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I didn't appear to have lost a lot of muscle mass in 10 days, but at the end of my 21 day MC I lost 25lbs, most of which I determined was muscle (because I had almost no fat to lose) and my appetite was so non-existent I ended up only drinking about half of my daily drink mixture or about 32-40 oz. I even lost the desire to drink water and started to become dehydrated. I ended up in the ER within days after breaking the fast and then got to enjoy 4 fun filled days in the hospital. I'll elaborate later, I'm going to bed now.
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Here is the synopsis I sent to some friends shortly after it happened a couple of weeks ago. This was after doing the Master Cleanse for 21 days, orange juice for 2 days, vegetable broth for 1 day, some fruits and vegetable soup for 2 days, then on the day of the affliction I had consumed a bowl of vegetable soup, some bread, some fruits, then just like that, the following happened:
"I just scored 50mls or morphine!...
But don't get to excited unless you want to retrieve it from my urine. Actually I just got released from the hospital this afternoon (Thurs), I've been in since early Monday. I ate some dinner on Sunday night at around 5, started getting really bad cramps by 8, started violent and almost uncontrollable vomiting around 2am off and on and didn't stop until 8am at which point I was so dehydrated my legs began to convulse so hard that I thought they might break my knee joints and foot bones. I couldn't keep any water down. I had Carrie calls an ambulance while screaming in pain. They showed up pretty quick within 10min, put me on a stretcher, an IV, an hauled me in to the ER where I was put on morphine injections (in the IV). 2mls here, 4mls there, and a 10ml whopper that I really felt. They did a CT-scan after having me drink some contrast dye solution over the course of two hours. The scan revealed that I had a small bowel obstruction which is why nothing was getting through so it all reversed direction and came out of my mouth. They installed a nasograstic tube in my nose and down my throat into my stomach to suck out all the fluids then got me a hospital room to meet with a surgeon. The NG tube was fucking terrible, everything about it was very unpleasant. After surgery was not likely going to be needed I was released and instructed to immediately return to the ER if the symptoms came back. I was treated with Morphine for pain, Reglan I guess to counter act the inhibitory effect that Morphine has on the bowel and for nausea (which I didn't have as long as there was nothing in my stomach), rest and LOTS of .9% Saline IV's, it took me 2 or 3 days just to urinate again. My blood pressure normalized and heart rate slowed back to normal 120/80 and 50-60bpm(except when measurements were taken by a particular nursing assistant who for some reason caused both to spike dramatically, you can't hide anything from your nurse
). On that note, my sex drive was large and unaffected (more on that later).
Relevant history:
I was a very very premature infant ejected right on the edge of viability and spent my first few weeks, maybe even months in an incubator being fed with an IV. They fed me Emphimil or some kind of fake infant nutrition that I had a severe allergic reaction to and it actually caused some of my small intestine to become necrotic. I was diagnosed with Necritizing Entero-Cholitis (NEC) and was wheeled in for emergency surgery on my second day post utero. They excised 10in. of the necrotic small intestine and spliced the pieces back together only to find that 3 days later they had fed me Emphemil again and caused the scar tissue to become inflamed occluding the small bowel. I had emergency surgery again on day 5 post utero. to fix the problem again. Some genius thought that infant nutrition created in a lab was superior to real mother's breast milk, since nature and millions of years of evolution or the divinely inspired creation of God is obviously so inferior to the mind and brilliant manifestations of man and industry, this was the medical paradigm back in the early 80's.
I have not had any problems since then, that is until Sunday. The surgeon had no idea what caused it (without doing exploratory surgery), and I am apparently better now. However he very strongly suspects that it was brought on by a complication of the scar tissue involved in that surgery known as adhesions exacerbated by my vomiting and electrolyte imbalance or a non-mechanical ileus, I was somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15% dehydrated my muscles were all spasmodic and convulsing lumps of wood in a virtual state of paralysis. I was released but was forewarned to seek a specialist like a gastro-enterlologist to try and determine the cause of the episode.
