Master Cleanse (maple syrup, lemon/lime juice, red pepper & water)

[MelissaWV]

Ya, cause, you know, I'm in the lemon and maple syrup business, and that's why I'm suggesting this to everybody

It is a miracle diet that cures numerous ailments. I wouldn't be surprised if it helps people with diabetes.

You're not the one claiming it cures diabetes.

You know what really helps diabetics? Eating fresh, good food in reasonable portions at rational intervals, and taking things like cinnamon to eliminate spikes and valleys in blood sugar.

Anyhow, massively off-topic. I hope someone doesn't wind up on this cleanse who has nutritional requirements it doesn't adequately meet. At that point, sadly, it'll be regulated out of existence just for Government giggles.

 

[dannno]

You're not the one claiming it cures diabetes.

You know what really helps diabetics? Eating fresh, good food in reasonable portions at rational intervals, and taking things like cinnamon to eliminate spikes and valleys in blood sugar.

Anyhow, massively off-topic. I hope someone doesn't wind up on this cleanse who has nutritional requirements it doesn't adequately meet. At that point, sadly, it'll be regulated out of existence just for Government giggles.

Well it is my belief that most disease is caused by diet, and over time your body builds up so much of element X that comes from said diet, that over time your body has a difficult time uptaking element X from the intestine because it is saturated so this might be one reason it ends up saturating the intestines and colon. Then even if you stop eating things with element X and improve your diet, it continues leeching into your system.

This diet is actually meant for people who are relatively healthy, but also it is definitely meant for people with crazy health problems that western medicine can't solve, and often helps those people because it helps put your body back in it's natural state by cleaning all that stuff out that is causing the problem. That is why you are supposed to eat organic fruit and veggies after you are done, so that you have a clean flora and whatever is lining your intestinal walls isn't leeching unhealthy stuff back into your system.

I don't know that it cures diabetes every time, but I would not be surprised if it has cured cases of it, and I don't doubt that it would improve life for diabetics if they chose to research carefully the diet and perform it carefully and properly while monitoring what is necessary, preferably with someone else who is highly knowledgeable about their condition who can help them.

 

[idirtify]

Dude, you're totally full of shit, literally, try the diet yourself and you'll see what I'm talking about. You probably have pounds of mucus and food throughout your intestines, you'll see that shit come out days and days and days later. It's not just the colon, I said in my post that you have 28 feet of intestines, so you clearly didn't read my post very carefully.

Well I may be “totally full” of fecal matter at any moment, but I guarantee you it will be excreted within a maximum of 24 hours, since it does not “hang up” in any corner of my colon OR intestines for any amount of time. If any such blockage does occur, it is immediately catastrophic to the environment of the GI system.

If you want to continue to contend that “pounds of mucus and food” can hang up throughout the intestines, please provide evidence of something more than odd-shaped fecal material which is nothing more than the result of consumption of high-MUCOID (no coincidence) and high-fiber foods and herbs.

 

[dannno]

Well I may be “totally full” of fecal matter at any moment, but I guarantee you it will be excreted within a maximum of 24 hours, since it does not “hang up” in any corner of my colon OR intestines for any amount of time. If any such blockage does occur, it is immediately catastrophic to the environment of the GI system.

If you want to continue to contend that “pounds of mucus and food” can hang up throughout the intestines, please provide evidence of something more than odd-shaped fecal material which is nothing more than the result of consumption of high-MUCOID (no coincidence) and high-fiber foods and herbs.

Why do I need to prove it to you? I already know it for myself, I'm just trying to give some advice to people. You are beyond skeptical over nothing.. it's fucking lemon juice, maple syrup and cayenne pepper.. who cares if you drink that for 10 days? Tons of people do it and they are fine, in fact the vast majority say it was a positive life changing experience that vastly improves their overall health and well being.. in the LONG term..

The first time i saw somebody use this diet was about 16 years ago.. this isn't some new fad, it's been around for a while and people who know, know it works.

Your 24 hour maximum excretion theory is pretty bullshit considering you are shitting solid material all the way through the 10 days of the diet without eating anything. You are shitting stuff that you didn't just eat in the last few days. That's a pretty tell tail sign that you are wrong. You'd be absolutely blown away if you did it.

 

[dannno]

Dr. William Donald Kelley, D.D.S., M.S.

