Maui is burning

Thanks to Government, Maui's Lahaina Fire Became a Deadly Conflagration\
https://mises.org/wire/thanks-government-mauis-lahaina-fire-became-deadly-conflagration
Connor O'Keeffe (16 August 2023)

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To make matters worse, county officials failed to activate emergency sirens, leaving residents unaware of the danger bearing down on them. And as firefighters heroically rushed toward the flames to try and save their community, they found that there was little to no water pressure in the fire hydrants, which quickly ran dry.

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To review, a power company shielded from competition by the state placed electrical infrastructure among highly flammable state-owned grass fields above the historic city of Lahaina, which the government was twice warned were highly susceptible to fire. And once a fire broke out, a combination of defective water infrastructure, terrible communication by government officials, and only one escape route doomed the people of Lahaina to the worst wildfire experienced in this country in over a hundred years.

This was government failure through and through. [...] Government immunizes itself from the profit and loss system, and therefore from much of the need to weigh risk. Sure, some county officials may resign because of this. And the share price of Hawaiian Electric may dip. But the people of Maui will be forced to keep compensating the very organizations that have failed them. And there’s nothing natural about that disaster.

Maui chief doesn’t regret not activating sirens during wildfire: ‘We would not have saved those people’
https://nypost.com/2023/08/16/maui-chief-doesnt-regret-not-activating-sirens-during-wildfire/
Katherine Donlevy (16 August 2023)

The head of Maui’s Emergency Management Agency asserted on Wednesday that he has no regrets about failing to activate warning sirens as the apocalyptic wildfires swept through the island — despite claims the system could have saved hundreds of lives.

Chief Herman Andaya defended his decision to only send out alerts via mobile devices, radio and television, and the county’s opt-in resident alert system after his experience and qualifications for the lofty position were called into question during a press conference held by the governor.

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Maui Emergency Management Agency Administrator Herman Andaya RESIGNS after choosing to not sound sirens as wildfires raged
Andaya's resignation is based on "health reasons"
https://thepostmillennial.com/break...oosing-to-not-sound-sirens-as-wildfires-raged
The Post Millennial (17 August 2023)

Herman Andaya, the Administrator of the Maui Emergency Management Agency, has immediately resigned, according to an announcement from Mayor Richard Bissen's office.

Andaya's resignation is based on health reasons, and Mayor Bissen has approved the resignation, as stated in the official county announcement.

https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1692338255260172652
& https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1692339928313606473
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On Wednesday, Andaya faced substantial criticism and garnered global media attention after he expressed no regrets for the decision to not activate warning sirens as the wildfire approached Lahaina, which later led to the destruction of the historic town.

During a press conference in Wailuku, Andaya responded to questions from reporters, explaining that he stands by the choice not to activate the sirens.

He justified this by pointing out that in Hawaii, sirens are mainly intended for tsunamis, not for wildfires. He also mentioned that the public is accustomed to seeking higher ground during siren alerts, and he worried that people would go "mountainside" if they heard the sirens.

https://twitter.com/kristina_wong/status/1692321877287411861
Maui County Emergency Management Agency Chief Herman Andaya’s response that he did not regret not sounding the sirens on Maui — and the official who tried to step in and shield him from the reporter pressing for answers — is distasteful.

The public has a right to know what happened in Maui and what decisions were taken or not taken and why.


Governor Green and Mayor Richard Bissen had both originally supported Andaya in response to allegations that he had failed at his job. Green acknowledged that his own response upon hearing the sirens would involve anticipating a tsunami.

"Given the gravity of the crisis we are facing, my team and I will be placing someone in this key position as quickly as possible and I look forward to making that announcement soon," Bissen said.

110 have been killed in the wildfires, however the number of fatalities is expected to rise further in the upcoming weeks.

Growing worry revolves around the possibility that a significant portion of the deceased comprises children who were at home due to school closures while their parents were at work.
 
Health reasons.

He's afraid he'll tell the real reason he didn't pull the switch and get Clintoned. That's a genuine health concern.
 
Seen that a bunch of times.

Watch the video I posted again, more closely in the 1:27-1:35 area. I'm not talking about any of the other footages.
The other footages are all downed power lines and electrical fires that spread gradually.