Well, the next night after being released from the hospital I started to feel very ill again, extreme nausea. If I moved my head a little, or closed my eyes, or tried to talk I would immediately feel a strong urge to vomit, though I never did. This lasted for about 8 hours until I finally told Carrie to take me back to the ER. They gave me a shot of Zofran which helped with the nausea for about 5min then off to X-ray. I began to become even more nauseated and a pain started in my stomach. The X-rays and blood tests showed all normal, so they gave me another large shot of morphine and phenergan which did the trick...by knocking me out. I slept like baby. Although I have not felt really all that well since, in fact I feel like total crap, but I'm trying keep down food. As of today 2/9 I've lost 26lbs. Not to worry though, once I get my footing I usually bounce back pretty quick from things like this."
I have an appointment with a specialist next month, but my feelings are that this was caused by:
A. Adhesions from prior surgery exacerbated by a prolonged period with an empty bowel
B. Ileus (non-mechanical obstruction perhaps caused by a muscle contraction) due to dehydration/electrolyte imbalance exacerbated by breaking fast too rapidly.
C. Infection of some sort as they said my blood work showed that in addition to approaching renal failure, my white cell count was off the charts, as they put it, and an ileus can be caused by an infection.
Myself and the doctors were leaning towards B. or C. as the obstruction disappeared after a couple of days and adhesion would likely not just go away on there own. Curiously all the doctors I spoke with dismissed the idea that fasting and not eating anything for 21 days had anything to do with it. I was glad to hear this in a way because I thought the Master Cleanse was very enjoyable and a great experience. However, as a highly qualified pseudo-scientist I cannot dismiss the idea out of hand. I don't believe the MC caused any of this but it may have made a pre-existing situation rise to the surface.
I feel MUCH better now and am just trying to put some muscle back on. I have had almost zero urge to consume meat of any kind especially beef, though I have. I was terrified to eat anything for a week or so after I got out of the hospital for fear it may come back, but it didn't. I just reintroduced food very slowly, much slower than I normally would have, and I was fine. I am just now getting back to where I am eating normally. STAY HYDRATED. I have never had a cavity in my life, I take very good care of my teeth brushing and flossing daily, the dentists are always highly impressed with my teeth. In fact the last cleaning I had the dentist took some x-rays and while reviewing them muttered "astonishing" I asked what was wrong and he said "nothing, these are just remarkable teeth, no wear, no cavities, no degeneration of an kind, in fact I would estimate these teeth to last at least 400 years". Well during the MC I developed a tooth pain in my rear molar. At first it was only when I brushed (using a sonicare toothbrush), and was very painful like lightning shooting in my tooth when it vibrated. So I avoided brushing that tooth with the power on. After the MC was over and I was eating again, the pain has gone away when I brush but if I poke around the gum line on that tooth with a toothpick I feel the shooting pain again and it hurts when I drink cold water or something. I'm going to get that checked out soon as well. I'm wondering if this has anything to do with drinking the maple syrup sugars for that long or calcium scavenging from the teeth.
All in all the MC seemed like a transformation period. There was good and bad, mostly good though. Many perceptions I had, changed, here is a short concise list of things that come to mind:
1. fast food and drug commercials began to repulse me
2. seeing and smelling good food was very pleasing though I never had a strong urge to eat, the link between the senses and actually wanting to consume the food I was sensing seemed to be broken.
3. my sense of smell increased by an order of magnitude. All of a sudden I could detect the faintest smells, and let me tell you right now that EVERYONE has horrible breath, I was easily repulsed from across a room by anyone.
4. my eyes became more sensitive to colors particularly shades of red and yellow (hmmm, fast food restaurants take advantage of this mechanism).
5. I seemed to cease producing skin oils and my skin became very dry
6. mild insomnia
7. body temp dropped and I was always cold, especially the extremities
8. the usual mental clarity and focus thing was cool, I felt like a Jedi walking amidst a crowd of Jar-Jar Binks.
9. Everyone will tell you how much of an idiot they think you are and you won't give two shits about it.
10. joints felt very limber and loosy-goosy, I was gumby damnit.
11. Despite not consuming fats to produce hormones, my sex drive was unaffected or even slightly ramped. Not to say I wanted more sex but rather, I felt it became easier to be attracted to women in general, like my inhibitions were lowered. This is odd for me because I have very specific attractions to women and it's almost an all or nothing thing. During the MC it was all definite maybes
. My feelings of attraction towards women were extremely vivid, so get in line ladies, I don't know how much longer I can fight it off
. I wonder if this is just a hormones out of whack thing. I have a fascination with this particular topic as one might be fascinated by the politics of an alien civilization.