If there were only one kind of pill that would help everybody, the cancer patient or otherwise, it would be "Okra-Pepsin-E3" made by Standard Process, Inc. It would probably do the nation’s health more good than any other one pill. It digests the mucus that coats the walls of many people’s small intestine. Certain foods, such as pasteurized milk and many cooked foods, cause the mucus buildup on the wall of the small intestine (raw foods do not cause this mucus buildup). The mucus coats the villi on the wall of the small intestine. The villi are like tiny fingers that stick out from the intestinal wall to absorb nutrients from the digested food, which is primarily liquid. The mucus on the villi blocks the absorption of nutrients from the food. Sometimes the mucus gets so thick and tough it is almost like a plastic film. Almost no nutrition can get through to the body. A person with a severe mucus buildup could take $1,000.00 worth of supplements a month along with a good diet and still get almost no nutritional value from them. He or she would be starving and therefore would want to eat more food including protein. That would lead to more of the pancreatic enzymes being used to digest the protein even though it could not be properly absorbed. When all the pancreatic enzymes are used up, there are none left in the blood to destroy cancer cells.

The okra is a very sticky, gooey, vegetable material. It tends to stick the pepsin enzyme to the mucus on the intestinal wall long enough to digest some of the mucus. The E-3 is a powerful tissue repair factor. It was originally developed for the patient with stomach ulcers or colitis.

If the Okra-Pepsin-E3 capsules are taken for a few days to several weeks, one after each meal (reduce the amount of capsules if diarrhea occurs), the mucus will gradually be digested. The blood can then receive more nutrients from the food, even if it is from a poor diet. Then, once a year, take the Okra-Pepsin-E3 capsules again for a few days or a week to keep the mucus from building back up.

http://www.whale.to/a/intestine.html


The lemonade diet does this, and much more. Of course you can eat regularly while taking the above pills.

 

[teacherone]

ya'll need to start differentiating between Type 1 diabetes and Type 2.

Type 1-- you got an auto-immune disease, your body attacked your pancreas, your pancreas, now dead, doesn't produce insulin, you gotta take multiple shots or wear an insulin pump the rest of your days. ain't no cure-- not even maple syrup will do the trick.

Type 2-- you're a fat fuck and need to lose a few pounds because your perfectly healthy pancreas can't produce enough insulin to reach all your rolls. lose some weight, change your diet, and get off the meds permanently.

 

[Ninja Homer]

Why do I need to prove it to you? I already know it for myself, I'm just trying to give some advice to people. You are beyond skeptical over nothing.. it's fucking lemon juice, maple syrup and cayenne pepper.. who cares if you drink that for 10 days? Tons of people do it and they are fine, in fact the vast majority say it was a positive life changing experience that vastly improves their overall health and well being.. in the LONG term..

The first time i saw somebody use this diet was about 16 years ago.. this isn't some new fad, it's been around for a while and people who know, know it works.

Your 24 hour maximum excretion theory is pretty bullshit considering you are shitting solid material all the way through the 10 days of the diet without eating anything. You are shitting stuff that you didn't just eat in the last few days. That's a pretty tell tail sign that you are wrong. You'd be absolutely blown away if you did it.

The master cleanse has been around in this form since 1941, and it was probably around in other forms long, long before that. How long has juice fasting been practiced?

All the fecal matter isn't just from the intestines. Once the intestines are cleaned out, and the cleansing organs are given a break from processing processed foods, then the ingredients from the cleanse help to clean out other areas of the body. Especially the lymphatic system, but a lot of other areas you wouldn't normally think of as well. When the cleansing organs get blocked up, the whole body gets backed up with dead matter, and that's what causes most of the modern "incurable" diseases.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

My 2 cents on diet in general...

There's a little truth in "cleansing", but it has more to do with fasting. Fasting for a day every week or two is actually pretty good for your system. (Unless you have a pre-existing condition that makes it dangerous).

Taking in the minimum number of calories (to stay alive and not turn anorexic) is also very good for you in the long run. Moderation is key. A balanced diet high in fiber and unprocessed (or less processed) food is all you need.

For extra health, some foods have advantages (a short, non-comprehensive list):

- Tomatoes
- Garlic
- Extra Virgin Olive Oil
- Ground flax seed
- A little chocolate.
- A little red wine.
- Raw or dry-roasted almonds.
- Well-washed spinach.
- Well-washed Fruits, nuts and vegetables in general (especially home-grown).

Avoid over-processed foods, especially meat products like sausages, hot dogs, fast food, hamburger (unless it is guaranteed to be single-cow source, Costco butcher shop is a good option), etc... Avoid hydrogenated (or partially hydrogenated) oils/fats in everything! Get some exercise!