See taking distance and size perspective into account how large that white flash is, where it occurs (back country Maui, they say)
and how instantaneously the entire area of the white flash becomes a fire. There is also a red flash that hits the camera, followed by
red lines that are vertical. No downed transformer, if even there, is going to instantaneously consume many acres of land in one second.
The instantaneous loss of power they mentioned in sensors is likely from EMP.
 
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Watch the video I posted again, more closely in the 1:27-1:35 area. I'm not talking about any of the other footages.
The other footages are all downed power lines and electrical fires that spread gradually.

See taking distance and size perspective into account how large that white flash is, where it occurs (back country Maui, they say)
and how instantaneously the entire area of the white flash becomes a fire. There is also a red flash that hits the camera, followed by
red lines that are vertical. No downed transformer, if even there, is going to instantaneously consume many acres of land in one second.
The instantaneous loss of power they mentioned in sensors is likely from EMP.

I had an hour long argument with Mrs. AF on this.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I am assuming your point is the same as hers: that an energy weapon of some sort was used to start this fire deliberately to bun these people out.

By whom and to who's advantage remains to be seen...anyone from billion real estate developers to the highest order of the global elite looking to build a plague hideout.

My opinion is that this is likely an incident where a cigar is just a cigar.

Even if it was arson for profit, why would TPTB expose themselves so openly, when one man with a jug of diesel fuel could have done the same thing?

In fact, that would not surprise me at all, that some environmental Marxist or just a whackjob, started this fire, like they did in California and Greece.
 
The alleged “wildfires” on the island of Maui were done by the numbers and most likely by direct energy weapons (DEW.) As we’ve seen in the past, building, cars, and even boats out at sea were on fire, while adjacent plots of grass and trees were untouched. That is simply impossible if it actually were a wildfire and it was “fueled” by winds from Hurricane Dora (as in Dora the Explorer, ah, the mockery.) A “wildfire” does not pulverize buildings and melt cars while leaving trees pretty much untouched standing in-between them.
maui-dew-fires-trees-untouched.jpg


https://bartoll.se/2023/08/a-quick-note-on-the-maui-dew-fires/

Mountain Dew (DEW) Maui Burst flavor
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and btw the Kelowna BC fire supposedly jumped across a 5 kilometer lake. at 1 am of course.
Kelowna declares state of emergency, evacuation orders issued as wildfire jumps Okanagan Lake overnight
look around the internet, you'll see recording instances of severe wildfires jumping across rivers, yes... but not 5 km lakes. per wikipedia,
"The lake is 135 km long, between 4 and 5 km wide."


https://bc.ctvnews.ca/kelowna-decla...dfire-jumps-okanagan-lake-overnight-1.6524568
 
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My opinion is that this is likely an incident where a cigar is just a cigar.

I guess garden-variety government incompetence and self-dealing just isn't "sexy" enough an explanation for some people.

https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/1692415162702053651
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Hawaiian Electric focused obsessively on renewable energy while only spending $245,000 on wildfire safety
- Hawaiian Electric knew about the threat of wildfires but waited for years to act
- They focused energy on renewables - only investing $245,000 on wildfire safety
- The company said it would investigate any role its infrastructure may have played in the Maui wildfires and would cooperate with a separate probe

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-energy-spending-245-000-wildfire-safety.html
[archive link: https://archive.li/RKbel]
Aneeta Bhole (17 August 2023)

Hawaii's largest electricity supplier prioritized its pursuit of renewable energy over wildfire prevention, regulatory filings show.

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Hawaiian Electric, which provides power to 95 percent of locals, concluded during the 2019 wildfires that it needed to do more to prevent its power lines from emitting sparks.

It vowed to conduct drone surveys to identify areas vulnerable to wildfires and determine how to help keep residents and infrastructure safe.

But four years later, very little had followed and only $245,000, between 2019 and 2022, had been invested on wildfire-specific projects on the island, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing regulatory filings.

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Though the cause of the blaze is still unclear, Hawaiian Electric is facing a bulk of the scrutiny for not shutting down power lines when high winds created dangerous fire conditions.