12. I had a strong desire to personally connect with people whatever that means, and I'm still trying to figure it out. Almost like a larvae that was now exiting the cocoon and trying to communicate. I can tell this one is very complex.
Now, after breaking and all the stuff that happened, the few pounds of fat that I apparently had (on face and torso) has not returned and I am slowly gaining back some weight in muscle since I have resumed working out to some degree. I still have some cramping in the gut after eating but it seems to be gradually disappearing. I was initially going to see if I could do 40 days, and I could have if I wanted too, but at around day 19 I felt that it was time to break soon. Not because I was super hungry though my appetite began to return, but more because I just felt that anything I was going to gain from it I felt I had already gained, and I began looking and feeling a bit emaciated, I also didn't want to lose any more muscle.
Let me know if you have any questions.
"I just scored 50mls or morphine!...
But don't get to excited unless you want to retrieve it from my urine. Actually I just got released from the hospital this afternoon (Thurs), I've been in since early Monday. I ate some dinner on Sunday night at around 5, started getting really bad cramps by 8, started violent and almost uncontrollable vomiting around 2am off and on and didn't stop until 8am at which point I was so dehydrated my legs began to convulse so hard that I thought they might break my knee joints and foot bones. I couldn't keep any water down. I had Carrie calls an ambulance while screaming in pain. They showed up pretty quick within 10min, put me on a stretcher, an IV, an hauled me in to the ER where I was put on morphine injections (in the IV). 2mls here, 4mls there, and a 10ml whopper that I really felt. They did a CT-scan after having me drink some contrast dye solution over the course of two hours. The scan revealed that I had a small bowel obstruction which is why nothing was getting through so it all reversed direction and came out of my mouth. They installed a nasograstic tube in my nose and down my throat into my stomach to suck out all the fluids then got me a hospital room to meet with a surgeon. The NG tube was fucking terrible, everything about it was very unpleasant. After surgery was not likely going to be needed I was released and instructed to immediately return to the ER if the symptoms came back. I was treated with Morphine for pain, Reglan I guess to counter act the inhibitory effect that Morphine has on the bowel and for nausea (which I didn't have as long as there was nothing in my stomach), rest and LOTS of .9% Saline IV's, it took me 2 or 3 days just to urinate again. My blood pressure normalized and heart rate slowed back to normal 120/80 and 50-60bpm(except when measurements were taken by a particular nursing assistant who for some reason caused both to spike dramatically, you can't hide anything from your nurse
). On that note, my sex drive was large and unaffected (more on that later).Relevant history:
I was a very very premature infant ejected right on the edge of viability and spent my first few weeks, maybe even months in an incubator being fed with an IV. They fed me Emphimil or some kind of fake infant nutrition that I had a severe allergic reaction to and it actually caused some of my small intestine to become necrotic. I was diagnosed with Necritizing Entero-Cholitis (NEC) and was wheeled in for emergency surgery on my second day post utero. They excised 10in. of the necrotic small intestine and spliced the pieces back together only to find that 3 days later they had fed me Emphemil again and caused the scar tissue to become inflamed occluding the small bowel. I had emergency surgery again on day 5 post utero. to fix the problem again. Some genius thought that infant nutrition created in a lab was superior to real mother's breast milk, since nature and millions of years of evolution or the divinely inspired creation of God is obviously so inferior to the mind and brilliant manifestations of man and industry, this was the medical paradigm back in the early 80's.
I have not had any problems since then, that is until Sunday. The surgeon had no idea what caused it (without doing exploratory surgery), and I am apparently better now. However he very strongly suspects that it was brought on by a complication of the scar tissue involved in that surgery known as adhesions exacerbated by my vomiting and electrolyte imbalance or a non-mechanical ileus, I was somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15% dehydrated my muscles were all spasmodic and convulsing lumps of wood in a virtual state of paralysis. I was released but was forewarned to seek a specialist like a gastro-enterlologist to try and determine the cause of the episode.
