McDonalds Incident Proof Positive That We Need Our Full Gun Rights Restored

AuH20 said:
But it wasn't even that. They escalated it even further by chasing him into the food prep area. That's like smacking a grizzly in the face, who initially retreats and then you follow him back into it's cave. You're going to provoke a fight or flight response.
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OK, i get your folks viewpoint. Unlimited violence is a response anytime you may be chased or slapped or heck, pushed or even spit at maybe. Maybe if a child has a temper tantrum and hits someone we should open him up with bullets too. Self defense
 
squarepusher said:
a slap to the face by a women, you sir are a coward.
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In our new, gender neutral, chivalry is dead, metrosexual society, why should a slap from a female be treated any differently than a slap from a male?

I think a valid point is being made that the line was crossed when they jumped the counter and pursued the "attack".

I see a man get hit by a female customer, shrug it off and retreat, and two people jump the counter and pursue the "attack".
 
squarepusher said:
OK, i get your folks viewpoint. Unlimited violence is a response anytime you may be chased or slapped or heck, pushed or even spit at maybe. Maybe if a child has a temper tantrum and hits someone we should open him up with bullets too. Self defense
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Why do you insist on making up situations and playing pretend?
 
squarepusher said:
OK, i get your folks viewpoint. Unlimited violence is a response anytime you may be chased or slapped or heck, pushed or even spit at maybe. Maybe if a child has a temper tantrum and hits someone we should open him up with bullets too. Self defense
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The slap was ignore worthy. The chase provoked a necessary response. That's how I viewed it.
 
Anti Federalist said:
In our new, gender neutral, chivalry is dead, metrosexual society, why should a slap from a female be treated any differently than a slap from a male?

I think a valid point is being made that the line was crossed when they jumped the counter and pursued the "attack".

I see a man get hit by a female customer, shrug it off and retreat, and two people jump the counter and pursue the "attack".
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I don't know why he held back and only crushed their skulls, I think he should have just killed them completely. Who knows they might of had a sword in their purse, or even a small bomb.
 
squarepusher said:
So this was deserved and totally appropriate, right?
Police bodyslam 80-year-old woman in Columbus, OH

and this one too
84-year-old vet suffers broken neck after police takedown


so if you even brush a cop the wrong way, or are appeared as'aggressive' expect a lunch full of lead or tazers.
even if you are a women or child
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You want to use that as an example? Seriously? Threatening the public and police with a knife is a little more serious than "brushing someone the wrong way". The fact that she was an 80 year old black woman does not change the fact that,

"This old lady was in the parking lot of Walmart in Whitehall, Ohio swinging a knife at people, when the police arrived she wouldn't drop the knife so the police officer took her down, the lady also assulted a kid by hitting him which sparked the crowd of people outside anyway, he was with relatives who intervened and that's when the knife swinging started anyone that tried to help her she began to swing her knife at them threatening them."
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Merk said:
You want to use that as an example? Seriously? Threatening the public and police with a knife is a little more serious than "brushing someone the wrong way". The fact that she was an 80 year old black woman does not change the fact that,
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it was like a butter or kitchen knife from what I heard.

Think of these women like angry children, which essentially they were. If an angry child has a fit, is it ok with retaliate with full force and weapon? Sure, you might get away with it in court as self defense, but is it really ok or appropriate?
 
Well, from another video I watched, the cashier had been in prison for 10 years, and I'm sure that changes your perspective some when you're attacked.
 
squarepusher said:
I don't know why he held back and only crushed their skulls, I think he should have just killed them completely. Who knows they might of had a sword in their purse, or even a small bomb.
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He fought back with what he had at hand.

That said, I'll cede your point and say that it does look excessive, and that I would not have been inclined to do that.

But to compare this to police brutality is comparing apples and bowling balls.

Police have a monopoly on violence under law, and are, (at least they are supposed to) exercise due diligence and restraint when using that force and only use that force which is needed to stop an attack.

Of course that's not the case any more, as my numerous posts on that subject attest to.

Now, since you called Pete a coward, I would really like an answer to the question I asked.
 
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squarepusher said:
I don't know why he held back and only crushed their skulls, I think he should have just killed them completely. Who knows they might of had a sword in their purse, or even a small bomb.
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Well, that would have rid the community of two violent criminals.
And served as an object lesson to others who may be criminally intent.
 
I don't think his response was excessive at all. I find this because I was in a similar situation once. Some guy came up to me and threw a punch. I beat the guy down and then showed mercy. Because of that the guy got up picked up an object and knocked me out. Ever since then if someone comes at me I finish it. If a stranger attacks you have to use as much force as you can to protect yourself. You make sure that person is not getting up again to continue the attack.
 
squarepusher said:
a slap deserves a caved in head, got your opinion thanks.
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Jumping over a counter and teaming up on him. Was their goal to kill him? Maybe.

You call it al slap but it may be attempted murder. Two people trying to murder him!

No doubt he went overboard, but they should be charged with as much as him considering it's all their fault. They hunted him down and may have been trying to kill him. He used excessive force and is guilty of that.
 
Yeah, carry a gun. This whole incident could have been resolved in about 3 seconds after the first lady jumped over the counter. Love it or hate it, 30 to 45 seconds of beating someone with a metal rod once they're down does NOT look good in a courtroom. But shooting a 250 pound person who vaults over the counter like that wouldn't have that "cringe" factor.

Of course, this guy was a convicted felon, so the odds of him being able to legally carry a gun are unlikely, so he used the first thing he could get his hands on.
 
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Anti Federalist said:
In our new, gender neutral, chivalry is dead, metrosexual society, why should a slap from a female be treated any differently than a slap from a male?

I think a valid point is being made that the line was crossed when they jumped the counter and pursued the "attack".

I see a man get hit by a female customer, shrug it off and retreat, and two people jump the counter and pursue the "attack".
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And what if they had guns. His action could have been what saved his life.
 
I'm just waiting for the mortal kombat version to come out before I pass judgement, as it gives epic clarity to the situation.

Personally I think it is something in the food that makes people crazy. Here's an older incident, with the appropriate theme music.

 
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