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Lahaina residents in one of the lawsuits claimed Hawaiian Electric is responsible for the fires after failing to shut off power lines despite warnings from the National Weather Service that high winds could blow those lines down and spark fast-spreading wildfires.

Several reports have surfaced detailing allegations that the company's failure to maintain its grid properly resulted in the disaster. Videos have also surfaced on Facebook which purport to show powerlines entangled with overgrown trees and vegetation.

Footage of a powerline downed during a storm has also emerged in the wake of the tragedy.

A video, captured at the Maui Bird Conservation Center, near Makawao, appears to show a bright flash in the woods at the exact time ten sensors recorded a significant incident in Hawaiian Electric's grid on August 7.

While the Makawao fire had nothing to do with the inferno that devastated the historic town of Lahaina, it was the first of several reported on Maui on August 7.

Whisker Labs, a company that uses a sensor network to monitor electric grids across the United States, told she Washington Post the bright light was probably an 'arc flash,' which happens when a power line 'faults.'

'This is strong confirmation — based on real data — that utility grid faults were likely the ignition source for multiple wildfires on Maui,' Bob Marshall, the founder and CEO of Whisker Labs, told The Washington Post.

PG&E, the Northern California utility giant, sought bankruptcy protection in 2019 after power lines ignited a series of major fires.

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Despite vowing not to make the same mistake as PG&E, Hawaiian Electric took years to take significant action on wildfires and during that period had focused their attention on a state-mandated shift to renewables.

The risk of wildfires has been known for years with 39,000 acres scorched in 2019 compared to 150 in 1999, according to data compiled by the Hawaii Wildfire Management Organization.

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In 2018, Hurricane Lane helped fuel fires that burned more than 2,000 acres on Maui, the year after, 9,000 acres were reduced to ash prompting hundreds of evacuations.

At the back of the 2019 fires, Hawaiian Electric released a statement saying it would install heavier, insulated conductors on Maui and Oahu to minimize the risk of sparks when winds picked up.

It added that it would install technology to detect disruptions when the conductors came into contact with vegetation or each other.

It also said it would apply fire retardant on poles in risky areas and consider installing cameras and other devices to monitor weather conditions during fire season.

Over the next two years, filings with the Hawaii Public Utilities Commission, which approves utility projects and spending, only heard of wildfire mitigation in passing.

Mina Morita, who chaired the state utilities commission from 2011 to 2015 said while 'there was concern for wildfire risk, politically, the focus was on electricity generation.'

[...]

'Looking back with hindsight, the business opportunities were on the generation side, and the utility was going out for bid with all these big renewable-energy projects,' he told WSJ.

'But in retrospect, it seems clear, we weren't as focused on these fire risks as we should have been.'

A 2020 management audit found [...] that the division which oversaw power line operations had 'significant management problems.'

[...]
 
That's a Falcon 9 launch. This is not a joke.

How can you say that it's not a joke and then link to a page that claims that there's a connection between the fires and Mountain Dew becuse Pepsi once had a commercial where guys caught on fire after eating hot wings?
 
The alleged “wildfires” on the island of Maui were done by the numbers and most likely by direct energy weapons (DEW.) As we’ve seen in the past, building, cars, and even boats out at sea were on fire, while adjacent plots of grass and trees were untouched. That is simply impossible if it actually were a wildfire and it was “fueled” by winds from Hurricane Dora (as in Dora the Explorer, ah, the mockery.) A “wildfire” does not pulverize buildings and melt cars while leaving trees pretty much untouched standing in-between them.
maui-dew-fires-trees-untouched.jpg

Sure they do...here's a shot from the "Camp Fire" in California.

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Utterly burnt homes, right next to dry evergreen trees, relatively untouched.

Wildfires hop, skip and jump like tornadoes.

They can leave one area untouched while incinerating an area right next to it.

Not to mention a structure fire is completely different and much more self sustaining than a standing timber fire.

Also, being Hawaii, I would reckon that any standing timber and vegetation would be much less dry than a California drought area.
 
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Thanks to Government, Maui's Lahaina Fire Became a Deadly Conflagration\
https://mises.org/wire/thanks-government-mauis-lahaina-fire-became-deadly-conflagration
Connor O'Keeffe (16 August 2023)

[...]

