[Media] Clint Eastwood Ad

[MikeStanart]

What do ya'll think?

 

[RickyJ]

It is way past half-time in America. We got less than a minute on the clock and the other team has the ball and we are down by 100 points.

 

[NidStyles]

Meh, it's a sales pitch.

 

[nobody's_hero]

When I saw both that advertisement and the Chevy one, all I could think of were the bailouts. Hell, our tax dollars were probably used to air the Chevy ad, for sure.

Does anyone else get that way when they see automobile commercials? I just end up thinking to myself, "Oh yeah, that's the company I swore I'd never do business with again."

And General Electric taking credit for helping make Budweiser beer was . . . odd. I hate Government Electric but I'm not ready to punish Budweiser for making a commercial with them.

 

[moderate libertarian]

I saw that ad during half time. While I commend Det Auto companies to make an ad that could cause some people to reflect and the spirit behind it to look to future, I don't think we can afford to pretend that we are now past "blame and discord" phase as ad advocates. I assumed "one punch" in the ad referred to recent war conflict costs ( 9/11, Iraq invasion etc) but those costs continue to mount as we speak. Need for "blame and discord" is as great today as it was in 2003 before Iraq blunder or the day we decided to be patron of foreign occupations/oppressions, parasite welfare states, dictators in mideast. Supporting such oppression and interventions is no longer profitable for our economy and time to blame same ongoing policies is today as it was yesterday.

I liked Clint in the blame mode a tad bit better:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOhSSD8jI8o


SB today lacks energy and bit dull, halftime show by notorious neocon madonna was also lame.

Best part of the Super Bowl today so far has been national anthem sung by Kelly Clarkson.

 

[Luciconsort]

Detroit had decades to better the processes... make a better quality, more fuel efficient vehicle.... but nooooooo. Now they are gonna build their future on the backs of our grandchildren, and most American cars still suck ass.

 

[seraphson]

What the hell was that? Giving a false pretense because some famous Americana old timer bad ass says "oh things will get better just because". Much like his acting career this was just another "show"; nothing real or promising about it.

 

[smithtg]

anyone get the feeling that Obama had some say in the ads tonight? The GE ad, the chevy ad, and a few others tried to paint some rosy picture for this bankrupt country. Huge TV audience, most barely able to read, but man with football and Amerika they can do bigger things!

 

[No Free Beer]

Stop being so cynical.

No shit we disagree with the bailouts and GM will prob go down the tube again.

But, the commercial had a very positive feel to it.

Embrace it.

Lets do this for Ron. Lets do this for ourselves. Lets do this for America.

 

[Boss]

I despise this ad. It makes me cringe to watch it.

First, lets keep politics out of advertisements during sporting events, shall we? What exactly was America's "first half"? Does America's "first half" have license to ignore the Iraq war, during which many of our fellow citizens in the military were killed? I don't think that is analogous to a football game and its disgusting to make the comparison.

All of the "we pulled together" code language surfacing again; sound familiar? (SOTU)

This ad achieves the purpose of entrenching a certain type of political dialect in the mind of the average citizen who knows nothing about politics, so when they hear 3 second sound bytes of Obama talking about "we all have to pull together" they will not question what he means by this.

I hate this ad. It is emblematic of the problem.

 

[moderate libertarian]

anyone get the feeling that Obama had some say in the ads tonight? The GE ad, the chevy ad, and a few others tried to paint some rosy picture for this bankrupt country. Huge TV audience, most barely able to read, but man with football and Amerika they can do bigger things!

NBC is also neocon central and not just CBS, Obama's fluff interview couple of hours before Super Bowl seem creation of same neocon team.

Obama's masters are some of the worst and most plaotting media savy scums that have ever existed in politics.

 

[georgiaboy]

When I saw both that advertisement and the Chevy one, all I could think of were the bailouts. Hell, our tax dollars were probably used to air the Chevy ad, for sure.

Does anyone else get that way when they see automobile commercials? I just end up thinking to myself, "Oh yeah, that's the company I swore I'd never do business with again."

And General Electric taking credit for helping make Budweiser beer was . . . odd. I hate Government Electric but I'm not ready to punish Budweiser for making a commercial with them.

Pretty much where I landed. IIRC, Ford isn't listed as one of the car companies at the end of Clint's "halftime in America" ad, correct? Wonder why? eta: just re-watched. It was a Chrysler ad, that's why. nvm. But yeah, I thought "bailouts".

"Halftime in America" translates to "midway between Obama's first and second terms". Propaganda writ large.

 

[Lothario]

Go Amuurica!!! #1

 

[cstarace]

I despise this ad. It makes me cringe to watch it.

First, lets keep politics out of advertisements during sporting events, shall we? What exactly was America's "first half"? Does America's "first half" have license to ignore the Iraq war, during which many of our fellow citizens in the military were killed? I don't think that is analogous to a football game and its disgusting to make the comparison.

All of the "we pulled together" code language surfacing again; sound familiar? (SOTU)

This ad achieves the purpose of entrenching a certain type of political dialect in the mind of the average citizen who knows nothing about politics, so when they hear 3 second sound bytes of Obama talking about "we all have to pull together" they will not question what he means by this.

I hate this ad. It is emblematic of the problem.

Jesus Christ. Sometimes I feel like Ron Paul supporters have nothing better to do than just complain. Over-analyzing, much?