Well, the next night after being released from the hospital I started to feel very ill again, extreme nausea. If I moved my head a little, or closed my eyes, or tried to talk I would immediately feel a strong urge to vomit, though I never did. This lasted for about 8 hours until I finally told Carrie to take me back to the ER. They gave me a shot of Zofran which helped with the nausea for about 5min then off to X-ray. I began to become even more nauseated and a pain started in my stomach. The X-rays and blood tests showed all normal, so they gave me another large shot of morphine and phenergan which did the trick...by knocking me out. I slept like baby. Although I have not felt really all that well since, in fact I feel like total crap, but I'm trying keep down food. As of today 2/9 I've lost 26lbs. Not to worry though, once I get my footing I usually bounce back pretty quick from things like this."
I have an appointment with a specialist next month, but my feelings are that this was caused by:
A. Adhesions from prior surgery exacerbated by a prolonged period with an empty bowel
B. Ileus (non-mechanical obstruction perhaps caused by a muscle contraction) due to dehydration/electrolyte imbalance exacerbated by breaking fast too rapidly.
C. Infection of some sort as they said my blood work showed that in addition to approaching renal failure, my white cell count was off the charts, as they put it, and an ileus can be caused by an infection.
Myself and the doctors were leaning towards B. or C. as the obstruction disappeared after a couple of days and adhesion would likely not just go away on there own. Curiously all the doctors I spoke with dismissed the idea that fasting and not eating anything for 21 days had anything to do with it. I was glad to hear this in a way because I thought the Master Cleanse was very enjoyable and a great experience. However, as a highly qualified pseudo-scientist I cannot dismiss the idea out of hand. I don't believe the MC caused any of this but it may have made a pre-existing situation rise to the surface.
I feel MUCH better now and am just trying to put some muscle back on. I have had almost zero urge to consume meat of any kind especially beef, though I have. I was terrified to eat anything for a week or so after I got out of the hospital for fear it may come back, but it didn't. I just reintroduced food very slowly, much slower than I normally would have, and I was fine. I am just now getting back to where I am eating normally. STAY HYDRATED. I have never had a cavity in my life, I take very good care of my teeth brushing and flossing daily, the dentists are always highly impressed with my teeth. In fact the last cleaning I had the dentist took some x-rays and while reviewing them muttered "astonishing" I asked what was wrong and he said "nothing, these are just remarkable teeth, no wear, no cavities, no degeneration of an kind, in fact I would estimate these teeth to last at least 400 years". Well during the MC I developed a tooth pain in my rear molar. At first it was only when I brushed (using a sonicare toothbrush), and was very painful like lightning shooting in my tooth when it vibrated. So I avoided brushing that tooth with the power on. After the MC was over and I was eating again, the pain has gone away when I brush but if I poke around the gum line on that tooth with a toothpick I feel the shooting pain again and it hurts when I drink cold water or something. I'm going to get that checked out soon as well. I'm wondering if this has anything to do with drinking the maple syrup sugars for that long or calcium scavenging from the teeth.
All in all the MC seemed like a transformation period. There was good and bad, mostly good though. Many perceptions I had, changed, here is a short concise list of things that come to mind:
1. fast food and drug commercials began to repulse me
2. seeing and smelling good food was very pleasing though I never had a strong urge to eat, the link between the senses and actually wanting to consume the food I was sensing seemed to be broken.
3. my sense of smell increased by an order of magnitude. All of a sudden I could detect the faintest smells, and let me tell you right now that EVERYONE has horrible breath, I was easily repulsed from across a room by anyone.
4. my eyes became more sensitive to colors particularly shades of red and yellow (hmmm, fast food restaurants take advantage of this mechanism).
5. I seemed to cease producing skin oils and my skin became very dry
6. mild insomnia
7. body temp dropped and I was always cold, especially the extremities
8. the usual mental clarity and focus thing was cool, I felt like a Jedi walking amidst a crowd of Jar-Jar Binks.
9. Everyone will tell you how much of an idiot they think you are and you won't give two shits about it.
10. joints felt very limber and loosy-goosy, I was gumby damnit.
11. Despite not consuming fats to produce hormones, my sex drive was unaffected or even slightly ramped. Not to say I wanted more sex but rather, I felt it became easier to be attracted to women in general, like my inhibitions were lowered. This is odd for me because I have very specific attractions to women and it's almost an all or nothing thing. During the MC it was all definite maybes
. My feelings of attraction towards women were extremely vivid, so get in line ladies, I don't know how much longer I can fight it off. I wonder if this is just a hormones out of whack thing. I have a fascination with this particular topic as one might be fascinated by the politics of an alien civilization. 12. I had a strong desire to personally connect with people whatever that means, and I'm still trying to figure it out. Almost like a larvae that was now exiting the cocoon and trying to communicate. I can tell this one is very complex.