 

[jsu718]

I will say this... I have fasted for 7 days before, just water, and have gotten exactly the same "results" as that of what people are saying they got from the master cleanse. Looking at things from the standpoint of someone who not a doctor but thinks logically and actually teaches science, the syrup is simply carbs for energy, lemonade is simply extra calories and flavor, and the pepper is just an appetite suppressant for those of weak will. This is nothing different than any other fad starvation diet out there. If you have less than 500 calories a day your brain will not function properly, and at anything less than 1200 calories a day your body will simply feed on itself. There is nothing about the ingredients that makes this diet work any differently or provide any magical "nutrients" that any others don't.

 

[Ninja Homer]

I will say this... I have fasted for 7 days before, just water, and have gotten exactly the same "results" as that of what people are saying they got from the master cleanse. Looking at things from the standpoint of someone who not a doctor but thinks logically and actually teaches science, the syrup is simply carbs for energy, lemonade is simply extra calories and flavor, and the pepper is just an appetite suppressant for those of weak will. This is nothing different than any other fad starvation diet out there. If you have less than 500 calories a day your brain will not function properly, and at anything less than 1200 calories a day your body will simply feed on itself. There is nothing about the ingredients that makes this diet work any differently or provide any magical "nutrients" that any others don't.

Maple Syrup
"The maple syrup has a large variety of minerals and vitamins. Naturally the mineral and vitamin content will vary according to the area where the trees grow and the mineral content in the soil. These are the minerals found in average samples of syrup from Vermont: sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium, manganese, iron, copper, phosphorus, sulphhur, chlorine and silicon. Vitamin A, B1, B2, B6, and C, nicotinic acid and pantothenic acid are also present in the syrup."

Lemon
"The lemon is a loosening and cleansing agent with many important building factors. The ability of the elements in the lemon and in the maple syrup working together creates these desired results.
Its 49% potassium strengthens and energizes the heart, stimulates and builds the kidneys and adrenal glands.
Its oxygen builds vitality.
Its carbon acts as a motor stimulant.
Its hydrogen activates the sensory nervous system.
Its calcium strengthens and builds the lungs.
Its phosphorus knits the bones, stimulates and builds the brain for clearer thinking.
Its sodium encourages tissue building.
Its magnesium acts as a blood alkalizer.
Its iron builds the red corpuscles to rapidly correct the most common forms of anemia.
Its chlorine cleanses the blood plasma.
Its silicon aids the thyroid for deeper breathing.
The natural iron, copper, calcium, carbon, and hydrogen found in the sweetening supplies more building and cleansing material. It truly is a perfect combination for cleansing, eliminating, healing, and building. Hence, supplements are not needed during the diet and may actually interfere with its cleansing action.

Blend a part of the lemon skin and pulp with the lemonade in a blender for further cleansing and laxative effect. (Note: commercially grown lemons may have had their skins dyed with yellow colouring and may have been subjected to poisonous insect sprays - be sure to peel off the outer skin if you cannot get uncoloured, organically grown lemons.) The properties in the lemon skin also act as a hemostatic to prevent excess bleeding and to prevent clotting internally should there be any such prevailing condition. (Don't worry - normal conditions will occur during the menstrual periods.) "

Cayenne
"Adding cayenne pepper is necessary as it breaks up mucus and increases warmth by building the blood for an additional lift. It also adds many of the B and C vitamins."

 

[jsu718]

Maple Syrup
"The maple syrup has a large variety of minerals and vitamins. Naturally the mineral and vitamin content will vary according to the area where the trees grow and the mineral content in the soil. These are the minerals found in average samples of syrup from Vermont: sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium, manganese, iron, copper, phosphorus, sulphhur, chlorine and silicon. Vitamin A, B1, B2, B6, and C, nicotinic acid and pantothenic acid are also present in the syrup."

Lemon
"The lemon is a loosening and cleansing agent with many important building factors. The ability of the elements in the lemon and in the maple syrup working together creates these desired results.
Its 49% potassium strengthens and energizes the heart, stimulates and builds the kidneys and adrenal glands.
Its oxygen builds vitality.
Its carbon acts as a motor stimulant.
Its hydrogen activates the sensory nervous system.
Its calcium strengthens and builds the lungs.
Its phosphorus knits the bones, stimulates and builds the brain for clearer thinking.
Its sodium encourages tissue building.
Its magnesium acts as a blood alkalizer.
Its iron builds the red corpuscles to rapidly correct the most common forms of anemia.
Its chlorine cleanses the blood plasma.
Its silicon aids the thyroid for deeper breathing.
The natural iron, copper, calcium, carbon, and hydrogen found in the sweetening supplies more building and cleansing material. It truly is a perfect combination for cleansing, eliminating, healing, and building. Hence, supplements are not needed during the diet and may actually interfere with its cleansing action.