To review, a power company shielded from competition by the state placed electrical infrastructure among highly flammable state-owned grass fields above the historic city of Lahaina, which the government was twice warned were highly susceptible to fire. And once a fire broke out, a combination of defective water infrastructure, terrible communication by government officials, and only one escape route doomed the people of Lahaina to the worst wildfire experienced in this country in over a hundred years.

This was government failure through and through. [...] Government immunizes itself from the profit and loss system, and therefore from much of the need to weigh risk. Sure, some county officials may resign because of this. And the share price of Hawaiian Electric may dip. But the people of Maui will be forced to keep compensating the very organizations that have failed them. And there’s nothing natural about that disaster.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1692643740899250197
JUST IN: Locals estimate that the death toll from the Maui fires is at least 480, more than four times the total the media & authorities are reporting.

Why are they trying to hide this?

Locals are being forced to conduct their own recovery efforts and were horrified to find charred remains of entire families huddled together.

Maui resident Allisen Medina, who spoke with the Daily Mail, says the government is not doing anything to help.

“The Government, relief organizations, they're not doing anything.”

“We have the right to know what's going on. FEMA came here to help with the recovery [process] but we don't see them.”

“We're only 100 miles from Oahu which has several military bases. Why is the response so lacking? Why are they doing so little? Why is nothing else being done?”

“Why didn't they turn on the sirens?”


 

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1692663312809366001
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Hawaii Governor Planning To ‘Acquire Land’ After Maui Wildfires, Fueling Speculation: ‘Something Stinks’
https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/ha...es-fueling-speculation-something-stinks-mace/
Chris (15 August 2023)

In the aftermath of the catastrophic wildfires in Lahaina, speculation has been ignited regarding potential state intervention in the land that has seen so much devastation. Hawaii’s Governor recently hinted at the state’s intent to “acquire land” that was annihilated by the blaze.

A recent walkthrough by KHON2 News, accompanied by the Governor and federal representatives, revealed the haunting impact of the fire. The devastation was so vast that even recognizing streets became a challenge, prompting officials to use spray paint to identify them.

Authorities even reported that body parts are deteriorating upon discovery. The Chief urged residents to stay away from Front Street to avoid the horrific possibility of stepping on human remains. The street, once bustling and vibrant, now stands as a grim testament to nature’s wrath.

Addressing the media, Governor Josh Green, alongside the FEMA Director, commented on the potential plans for Lahaina’s future. “I’m already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land so that we can put into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or to make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to people were lost. We want this to be something that we remember,” Green stated.

“And Lahaina will rebuild. The tragedy right now is the loss of life… but we don’t want this to become a clear space where then people from overseas just come and decide they’re gonna take it. The state will take it and preserve it first,” he finished.

The realities of the scene on Front Street in Lahaina
Walking through Front Street showed the realities of the dangers and effects the brush fire had on Lahaina.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQIoWu19O5w



The rapid spread of the fire was highlighted by federal officials who detailed its merciless movement from structure to structure.

The wildfire has tragically earned a dark accolade, surpassing even the California Camp Fire to become the deadliest fire in the U.S. in the past decade. The remnants of the disaster continue to smolder, with trees and building interiors still aflame, releasing toxic fumes as seen in the video.

However, speculation has grown regarding what exactly Green meant by his comments. Some have wondered if the fire created an all-too-convenient opportunity for the government to buy the land scorched.
 
They knew.
In the aftermath of the wildfires that hit Maui in HI, people are turning their attention to a bestselling book on Amazon, called "Fire and Fury". Which alarmingly came out on August 10th, two days after the fire was first reported, and three days before it was even close to over. Hawaiians are questioning what's really going on here, and why are all these wild theories about Lahaina emerge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVOF-QUtINs
 
I heard the fires were started by left wing climate activist Robert L. Peters.
 
https://twitter.com/MattWallace888/status/1692928669067464993



“First let me start off by saying Lahaina is a desert climate and has been since plantation owners rerouted the water source to other parts of the island. Lahaina used to be a lush landscape.