Now, after breaking and all the stuff that happened, the few pounds of fat that I apparently had (on face and torso) has not returned and I am slowly gaining back some weight in muscle since I have resumed working out to some degree. I still have some cramping in the gut after eating but it seems to be gradually disappearing. I was initially going to see if I could do 40 days, and I could have if I wanted too, but at around day 19 I felt that it was time to break soon. Not because I was super hungry though my appetite began to return, but more because I just felt that anything I was going to gain from it I felt I had already gained, and I began looking and feeling a bit emaciated, I also didn't want to lose any more muscle.
Let me know if you have any questions.
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That's one heck of a health related horror story I wouldn't want to experience myself, ever.
But I don't have any physical ailments asides some from an allergy or too. I hope I don't have a problem (heee)
But it is amazing how you've recovered, and it seems like the benefits outweigh the costs for you.
So a few questions:
1) About the eyesight, do you see a little clearer now as well?
Along with the help of increased attentiveness, do you spot out unique things and little more often?
2) There's no way I'm going to stay on an all natural diet, but I can eat healthy - whole grain, grilled meat including fish, raw nuts/peanuts, etc
One concern however, how will I be able to slowly get off the MC after the tenth day? What's the best course?
3) Should I expect to see some similar results in bodily performance gains?
4) Should I take laxative? Because there are some witnesses that say laxative helps. What about the salt water flush, is that a laxative for the MC?
5) I will hit you back with more later, got to run. THANKS
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I'm on Day 3 of the MC. I was going to check in earlier, but better late than never.
Well, let me back up. I'm really grateful for this thread and the path it's inspired me to start down. I appreciate the thoroughness of the comments. I think it's been a tremendous help in preparing me for the cleanse.
I've been re-reading the entire thread each day, and as I'm now on Day 3 and experiencing many of the effects of detoxifying, I can appreciate the little details.
Headaches have been bad, but expected as I was a heavy caffeine user. I'm also about 60-70 lbs overweight so I'm sure that's contributing too. Hunger hasn't been that bad, but cravings seem to hit me pretty hard every once in a while. When they pop up, I gulp down another small glass of juice and I usually forget about it in about 5 minutes.
Had the white tongue and the yellow mucus today. Pretty gross, and I take that as an indication that I'm passed the "point of no return" so to speak. Not that I would fall off the wagon at this point, more an observation that if I did, I could do some serious harm to my body right now.
Most of my family and friends think I'm a freak for doing this, although interestingly enough, they all seem to want me to keep them informed of my progress. No one has refused my offer to email them a copy of the MC ebook.
From what I understand, today was probably the worst day. I hope so. I actually stayed home from work today to stay near a toilet and because I just didn't think it would be health to add the additional work stress when my body is already pretty stressed.
(Note to self... don't start a cleanse on a Sunday).
Again, thank you all who have contributed for being such an inspiration. I'll keep you posted as this progresses.
Well, let me back up. I'm really grateful for this thread and the path it's inspired me to start down. I appreciate the thoroughness of the comments. I think it's been a tremendous help in preparing me for the cleanse.
I've been re-reading the entire thread each day, and as I'm now on Day 3 and experiencing many of the effects of detoxifying, I can appreciate the little details.
Headaches have been bad, but expected as I was a heavy caffeine user. I'm also about 60-70 lbs overweight so I'm sure that's contributing too. Hunger hasn't been that bad, but cravings seem to hit me pretty hard every once in a while. When they pop up, I gulp down another small glass of juice and I usually forget about it in about 5 minutes.
Had the white tongue and the yellow mucus today. Pretty gross, and I take that as an indication that I'm passed the "point of no return" so to speak. Not that I would fall off the wagon at this point, more an observation that if I did, I could do some serious harm to my body right now.
Most of my family and friends think I'm a freak for doing this, although interestingly enough, they all seem to want me to keep them informed of my progress. No one has refused my offer to email them a copy of the MC ebook.
From what I understand, today was probably the worst day. I hope so. I actually stayed home from work today to stay near a toilet and because I just didn't think it would be health to add the additional work stress when my body is already pretty stressed.
(Note to self... don't start a cleanse on a Sunday).