The advertisement is not about politics. It's about our country and the comeback of the American automakers, in this case Chrysler (who, bailout or not, has rebounded extremely well). Ron Paul has always been explicit in separating America from Washington and the politicians. Yes, America has gone through a rough period recently (and unfortunately will continue to do so), Americans are scared, are uncertain about the future, have been divided. None of that was untrue.

Chrysler is not owned by the US government anymore, not even 1%. So to draw some sort of parallel between the SOTU and Obama and this Chrysler ad is completely ridiculous.

 

[Boss]

Jesus Christ. Sometimes I feel like Ron Paul supporters have nothing better to do than just complain. Over-analyzing, much?

Fallacy #1 - Ad hominem. Your opening intends to discredit my statement by grouping me together with other Ron Paul supporters that you think have the negative attribute of "nothing better to do than complain." In arguments/debates/discussions, stick to addressing the points and refrain from ad hominem (although if your only exposure to debate/discussion is cable news, you will see ad hominem attacks all the time and therefore probably adopt it as your arguing style).

The advertisement is not about politics. It's about our country and the comeback of the American automakers, in this case Chrysler (who, bailout or not, has rebounded extremely well).

Fallacy #2 - Straw Man. I never said the advertisement is about politics--yet you attack my statement as if it is what I said. I intimated that the advertisement contains a political undertone by stating "lets keep politics out of our sports ads." You plainly state "the advertisment is not about politics"--you're right, its about car manufacturers. But can you support the claim that the advertisement does not contain a political undertone? If you can make this claim, I'd be curious to see how you define "political."

Ron Paul has always been explicit in separating America from Washington and the politicians.

Ron Paul is also against absolutism, although you have no problem tossing around the word "always" when describing Dr. Paul. Furthermore, I doubt Dr. Paul supports what you just said. America elects its politicians and America must suffer the consequences of doing so. To categorically separate the two is to ignore how our "democracy" works. Additionally, politicians are Americans also, are they not? By the same token, I think Dr. Paul does not hold the American people accountable for the corruption of Washington and the politicians, and I think he is critical of our current system of government, but that in no way implies that he (or anyone) categorically separates America from America's politicians; the two are fatefully intertwined.

Yes, America has gone through a rough period recently (and unfortunately will continue to do so), Americans are scared, are uncertain about the future, have been divided. None of that was untrue.

I fail to see the point of this statement. I don't think anyone in the US would disagree with this (except about your prediction that the US "will continue to do so."

Chrysler is not owned by the US government anymore, not even 1%. So to draw some sort of parallel between the SOTU and Obama and this Chrysler ad is completely ridiculous.

And your 3rd fallacy. You imply it is "completely ridiculous" to "draw some sort of parallel between the SOTU and Obama and this Chrysler ad" -- and your reasoning is simply because "Chrysler is not owned by the US government anymore." Why does it necessarily follow that because the government doesn't own Chrysler, that there can't be "some sort of parallel" between the words Obama used in the SOTU and the words Chrysler used in its ad? This is precisely the nature of Crony Capitalism--the blurred relationship between "free" corporations and lawmakers, which benefits both, at the expense of the people. Beyond the fact that I provided enough evidence to call your presupposition into doubt (the similar language that I pointed out in my original post), you haven't provided sufficient reason to prove otherwise beyond your own speculation, padded with Gingrich-esque descriptive words to help drive your point home. I candidly find myself distraught with disagreement at the absurd notion of the unbelievable rhetoric which you just carelessly spewed in my general vicinity.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

When I saw both that advertisement and the Chevy one, all I could think of were the bailouts. Hell, our tax dollars were probably used to air the Chevy ad, for sure.

Does anyone else get that way when they see automobile commercials? I just end up thinking to myself, "Oh yeah, that's the company I swore I'd never do business with again."

And General Electric taking credit for helping make Budweiser beer was . . . odd. I hate Government Electric but I'm not ready to punish Budweiser for making a commercial with them.

After the bailouts I vowed that I nor my childrens children will ever purchase an American made car. F**K U GM!

 

[Vessol]

I despise this ad. It makes me cringe to watch it.

First, lets keep politics out of advertisements during sporting events, shall we? What exactly was America's "first half"? Does America's "first half" have license to ignore the Iraq war, during which many of our fellow citizens in the military were killed? I don't think that is analogous to a football game and its disgusting to make the comparison.

All of the "we pulled together" code language surfacing again; sound familiar? (SOTU)

This ad achieves the purpose of entrenching a certain type of political dialect in the mind of the average citizen who knows nothing about politics, so when they hear 3 second sound bytes of Obama talking about "we all have to pull together" they will not question what he means by this.

I hate this ad. It is emblematic of the problem.

My thoughts entirely. It's well-past halftime. Infact I'd argue that we've gone into overtime past when the game was actually supposed to end. And if Ron Paul doesn't score the winning goal, America is finished.

 

[Alawn]

After the bailouts I vowed that I nor my childrens children will ever purchase an American made car. F**K U GM!

Ford didn't take the bailout. Part of the reason I got one.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Detroit had decades to better the processes... make a better quality, more fuel efficient vehicle.... but nooooooo. Now they are gonna build their future on the backs of our grandchildren, and most American cars still suck ass.

Toyota Tundra! (2007)

 

[Mckarnin]

Honestly this seems like a thinly veiled political nod to Obama and the bailouts they received using our tax dollars. I guess "no political ads during the super bowl" really means kiss ass discreetly.