Blend a part of the lemon skin and pulp with the lemonade in a blender for further cleansing and laxative effect. (Note: commercially grown lemons may have had their skins dyed with yellow colouring and may have been subjected to poisonous insect sprays - be sure to peel off the outer skin if you cannot get uncoloured, organically grown lemons.) The properties in the lemon skin also act as a hemostatic to prevent excess bleeding and to prevent clotting internally should there be any such prevailing condition. (Don't worry - normal conditions will occur during the menstrual periods.) "

Cayenne
"Adding cayenne pepper is necessary as it breaks up mucus and increases warmth by building the blood for an additional lift. It also adds many of the B and C vitamins."

The problem is that none of that is actually true.

Also, Grade B isn't any more or less processed than Grade A syrup, they are simply collected in different temperatures or different times of the year and therefore contain slightly different flavors and color. The nutritional difference is negligible.

 

[idirtify]

Why do I need to prove it to you? I already know it for myself, I'm just trying to give some advice to people. You are beyond skeptical over nothing.. it's fucking lemon juice, maple syrup and cayenne pepper.. who cares if you drink that for 10 days? Tons of people do it and they are fine, in fact the vast majority say it was a positive life changing experience that vastly improves their overall health and well being.. in the LONG term..

The first time i saw somebody use this diet was about 16 years ago.. this isn't some new fad, it's been around for a while and people who know, know it works.

Your 24 hour maximum excretion theory is pretty bullshit considering you are shitting solid material all the way through the 10 days of the diet without eating anything. You are shitting stuff that you didn't just eat in the last few days. That's a pretty tell tail sign that you are wrong. You'd be absolutely blown away if you did it.

You are making an exceptional claim; one that is not founded in any science that I am aware of. I would think you would want to back it up with exceptional evidence; evidence that not only supports your claim, but also serves your credibility. Do you not care about your credibility?

Anyway…I just did a little research into the master cleanse. While it appears that more than one cleanse is being discussed here, and the master cleanse does not use any psillium fiber, it DOES include lots of fiber. It claims to be a “liquid” program, but that’s a deceptive term. It doesn’t take a detective to find the solid food in the master cleanse. If you are to drink at least 12 glasses of lemon juice per day with at least 1 tablespoon of Cayenne Pepper Powder in each glass, it adds up to eating at least a whole pound of fresh peppers a day.

 

[idirtify]

The master cleanse has been around in this form since 1941, and it was probably around in other forms long, long before that. How long has juice fasting been practiced?

All the fecal matter isn't just from the intestines. Once the intestines are cleaned out, and the cleansing organs are given a break from processing processed foods, then the ingredients from the cleanse help to clean out other areas of the body. Especially the lymphatic system, but a lot of other areas you wouldn't normally think of as well. When the cleansing organs get blocked up, the whole body gets backed up with dead matter, and that's what causes most of the modern "incurable" diseases.

That’s not quite accurate. “Cleanses” can provide health benefits, but not for the reasons you describe. It’s true that the system is being given a break, but it’s not true not that the “whole body gets backed up with dead matter”. The only healing comes from no new toxins being introduced or produced.

 

[MelissaWV]

ya'll need to start differentiating between Type 1 diabetes and Type 2.

Type 1-- you got an auto-immune disease, your body attacked your pancreas, your pancreas, now dead, doesn't produce insulin, you gotta take multiple shots or wear an insulin pump the rest of your days. ain't no cure-- not even maple syrup will do the trick.

Type 2-- you're a fat fuck and need to lose a few pounds because your perfectly healthy pancreas can't produce enough insulin to reach all your rolls. lose some weight, change your diet, and get off the meds permanently.

I'll simply say "untrue" and leave it at that. The thread's getting derailed enough as it is, and I moved intelligent conversation on the subject to PM.

 

[dannno]

I will say this... I have fasted for 7 days before, just water, and have gotten exactly the same "results" as that of what people are saying they got from the master cleanse. Looking at things from the standpoint of someone who not a doctor but thinks logically and actually teaches science, the syrup is simply carbs for energy, lemonade is simply extra calories and flavor, and the pepper is just an appetite suppressant for those of weak will. This is nothing different than any other fad starvation diet out there. If you have less than 500 calories a day your brain will not function properly, and at anything less than 1200 calories a day your body will simply feed on itself. There is nothing about the ingredients that makes this diet work any differently or provide any magical "nutrients" that any others don't.