Again, thank you all who have contributed for being such an inspiration. I'll keep you posted as this progresses.
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That's one heck of a health related horror story I wouldn't want to experience myself, ever.
But I don't have any physical ailments asides some from an allergy or too. I hope I don't have a problem (heee)
But it is amazing how you've recovered, and it seems like the benefits outweigh the costs for you.
So a few questions:
1) About the eyesight, do you see a little clearer now as well?
Along with the help of increased attentiveness, do you spot out unique things and little more often?
2) There's no way I'm going to stay on an all natural diet, but I can eat healthy - whole grain, grilled meat including fish, raw nuts/peanuts, etc
One concern however, how will I be able to slowly get off the MC after the tenth day? What's the best course?
3) Should I expect to see some similar results in bodily performance gains?
4) Should I take laxative? Because there are some witnesses that say laxative helps. What about the salt water flush, is that a laxative for the MC?
5) I will hit you back with more later, got to run. THANKS
-Eyesight: I can't really say I see clearer, I don't wear glasses and have clear eyesight anyway.
-Attention to detail: Definitely. Before the MC it's kind of like your by yourself on a raft in the ocean surrounded by other people in other rafts. You talking to the other people, laughing, having a good time, not worried about anything, and not trying to get rescued, one big party. Then when on the MC, it's like you begin to drift away from everyone else until they are in the distance, and you realize you are now alone sitting quietly in your raft, listening to the sound of the ocean. You begin to examine the raft, your hands, the water, the sky. All that stuff you've drifted away from is now an afterthought. Not necessarily unimportant, just unimportant right now, you have the thoughts that you will return to it when you are ready, it will be waiting for you. Time slows down, you listen to your body, and mind, almost like a dialogue with your organism, and see yourself as a singular entity instead of just a consciousness riding along a stream of experiences in some sort of vehicle. It's like you feel the world is somewhere over there and waiting for you to return not the other way around. (did I mention I minored in philosophy?) Also weird was that I had a desire to cook exquisite meals but not to partake in them. I actually went and bought a frickin' coconut and carved the meat out of it just to make coconut milk to put on rice. Why? I don't know, I didn't even know what I was doing.
Performance gains: The trigger that made me want to do a MC was the reports of people healing chronic joint pain. I have had a pain in my knee for years due to some torn cartilage from a horseback riding accident when I was in high school. I was in a full leg brace and on crutches for 3 months my senior year. I was breaking a new horse, who in turn broke my ass, fairs fair I guess. I tried everything short of surgery to deal with it. Actually it is not that bad at all, I only feel pain when my leg is bent and I put a lot of weight on it. It just irritates me because my other knee was also injured but has healed fine, and I'm all about symmetry. I can't say now that the pain is totally gone, but while I don't consider it pain, I still notice it. I'm still testing it out, I haven't done much on it yet. It doesn't affect my running but I wonder if it was slowing my run times without me noticing, we'll see when it warms up.
I also broke my wrist pretty bad (almost a compound fracture) in football my freshman year in highschool. It would sometime hurt a little when doing push-ups, but i have not noticed the pain anymore after the MC, also I haven't done many push-ups either but it is a good sign so far.
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I forgot to mention the detox stage. The stages of detox that Lucius posted on page 3 is almost EXACTLY what I experienced to the very days. My initial detox lasted about 5 days. I felt like such shit that I thought I had a bad flu, I also took a few days off work due to serious headaches. Hunger only lasted 2 days, after that just occasional cravings for pasta and bread. I actually kept having a recurring dream that I was at a huge party baking bread a shrimp, but I never ate any, and somehow I felt very satisfied as if I had eaten some. Day 5 to 9 was pretty good. Day 10 I hit another round of detox and started up again with the coughing and mucus, fatigue and headaches. That lasted a couple of days then it was smooth sailing until around 19 days I felt tired, drained, and weak. I knew that I was going to break soon when it felt right, then day 21 I felt I was ready to eat again. So I started with the OJ on day 22, then day 24 I drank the vegetable soup broth I had made, and it was like sweet elixer. After about 10 spoon fulls of just sampling the broth and contemplating it, I felt waves of elation sweep over me, I felt a frenzy starting to well up but I became totally full on one bowl of liquid broth. I was intensely focused on that broth, I think I even felt my pupils dilate. Carrie later said she became emotional watching me staring at the broth like a child who was about to cry with pleasure after escaping some close encounter with death, I had no idea, I was one with the slightly reddish brown liquid in those moments...speaking of which.
