McCain's surge tells me that we were wrong about something.

[Matthew Zak]

The polls indicate that Americans do not support the war. But somehow McCain is doing quite well. What this tells me is that our population is very fickle, and that it's not the war they're against, it's the war going badly they're against.

If McCain gets the GOP nomination I think the GOP will rally strongly behind him. This worries me a lot. So much so that I think he may even beat Obama. Obama doesn't seem to stand for anything. He's inspiring a lot of Democrats and independents, and he's rallying up the young vote -- but when it comes down to it, he's a flake. He's silly puddy. He's butter, and the establishment is a really hot knife.

We need to take down McCain, and educate people on why this war is never going to go well. That's what we should have been doing.

 

[Patrick Henry]

The polls indicate that Americans do not support the war. But somehow McCain is doing quite well. What this tells me is that our population is very fickle, and that it's not the war they're against, it's the war going badly they're against.

If McCain gets the GOP nomination I think the GOP will rally strongly behind him. This worries me a lot. So much so that I think he may even beat Obama. Obama doesn't seem to stand for anything. He's inspiring a lot of Democrats and independents, and he's rallying up the young vote -- but when it comes down to it, he's a flake. He's silly puddy. He's butter, and the establishment is a really hot knife.

We need to take down McCain, and educate people on why this war is never going to go well. That's what we should have been doing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23073316/

 

[Dr.3D]

Probably few people really know why the "surge" is working.
You see, the "surge" didn't work at all, so they decided to pay the Iraq people not to fight with our troops. This is the truth in the situation over there and it seems the media is very quiet about what is really going on.

 

[Mystile]

we're a very dumb people. We will follow whatever our "great leaders" tell us. If some CNN or MSNBC anchor, or famous person tells us that the war is bad, we'll not support it, but then we'll change our minds just as quickly if someone would tell the opposite.

 

[steph3n]

Do people realize that even according to pre-war numbers of Iraqi population(it is down below that now due to people leaving the country) that 1 in 54 citizens of Iraq are in the Iraqi Security forces?

Do people realize that going by these numbers the city of Dallas would have just less than 100,000 police? That New York would have have over 150,000 police!

these numbers are insane, and this is NOT COUNTING our 130,000 troops there 'providing security' as well. The year end 2007 numbers for the ISF were over 500,000 strong TRAINED.

We are being sold a lie in every regard, they have the people trained, they have the needed military and police forces.

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

Never doubt that most Americans are fickle - you are completely correct on that. But in the polls that show 60 - 70% of Americans against the war, remember that those polls include people of all political parties and probably those with no affiliation.

Looking at it that way, consider that the country is roughly evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans, as national elections over the past decade or so have shown. That means the +-70% against the war are probably mostly Democrats or Democrat leaning.

Among Republicans only - the votes we've been trying to get - it's probably only about 20 - 30% who say they are against the war. I would guess that of that percentage, maybe half want to just end it now. Pretty much what the primary results so far have been giving us - overall rough average of 10 -15% of the vote.

As much as I don't want to see the country in economic turmoil, I think that is what is coming and it just might finally make more pro-war Republicans realize that we simply can not afford to continue with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, nor can we afford to keep troops scattered across the globe.

 

[steph3n]

McCain is seen as the "anti-Bush" since he was against him in 2000, that was encountered many times in New Hampshire.

In reality he is Bush and probably worse.

 

[JordanQ72]

it's not the war they're against, it's the war going badly they're against.

Well obviously. The pacifists were never all that numerous to begin with. The opinion, especially among Republicans, started turning negative when we went past the point where we were longer in Iraq than we were in WWII. Coupled with causalities and without a specific goal here, Americans don't want to be in Iraq anymore, not that they don't want to be at war. McCain has it dead on when he says it's not about timelines, but about casualties. The vast majority of Americans don't give a crap that we're technically occupying South Korea, Japan, Germany, Cuba, etc...

 

[Todd]

You'll find the answer somewhere in the realm of how the media has loved McCain for decades.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Cognitive dissonance is much more widespread and runs much deeper in the population than could have been reasonably hoped.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cognitive%20dissonance

 

[BFranklin]

If you look at all the states that had primaries you'll see the democrats get alot more votes then republicans. Republicans will not win in 08 unless Ron Paul is the nominee. THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT ELECT A PRO WAR PRESIDENT

 

[Elle]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23055166/

I don't see where McCain is surging. He got clobbered this weekend. The MSM is starting to dislike McCain. W. endorsing him doesn't help him, to me that pretty much was the kiss of death. People will now associate him with Bush.

 

[Janet0116]

Republican base just has no clue how small they really are.

 

[njandrewg]

yeah we forgot your average voter is a moron:

a) almost all anti-war voters voted for him because they think he wants to get out of Iraq
b) they still remember the McCain who spoke out against the other wars
c) the ads he ran in this state, only stated that he saw that the Old strategy wasn't working and he was one of the first ones who urged for a new policy. No it didn't say that he was urging for a surge, it left that a blank and made it sound like he wanted to end the war.
d) People see that McCain is running, they still remember him from 2000 campaign..too bad he did a 180 since then
e) when you get to pick between a douche and a turd sandwich its a suicide vote, you are screwed no matter how you vote.

 

[Matthew Zak]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23055166/

I don't see where McCain is surging. He got clobbered this weekend. The MSM is starting to dislike McCain. W. endorsing him doesn't help him, to me that pretty much was the kiss of death. People will now associate him with Bush.

Oh really... yikes... this went over my head. Good news... I bet Romney is kicking himself right now.

 

[yongrel]

Sadly, a great majority of our population isn't concerned with the deeper truths of war. They just want America to kick ass.

If America is not kicking ass, they are not in favour of the war.

If America is kicking ass (or they think America is kicking ass) then they support the war.

America deserves the politicians it elects.

 

[Fyretrohl]

McCain is seen as a 'nice guy' who is 'decent' as a leader. Not some angry Baptist Preacher from Arkansas <Do we REALLY want another Arkansas President> or that Kook from Texas. People are not looking at issues. They are voting in the Mr USA Pageant.

 

[steph3n]

Do people realize that even according to pre-war numbers of Iraqi population(it is down below that now due to people leaving the country) that 1 in 54 citizens of Iraq are in the Iraqi Security forces?

Do people realize that going by these numbers the city of Dallas would have just less than 100,000 police? That New York would have have over 150,000 police!

these numbers are insane, and this is NOT COUNTING our 130,000 troops there 'providing security' as well. The year end 2007 numbers for the ISF were over 500,000 strong TRAINED.

We are being sold a lie in every regard, they have the people trained, they have the needed military and police forces.

Everyone, read these numbers.

 

[Mystile]

If you look at all the states that had primaries you'll see the democrats get alot more votes then republicans. Republicans will not win in 08 unless Ron Paul is the nominee. THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT ELECT A PRO WAR PRESIDENT

so true, the pro-war candidates never win. Unless they can hide their bloodthirstiness sufficiently (Hitlery).

 

[Teenforpaul08]

If you look at all the states that had primaries you'll see the democrats get alot more votes then republicans. Republicans will not win in 08 unless Ron Paul is the nominee. THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT ELECT A PRO WAR PRESIDENT

Yes! Paul is like a hybrid of the two major bases. He utilizes the best of BOTH worlds: The Democrats position on ending the war in Iraq and the republicans postion on conservatism, limit. Govt., etc.

...Ron Paul is what America needs, not what they want (people don't want to take care of themselves, they're arrogant, and most importantly, they're ignorant), therefore, we cannot win.