Actually you're wrong, lemon juice helps cleanse the system better than water. Cayenne pepper helps break up and remove mucus. Maple syrup does in fact have the nutrients that you claim that it doesn't, there was a discussion about that earlier in the thread.

You're saying it's ok to drink just water for 7 days, but it's not ok to drink a solution that provides all the proper nutrients one needs for a 10 day fast. You've never done the lemonade diet so you have no clue what type of comparison you would find between the two. I don't understand your reasoning at all.

 

[dannno]

You are making an exceptional claim; one that is not founded in any science that I am aware of. I would think you would want to back it up with exceptional evidence; evidence that not only supports your claim, but also serves your credibility. Do you not care about your credibility?

Ya I care about my credibility, anybody who does the diet and takes care to do it properly will give me credibility where it is due. Those who don't will continue to argue and be stubborn and continue to be wrong.

Anyway…I just did a little research into the master cleanse. While it appears that more than one cleanse is being discussed here, and the master cleanse does not use any psillium fiber, it DOES include lots of fiber. It claims to be a “liquid” program, but that’s a deceptive term. It doesn’t take a detective to find the solid food in the master cleanse. If you are to drink at least 12 glasses of lemon juice per day with at least 1 tablespoon of Cayenne Pepper Powder in each glass, it adds up to eating at least a whole pound of fresh peppers a day.

What kind of research are you doing?!?!


1 Serving:

o 2 tablespoons of freshly squeezed organic lemon juice

o 2 tablespoons of grade B organic maple syrup

o A 10th of a teaspoon of powdered organic cayenne pepper

o Distilled water in 10 oz glasses



...ya.... there goes that theory

 

[dannno]

Also, Grade B isn't any more or less processed than Grade A syrup, they are simply collected in different temperatures or different times of the year and therefore contain slightly different flavors and color. The nutritional difference is negligible.

You are correct about the processing, but incorrect about the nutrient and mineral levels.

Grade B vs Grade A: Nutrition Facts.

*Grade B has 8% RDA of calcium per 1/4 cup serving, while Grade A only has 4% RDA of calcium per serving.

*All grades of maple syrup contain the minerals: zinc, manganese, potassium, magnesium, iron and calcium. Grade B contains higher quantities of these nutrients, the darker the color the more minerals are present.

*The vitamins that are present in trace amounts in maple syrup are B1, B2, B5, B6, biotin and folic acid.

more nutrient facts: http://www.massmaple.org/nutrition.html

Maple syrup Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
Energy 1,093 kJ (261 kcal)
Carbohydrates 67.09 g
Sugars 59.53 g
Dietary fiber 0 g
Fat 0.20 g
Protein 0 g
Thiamine (Vit. B1) 0.006 mg (0%)
Riboflavin (Vit. B2) 0.01 mg (1%)
Niacin (Vit. B3) 0.03 mg (0%)
Pantothenic acid (B5) 0.036 mg (1%)
Vitamin B6 0.002 mg (0%)
Folate (Vit. B9) 0 μg (0%)
Vitamin C 0 mg (0%)
Calcium 67 mg (7%)
Iron 1.20 mg (10%)
Magnesium 14 mg (4%)
Manganese 3.298 mg (165%)
Phosphorus 2 mg (0%)
Potassium 204 mg (4%)
Zinc 4.16 mg (42%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_syrup#Use_in_food_and_cultural_significance

 

[Danke]

Ya I care about my credibility, anybody who does the diet and takes care to do it properly will give me credibility where it is due. Those who don't will continue to argue and be stubborn and continue to be wrong.

Besides weight loss, I didn't achieve most of the touted effects and results (that I could tell..). But I know many locally that have (~ ten of my acquaintances). I seem to be the oddball.

Not sure why the folks that want to argue about the MC don't just start their own thread. Every time someone bumps this thread with their MC story/progress, someone else comes along to derail it.

You have a lot of patience with them, dannno.

 

[dannno]

Besides weight loss, I didn't achieve most of the touted effects and results (that I could tell..).

How did you change your diet after?

 

[Danke]

How did you change your diet after?

I'm just saying what others (people I know) have reported during the cleanse. Similar to what has been written up here.

I already wrote of my experience. And like I said, they all had positive effects, mine were just in losing weight.