Mary the Queen of Heaven

[TER]

My Bible isn't missing anything. It comes straight from the Masoretic text written by the Jews themselves as well as the Greek New Testament.

The Masoretic text was written and compiled by Jews about 1000 years after Christ rose from the dead. It is slanted and been edited by the Jews. The Church, including Christ and the Apostles, used the Septuagint and it is the version overwhelmingly referred to in the NT. The truth is, you are indeed using an incomplete Bible.

 

[pcosmar]

You say it ain't what it is. and question my "interpretation".

God said Don't.

And I was a Alter-boy growing up,,and learned the "Hail Mary" before I learned much of anything else,, before I even learned to count.

 

[TER]

Here is Joshua and Moses bowing down before a wooden ark with statues of angels on them.

Pete, who are they paying reverence to in this picture?

 

[pcosmar]

Here is Joshua and Moses bowing down before a wooden ark with statues of angels on them.

Pete, who are they paying reverence to in this picture?

The Ark of the Covenant was given By God and was ,,at that time, his physical presence in the Camp.
It was not a graven image of Him. It was His Throne.

 

[TER]

The Ark of the Covenant was given By God and was ,,at that time, his physical presence in the Camp.
It was not a graven image of Him. It was His Throne.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit has entered into the world by Christ uniting His divine nature with the created nature?

Can the Holy Spirit sanctify and work through a created thing, whether a human, a wooden ark, or the bones of Elisha?

 

[pcosmar]

Do you believe the Holy Spirit has entered into the world by Christ uniting His divine nature with the created nature?

Can the Holy Spirit sanctify and work through a created thing, whether a human, a wooden ark, or the bones of Elisha?

I believe that the Holy Spirit enters into those who believe. That we are the vessels.

Not some lifeless work of our hands.

The LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the LORD drives you. "There you will serve gods, the work of man's hands, wood and stone, which neither see nor hear nor eat nor smell. "But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.…

The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

God Said Don't do it.

And again I ask you to check yourself,, because the teaching of man says do,, what God has said is DO NOT.

Very simple. No interpretations necessary.

 

[TER]

I believe that the Holy Spirit enters into those who believe. That we are the vessels.

Not some lifeless work of our hands.

Who constructed the Ark? Did it fall from the sky? How is it that the Presence of God was found in a lifeless wooden ark with statues on it which was created by the work of men's hands?

How about the bones of Elisha? They were lifeless, right? How is it that the bones raised the dead? Was it the dead bones of Elisha or the Holy Spirit of God which raised the dead?

God Said Don't do it.

And again I ask you to check yourself,, because the teaching of man says do,, what God has said is DO NOT.

Very simple. No interpretations necessary.

The problem is exactly your misinterpretations.

God said not to worship graven images. Icons, or images, are not worshiped. God is worshiped. The same way you might create an image of Christ in your mind when you worship Him. Are your worshiping your mind's image of Christ or the neurons which have made that possible? Of course not. So please, again, do not tell me that icons are worshiped. God alone is worshiped, and images can be used in our prayer life to help concentrate and focus our thoughts and prayers. Why? Because of the Incarnation. Because God has revealed Himself in the image of Jesus Christ and because the Holy Spirit is in the world. We can draw a picture of Christ and worship before it, not of the image we made but of He Who has revealed Himself and who the image is representing.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I believe that the Holy Spirit enters into those who believe. That we are the vessels.

Not some lifeless work of our hands.






God Said Don't do it.

And again I ask you to check yourself,, because the teaching of man says do,, what God has said is DO NOT.

Very simple. No interpretations necessary.

Not to be annoyingly repetitive, but this was more than adequately addressed in these threads:
This one on idolatry and icons- http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ighlight=icons
This one discussing why icons are not idols- http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-are-not-idols

 

[Dr.3D]

I know it's a big subject, but here is another reference pertaining to it.

http://www.ldolphin.org/PDFs/The_Two_Babylons-Alexander_Hislop.pdf

Just my two cents....

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I know it's a big subject, but here is another reference pertaining to it.

http://www.ldolphin.org/PDFs/The_Two_Babylons-Alexander_Hislop.pdf

Just my two cents....

I reckon this book is the most elaborate troll job I've yet seen. I am impress.

 

[Dr.3D]

I reckon this book is the most elaborate troll job I've yet seen. I am impress.

Here is another site with a better copy.
https://archive.org/details/theTwoBabylons

Originally published as a pamphlet in 1853, and expanded to book length in 1858, The Two Babylons seeks to demonstrate a connection between the ancient Babylonian mystery religions and practices of the Roman Catholic Church. Often controversial, yet always engaging, The Two Babylons comes from an era when disciplines such as archeology and anthropology were in their infancy, and represents an early attempt to synthesize many of the findings of these areas and Biblical truth.

 

[lilymc]

It has been a while since I watched this, but I think this is an interesting documentary.

This is important because even if nobody here does this, the fact is that millions of people around the world DO engage in idolatry, especially Marian worship. This is not just a harmless thing.... there is a deceptive spirit behind it.

This is long but worth watching...

 

[TER]

I know it's a big subject, but here is another reference pertaining to it.

http://www.ldolphin.org/PDFs/The_Two_Babylons-Alexander_Hislop.pdf

Just my two cents....

This thread has nothing to do with the Pope.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Here is another site with a better copy.
https://archive.org/details/theTwoBabylons

This book has a really Zeitgiest-y feel to it. Epic trollage.

 

[TER]

It has been a while since I watched this, but I think this is an interesting documentary.

This is important because even if nobody here does this, the fact is that millions of people around the world DO engage in idolatry, especially Marian worship. This is not just a harmless thing.... there is a deceptive spirit behind it.

This is long but worth watching...

Can't watch it here at work but will do so when I get home.

BTW, what are your thoughts about Joshua bowing down and worshiping God before the Ark? Was he committing idolatry?

 

[Dr.3D]

This thread has nothing to do with the Pope.

The book covers much more than that.

 

[lilymc]

Can't watch it here at work but will do so when I get home.

BTW, what are your thoughts about Joshua bowing down and worshiping God before the Ark? Was he committing idolatry?

Can you provide the exact scripture that you're talking about? I would like to read it before I comment on that.

 

[TER]

Can you provide the exact scripture that you're talking about? I would like to read it before I comment on that.

Joshua 7:6-11

 

[lilymc]

Joshua 7:6-11

I just quickly read that, and it looks like pcosmar is right. Joshua was bowing before God Himself. The ark was His throne. It is obvious that Joshua was actually bowing before God, because in verse 10 God speaks directly to Joshua.

I don't see how that example has anything to do with the idolatry that has been brought up on this thread. Or am I missing something?

 

[TER]

I just quickly read that, and it looks like pcosmar is right. Joshua was bowing before God Himself. The ark was His throne. It is obvious that Joshua was actually bowing before God, because in verse 10 God speaks directly to Joshua.

I don't see how that example has anything to do with the idolatry that has been brought up on this thread. Or am I missing something?

Was God in the Ark?