The salt water flushes should be done when your system is cleared of solid waste, in other words when you don't give a shit anymore. I only used the Senna tea for the first 10 days, in fact I don't really even think it is necessary at all after you begin the salt water flushes, and could be harmful if used for too long.
The salt water flushes should be done when your system is cleared of solid waste, in other words when you don't give a shit anymore. I only used the Senna tea for the first 10 days, in fact I don't really even think it is necessary at all after you begin the salt water flushes, and could be harmful if used for too long.
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Haha, how can I be sure when I "don't give a shit anymore"?
Do you know where I can get a clear and concise strategy for the MC? Don't mention the book though, I wouldn't feel like buying it.
I would love reading the whole thread, because of the arguments coming from all sides, but, I'd love something very organized.
Thanks a lot.
And the post MC diet should consist of fresh orange juice and veggie broth, etc for a few days?
Oh and, would you consider the MC more of a spiritual conditioner more than anything else? It sure seems like it from your post (the water analogy and your child like expressionespecially... that was heavily deep!) haha.
Anyways, I await your (very helpful and appreciated) reply. Thanks again!
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Oh shoot, and I just worked out. I'll be sore on the day I start. Will my recovery get in the way? ( I recover a little slower than others, but in the long run I make the same gains as anyone else)
And, I think I'm going to start this thing this Friday (on the day of my most boring, stretched out and information heavy class...)
And OH!. Am I allowed to drink my jasmine green tea? It does have some caffeine in it, I believe. What about any caffeine teas to help the process? Like mint leaf and spearmint leaf teas? But I shouldn't drink anything that can speed up my metabolic rate, should I?
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Oh, and do you still horse ride? Or do you play polo or anything? If you do, and if you ever need new equipment and gear, hit me up and I'll give you great RP Revolutionary discounts. I deal with that kind of stuff.
Do you know where I can get a clear and concise strategy for the MC? Don't mention the book though, I wouldn't feel like buying it.
I would love reading the whole thread, because of the arguments coming from all sides, but, I'd love something very organized.
Thanks a lot.
And the post MC diet should consist of fresh orange juice and veggie broth, etc for a few days?
Oh and, would you consider the MC more of a spiritual conditioner more than anything else? It sure seems like it from your post (the water analogy and your child like expressionespecially... that was heavily deep!) haha.
Anyways, I await your (very helpful and appreciated) reply. Thanks again!
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Oh shoot, and I just worked out. I'll be sore on the day I start. Will my recovery get in the way? ( I recover a little slower than others, but in the long run I make the same gains as anyone else)
And, I think I'm going to start this thing this Friday (on the day of my most boring, stretched out and information heavy class...)
And OH!. Am I allowed to drink my jasmine green tea? It does have some caffeine in it, I believe. What about any caffeine teas to help the process? Like mint leaf and spearmint leaf teas? But I shouldn't drink anything that can speed up my metabolic rate, should I?
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Oh, and do you still horse ride? Or do you play polo or anything? If you do, and if you ever need new equipment and gear, hit me up and I'll give you great RP Revolutionary discounts. I deal with that kind of stuff.
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He means literally.
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Day 4
Headaches pretty much gone. Fortunately hunger and cravings have been almost nil today.
I feel... calmer... grounded... not sure what the word is for it. I'm more patient maybe. I also seem much more sensitive to smells. Someone mentioned that everyone's breath smells and I definitely notice that when talking to people. Even standing 5 feet away.
Today's been a good day so far.
Headaches pretty much gone. Fortunately hunger and cravings have been almost nil today.
I feel... calmer... grounded... not sure what the word is for it. I'm more patient maybe. I also seem much more sensitive to smells. Someone mentioned that everyone's breath smells and I definitely notice that when talking to people. Even standing 5 feet away.
Today's been a good day so far.
how about your breath? does it smell lemony?
oh and, did you buy all your lemons in one go? or do you buy a couple day's worth of them at a time to keep the freshness up?
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Interesting that you should ask that. I bought about a weeks worth of lemons on Saturday and today I had 2 lemons in the bunch, completely covered with the green fuzz. Just happened over night.