The infrastructure has largely remained the same since its inception. This means a cluttered nest of wires and rotting buildings. We have fires every year due to fallen electric lines. This isn’t something new.

In my opinion, this disaster could’ve been completely prevented had they spent the money to upgrade to in-ground electric lines. Many have asked over the years but were told there was no funds to do it. It’s a lot easier to secure funding after a disaster.

At the very least, HECO (the electric company) could’ve cut the power a lot sooner. HECO CEO Shelee Kimora claimed it could’ve affected specialized medical equipment. This is crazy considering you can’t use medical equipment if it’s incinerated by a fire. Just another excuse to avoid accountability.

The state of the art “all hazard” sirens never went off. Herman Andaya (Maui EMA director) who was in charge of making the decision to turn on the sirens said he didn’t regret it. The next day he resigned due to “health issues”.

No cell service and no loudspeaker either. There was no warning of any sort. People were in their houses and completely unaware until it the fire was close. There was a fire earlier and the Maui Fire Department said it was “100% contained”.

The police allowed incoming traffic into the town coming from Kaanapali but closed the road off on the other side due to a downed line that wasn’t even blocking the road. This caused a gridlock.

Residents' water was turned off with no way to protect their houses. Firefighters ran out of water and were denied access by Kaleo Manuel (DLNR’s deputy director for water resource management) until it was too late. This unnecessarily put firefighters at even greater risk.

I am especially embarrassed with leadership treating locals like criminals. They immediately enacted a roadblock (they could’ve just closed the fire zone) and implemented a military-enforced curfew 10pm - 6pm. There has also been a near-total media block in the fire zone. This is unconstitutional!

Many residents believe they have been soft selling the body count and knew they were hundreds of bodies that they collected the first day. Most of which are likely to be children who stayed home, without any cell service or power. Rumors of them filling containers with bodies and stacking them up in non refrigerated buildings. I suspect they’re trying to keep numbers down until the news cycle is over.

Despite not providing aid themselves, they have made it incredibly hard for residents to help by blocking the wharf and turning away boats with local aid, they blocked the roads, FEMA has been confiscating pallets of aid claiming it’s not fema approved items and they are not trained to distribute them.

Maui’s Mayor Bissen has acted like a bully throughout this entire mess. Just recently he threw a fit and tried to close down the press conference after a reporter asked “how many children are missing?”

The people need transparency and accountability and independent reporters who won’t be bullied!”

FEMA was the same way after the Joplin tornado. Fortunately, it took them a week to get there, by which time shutting down the grassroots aid efforts didn't do a lot of harm.

https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1692958536085459174

 
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I guess garden-variety government incompetence and self-dealing just isn't "sexy" enough an explanation for some people.

Don't get me wrong, it certainly looks like something is rotten here.

I'm just not prepared to believe, nor have I seen any convincing evidence to the point, that this whole chain of events was started with space based energy weapons.

Some Marxist wrecking, tree hugger whackjob, with a road flare and a jug of gasoline, on the other hand...
 
I'm just not prepared to believe, nor have I seen any convincing evidence to the point, that this whole chain of events was started with space based energy weapons.

Sometimes Snowball is spot on. Other times he's a cointel agent's wet dream.

Did you know the Twin Towers were vaporized by nukes? Apparently when all that material that we all saw fall, which a nuke would have turned to dust and spread across Connecticut, was holographic.
 
Don't get me wrong, it certainly looks like something is rotten here.

Without a doubt.

I'm just not prepared to believe, nor have I seen any convincing evidence to the point, that this whole chain of events was started with space based energy weapons.

Some Marxist wrecking, tree hugger whackjob, with a road flare and a jug of gasoline, on the other hand...

Who even needs Marxist wrecking tree-hugger whackjobs with road flares and jugs of gasoline when you've got things like a stingy "woke" deputy director for water resource management, a dysfunctional electric company monopoly that's more interested in getting fat subsidies for "renewable" energy and "sustainability" development than it is in adequately maintaining its dangerous and known-problematic infrastructure, and a governor who's licking his chops at the prospect of all the land the state might be able to get its hands on?

On second thought, I withdraw the question - I just realized the former is an excellent metaphor for the latter.
 
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