tool for law enforcement as well as the health industry. In its 2013 Maryland v. King ruling, the US Supreme Court narrowly decided that the Fourth Amendment allows law enforcement to, without a warrant, collect DNA samples from arrestees even if they have not been convicted of a crime.

"Make no mistake about it,” the dissenting group of justices wrote of the majority decision. “Your DNA can be taken and entered into a national database if you are ever arrested, rightly or wrongly, and for whatever reason."

As far as what I personally have done, I also vaccinate junior as necessary. He's a collegiate and semi-professional athlete and does quite a bit of traveling. In fact, he's spent a great deal of travelling his entire life. But at the same time, I've also opted to not vaccinate with regard to some of the recent flu stuff that was being solicited in the schools and industry campaigns on social and legacy media. As well, I've not dumped a whole load of vaccines on him at a single time either.

And, again, I'd mention that there are evolving technologies that may be capable of universally dealing with amost ALL virus'. But we aren't talking bout that now are we. Which is a major problem. We should be.

 

[donnay]

Rand Paul on Vaccines: 'Most of Them Ought to Be Voluntary'
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...ost-of-them-ought-to-be-voluntary-?cmpid=yhoo

 

[Acala]

Rand Paul on Vaccines: 'Most of Them Ought to Be Voluntary'
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...ost-of-them-ought-to-be-voluntary-?cmpid=yhoo

ALL of them ought to be voluntary.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Rand Paul on Vaccines: 'Most of Them Ought to Be Voluntary'
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...ost-of-them-ought-to-be-voluntary-?cmpid=yhoo

Tee hee.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Rand Paul on Vaccines: 'Most of Them Ought to Be Voluntary'
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...ost-of-them-ought-to-be-voluntary-?cmpid=yhoo

Yup, the decision of adults to pursue natural approaches to optimizing their children's immune system (or their own immune system) should be respected by other adults.

 

[georgiaboy]

Rand Paul on Vaccines: 'Most of Them Ought to Be Voluntary'
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...ost-of-them-ought-to-be-voluntary-?cmpid=yhoo

To be clear, Rand unequivocally stated he is pro-vaccine, and pro-freedom.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Wolfson's rant is Epic.. and its totally onpoint Angela... hey look if you like vaccines then take them... thats all i can say.. but I think theyre way unhealthy so theyre not for me.

Its kinda like food.. If you think drinking processed milk is healthy then drink it, whereas Ill drive 2 hours to a farm to get it straight from the cow, raw.

to each their own

 

[Natural Citizen]

To be clear, Rand unequivocally stated he is pro-vaccine, and pro-freedom.

It's kind of funny how when if we're pro-vaccine then we get labeled as such. But if we're not pro-vaccine then we get labeled as anti-vaxxers. Similar to what we saw with regard to the "truther" thing. It just boils down to being afraid of discussing the criticals, I suppose, and so we tend to rely upon political linguistics to bail out..

I still say that traditional vaccination products are becoming obsolete. And that is honestly what we should be debating. That's how we spin "anti-vaxxers" into scientifically literate people who keep updated with regard to developing technologies relative to fighting virus.

 

[cajuncocoa]

To be clear, Rand unequivocally stated he is pro-vaccine, and pro-freedom.

And I support his decision to make his own choices for himself and his family, as well as his awareness that everyone should have the same right.

 

[donnay]

To be clear, Rand unequivocally stated he is pro-vaccine, and pro-freedom.

That's great--the best part is, he is unequivocally pro-Liberty with the statement he made. I don't care if he is pro-vaccine so long as he is not pro-forced vaccine.

 

[RJB]

But if we're not pro-vaccine then we get labeled as anti-vaxxers.

I hear you, but I'll wear the anti-vaxxer crown that I was give with pride.

 

[donnay]

I hear you, but I'll wear the anti-vaxxer crown that I was give with pride.

Me too!

 

[juleswin]

Me too!

I think it would be a bit easier for you since you are really an anti vaxxer. Rand like most people who believe in voluntary vaccinations are pro vaccination. They just don't believe in forcing everyone to vaccinate.

I am not going to wear any anti vaxx badge cos I am not one. I got my hep series not because anyone told me to but because I needed it.