I'll probably only buy a few days worth at a time from here on out.
As for my breath... it's probably not pleasant. I'm doing my best to minimize by brushing my tongue and teeth every few hours and today I drank some mint tea.
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Haha, how can I be sure when I "don't give a shit anymore"?
Do you know where I can get a clear and concise strategy for the MC? Don't mention the book though, I wouldn't feel like buying it.
I would love reading the whole thread, because of the arguments coming from all sides, but, I'd love something very organized.
Thanks a lot.
And the post MC diet should consist of fresh orange juice and veggie broth, etc for a few days?
Oh and, would you consider the MC more of a spiritual conditioner more than anything else? It sure seems like it from your post (the water analogy and your child like expressionespecially... that was heavily deep!) haha.
Anyways, I await your (very helpful and appreciated) reply. Thanks again!
Edit:
Oh shoot, and I just worked out. I'll be sore on the day I start. Will my recovery get in the way? ( I recover a little slower than others, but in the long run I make the same gains as anyone else)
And, I think I'm going to start this thing this Friday (on the day of my most boring, stretched out and information heavy class...)
And OH!. Am I allowed to drink my jasmine green tea? It does have some caffeine in it, I believe. What about any caffeine teas to help the process? Like mint leaf and spearmint leaf teas? But I shouldn't drink anything that can speed up my metabolic rate, should I?
Edit again:
Oh, and do you still horse ride? Or do you play polo or anything? If you do, and if you ever need new equipment and gear, hit me up and I'll give you great RP Revolutionary discounts. I deal with that kind of stuff.
I don't really know of any day by day journal type accounts, I'm sure they are out there though, it would be interesting to read.
Here is a MC support forum that may be helpful:
http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=478
I think there is a link to the .pdf of the book on page 3 of this thread.
Yes I would say it was a spiritual experience for sure though I guess it could affect different people differently. I enjoyed it for this benefit alone. I'm sure I benefited physiologically as well, I cannot say which one more, spirituality is too abstract to quantify.
You will be fine with the recent workout but don't lift weights or anything that will break down tissue and require repair. Light workouts are ok, and recommended to help maintain metabolism.
There are some teas you can drink, like peppermint and senna, but most I think you are supposed to stay away from because they require digestion to some degree, which is what you are trying to shut down. I don't know what they are, you will have to consult the curezone forum. I personally would not drink any thing other than the lemon juice mixture and the senna (if needed).
You will stop giving a shit within about 4 or 5 days of starting the fast, from that point you can proceed with the salt water flushes (use sea salt, not iodized table salt).
I don't ride anymore because I moved away from my dad's farm years ago and just don't have the time anymore. Although he still has horses they are now mainly retired thoroughbred race horses, not ideal for riding since they are pretty high strung, rather than the Tennessee walkers he used to have. Thanks for the offer though!
I'll post a funny story about the MC in a while when I get back.
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Ok funny story. I have had an enormous amount of exposure to gun smoke over the years as well as some very aromatic gun cleaning solvents. The last time I had serious exposure to copious amounts of gun smoke was in the fall, and then the last time I used gun solvent was shortly thereafter. The gun cleaner I used is called Eezox, anyone who has used it knows it has a very powerful and very unique smell. I always use gloves and all that but I do inhale the fumes to some extent while cleaning. So months went by after any exposure to these pollutants before I started the MC.
My second round of detox that started on day 10 resulted in a salt water flush that was akin to being in a crowded indoor fireing range, olfactoraly speaking. It was the strong and unmistakable emanation of burnt gun powder, predominately Wolff to be more precise but it was a multifarious bouqet. The next day produced a slightly more subtle but still unmistakable essence of Eezox. There was no doubt in my mind that I had just expelled Eezox from somewhere in my body. It was fascinating.
My second round of detox that started on day 10 resulted in a salt water flush that was akin to being in a crowded indoor fireing range, olfactoraly speaking. It was the strong and unmistakable emanation of burnt gun powder, predominately Wolff to be more precise but it was a multifarious bouqet. The next day produced a slightly more subtle but still unmistakable essence of Eezox. There was no doubt in my mind that I had just expelled Eezox from somewhere in my body. It was fascinating.
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Wow. That's pretty incredible. I suppose congratualtions are in order
I wonder if 10 years of military training will manifest itself for me.
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